Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier

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McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start''cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

Now thats the straight talk express .
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Mccain is a true American. Would you risk your life for others? Can you survive 4 years in a enemy P.O.W camp? John Margin has done both and is always protecting America and it's interests, Just remember FREEDOM IS NOT FREE....OR CHEAP
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Mike wrote:
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start''cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.
When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.
Now thats the straight talk express .
I heard from a neighbor who was an naval officer in Viet Nam that McCain had his afterburner on without the blast shield up and ignited the plane behind him. This was covered up becuase his father commanded the Pacific fleet. He was immediately transfered off the Forestal. 134 dead, 161 injured. He was a goof off in high school and at the academy, fnnished at the bottom of his class destroying 3 airplanes and his record in the navy was such that he saw no opportunity to advance to the admiralty and chose politics instead.

The story above is essentially correct and should be investigated more fully. Surely some seamen from the Forestal are still around.
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Is this all true? True or not, last night on CNN McCain was interviewed about that incident, which included film showing his aircraft igniting and McCain himself scrambling for safety. Which is all fine. But, whether or not he was personally resopnsible for the inferno, what is heroic about jumping out of a burning jet on a carrier deck and running for safety?
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God sent McCain to that P.O.W. camp for 4 years to revenge of the death of over 150 US soldiers just as sure as God sent the Hurricane to New Orleans. McCain's punishment by God does not make him a Hero!
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If this story is true about McCain, then all of you people who was on the USS Forrestal that day and don't come out with this story, then you are worst than he is.
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Look up www.chinfo.na vy regarding the events in naval history on the USS Forrestal (CVA 59). Make up your own mind.
Mike wrote:
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start''cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.
When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.
Now thats the straight talk express .
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Look up www.chinfo.na vy regarding the events in naval history on the USS Forrestal (CVA 59). Make up your own mind.
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Bill -

It is obvious that you know nothing about which you speak, for if you had even the slightest clue, you would know that the A-4 Skyhawk did not have afterburners!

I love how you morons try to Monday-night quarterback these things as if you had any knowledge at all.
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I heard from a neighbor who was an naval officer in Viet Nam that McCain had his afterburner on without the blast shield up and ignited the plane behind him. This was covered up becuase his father commanded the Pacific fleet. He was immediately transfered off the Forestal. 134 dead, 161 injured. He was a goof off in high school and at the academy, fnnished at the bottom of his class destroying 3 airplanes and his record in the navy was such that he saw no opportunity to advance to the admiralty and chose politics instead.
The story above is essentially correct and should be investigated more fully. Surely some seamen from the Forestal are still around.
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well well, so we will see mass murderer and coward as the new US president. Well, then he is warmed up for this function. He must be best friends with Bush and Cheney...
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Webber wrote:
Look up www.chinfo.na vy regarding the events in naval history on the USS Forrestal (CVA 59). Make up your own mind.
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Please re-post the link.
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not presuming it to be true but I heard that McCain, while imprisioned snitched and gave up US intellegence is this true and if so why would he go around bragging about the time he was captured
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Geo tech: Everyone who is a POW gives up US intelligence. That fact is part of survival training, in part to reduce guilt when freed, to avoid reprisals from fellow prisoners, to help debriefing get to facts faster upon release, and to encourage prisoners to gradually release information mixed with real information to increase the chance of survival.
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The flight deck video footage of the USS Forrestal fire is a classic, and has been shown to every member of the US Navy during shipboard fire fighting classes. John McCain's plane is clearly visible in the video. If you knuckle heads would watch the film, you would know he had nothing to do with starting the fire. If there was something to your allegations it would have been all over the liberal press by now.
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http://www.archive.org/details/gov.ntis.ava19...
Watch the video!
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Although investigators could not identify the exact chain of events behind the carnage, they revealed potential maintenance issues including concerns in circuitry (stray voltage) associated with LAU-10 rocket launchers and Zunis, as well as the age of the 1,000 pound "fat bombs" loaded for the strike, shards from one of which dated it originally to the Korean War in 1953.[3]

Safety regulations should have prevented the Zuni rocket from firing. A triple ejector rack (TER) electrical safety pin prevented any electrical signal from reaching the rockets but it was known that high winds could sometimes catch the attached tags and blow them free. The backup was the “pigtail” connection of the electrical wiring to the rockets pod. Regulations required they be connected only when the aircraft was attached to the catapult ready to launch. The Navy investigation found that four weeks before the fire the Forrestal’s Weapons Coordination Board had a meeting to discuss the possible problem of a faulty pigtail delaying a mission while the aircraft was removed from the launcher. The board ruled that in the future the crew could ignore protocol and connect the pigtails while the aircraft were still queued. Though never made official, the crew immediately acted on the ruling. The inquiry found that the TER pin was likely blown free while the pigtail was connected and that the missile fired due to a power surge when the pilot transferred his systems from external to internal power. This incident also led the U.S. Navy to implement safety reviews for weapons systems going on board ships (whether for use or for shipping). Today, this evaluation still exists as the Weapon System Explosives Safety Review Board.[8]
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Personal account of the USS Forrestal fire, July 29, 1967
"I was the pilot of an A-4E Skyhawk on the port side aft. As I started my engine, I heard a 'whoosh' and I saw a low-order explosion in front of me. I didn't see what the primary cause was since I had my head down in the cockpit, turning on various electronics equipment. I looked up immediately and saw the two A-4s in front of the plane engulfed in flames and JP-5 fluid spreading pools in front of the aircraft. I saw a 1,000-pound bomb roll off the aircraft and roll about six feet back toward the middle of the flight deck and the bomb was resting in the pool of the burning JP-5 fluid. The flames were spreading rapidly moving with the wind on the deck. I began making preparations to exit the aircraft. I shut down the engine and at the time I had the impression that a 20mm cannon shell had exploded in the aircraft. I don't think this was the case, however. I saw one man covered with flames blowing toward the center of the flight deck from the edge of the planes and I watched him making efforts to beat out the flames on his body. Two men rushed out on my right from the starboard side of the flight deck. Two boys from VA-106 and another yellow jersey came from the forward end of the ship and the three men began to drag the man from the vicinity of the fire and take his clothes off and put the firs tout. The fire was increasing in intensity and spreading as the wind blew the fuel aft and in a few moments a large fireball erupted in the vicinity of the 1,000-pound bomb and engulfed my aircraft! I exited the aircraft over the starboard side and proceeded under the tail of the two A-4s on my right on the fantail and went forward on the flight deck just in front of a line of Phantoms (F-4Bs) that were spotted along the starboard side.
"I saw two of the pilots to my left, while I was still in my plane, still in theirs. One had his canopy closed and the other one, I'm not sure. I went about one or two hundred feet when a very large blast knocked me up against the side of the fighter on my right. I regained my feet and continued on my way past number four elevator and was going around a Vigilante (RA-5C) when another explosion knocked me to my knees. I got up and continued forward and went around the aft of the island. When I observed the first explosion, I saw two men who were running aft with fire hoses taking the full blast. I believe they were killed instantly. After reaching the relative safety of the starboard side of the island, I observed a very badly burned man being helped by another injured man. I helped take the badly burned man down to the first deck. Two other men then took the burned man forward to sick bay and I reported to the ready room."

Statement from LCdr. Robert "Bo" Browning, a member of VA-106 deployed aboard USS Forrestal (CVA 59). Text and photos courtesy of the National Museum of Naval Aviation Library, Pensacola, Florida.

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John McCain was hit by shrapnel as he jumped out of his plane.

http://www.news.navy.mil/media/allhands/acrob...

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As McCain's fuel tank exploded his plane became a flaming fireball. He managed to open the canopy and crawl out on the nose, and jumped ten feet into the flaming inferno setting his flight suit on fire. At that time one of the thousand pound bombs that had been knocked loose from his A-4 exploded, sending small pieces of hot shrapnel into his legs and chest.

An officer from the USS Oriskany requested volunteers for combat duty aboard his ship. They had lost a number of pilots and were undermanned. McCain signed up immediately. The Oriskany had suffered a terrible disaster at sea when a magnesium flare ignited a blaze which very nearly destroyed the ship. 44 men were killed, and they were also suffering from high combat loses. On Sept. 30, 1967, McCain requested immediate duty on the Oriskany.The Oriskany during Operation Rolling Thunder lost 38 pilots and 60 aircraft. In 1967 alone one third of the squadrons pilots were either killed or captured. Of the 60 planes lost 29 were A-4s.
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I spoke at length to one of the Navy photographers responsible for filming the aftermath of the fire on the USS Forrestal.
It's a shocking and harrowing story to hear from somebody who actually lived it. By his account McCain was indeed transported that night from the ship, presumably to protect him from the other crew members. There is no way he did it intentionally of course... but if he was responsible it is indeed disgraceful for him to use the incident in his biography as he did this evening during the open film of the RNC.
It makes sense other naval personnel don't come forward about it... most of them are dead and the others recognized it was an accident and that McCain must have suffered much for it personally... that, and you don't turn on family... especially after securing his honor by not going home when he had the chance as a POW.
It's too bad he want's to continue the war (or more importantly won't acknowledge it was a mistake) and Palin wants to teach our kids that dinosaurs were Jesus-Horses... because other than that they just might have my vote.

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