Lessons From Health Bill Apply to Fin...

Lessons From Health Bill Apply to Financial Reform

There are 25 comments on the WJXX story from May 1, 2010, titled Lessons From Health Bill Apply to Financial Reform. In it, WJXX reports that:

Bye, bye, Mr. Nice Guy. After pursuing bipartisan talks for months on health care and deflecting rather than challenging Republican critics, President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are deploying a more aggressive approach in their attempt to push financial overhaul legislation through the Senate.

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“Make America Great Again”

Since: Jun 07

Bring Obama Back!

#1 May 1, 2010
Health Care Reform taught the racist right-wing tea-baggers a very valuable lesion… never bet against Black, LOL.

“President DOWNGRADE..Ha Ha Ha!”

Since: Sep 09

Longwood, FL

#3 May 1, 2010
If the problem is banks are TOO BIG to Fail, Why isn't an Adult stepping in and telling the A-Hole Oboingo and his Donkeycrats TO BREAK THEM UP.

Too Big to Fail? BREAK THE UP!

Why won't the A-Hole do it?$1 Million from Goldman Sachs and a history of taking their money since 2006!

“President DOWNGRADE..Ha Ha Ha!”

Since: Sep 09

Longwood, FL

#4 May 1, 2010
Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $1,591,395

Goldman Sachs $994,795

Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

http://images.opensecrets.org/obama_top_contr...

“President DOWNGRADE..Ha Ha Ha!”

Since: Sep 09

Longwood, FL

#5 May 1, 2010
Obama meets sectretly with Goldman Sachs

Obama interviewed by Brokaw at private Goldman Sachs dinner last year.

By Lynn Sweet
on October 7, 2008 2:39 AM |

WASHINGTON--On May 3, 2007, Barack Obama attended an event at the Museum of Modern Art in Manhattan that was not on his public schedule and is only now surfacing--a private dinner for Goldman Sachs traders with a discussion on issues moderated for the Wall Street firm by NBC's Tom Brokaw.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obama...

“President DOWNGRADE..Ha Ha Ha!”

Since: Sep 09

Longwood, FL

#6 May 1, 2010
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Health Care Reform taught the racist right-wing tea-baggers a very valuable lesion… never bet against Black, LOL.
Health care taught the American voter than Obama is an A-Hole that hid backroom deals and LIED straight through his rotten teeth.

His Poll numbers show it too.

The Gov Auditor report even showed Obama was a Liar and his plan INCREASES THE NATIONAL DEBT!

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#7 May 1, 2010
It's about time. There is no downside to kicking the Rethuglicans to the curb on any measure laid forth in congress.

They will say "no" anyway, so what's the point of wasting breath. It looks as though all you have to do is threaten to bring out the cots for an all-nighter, order cheap pizza, and the Rethugs run for the hills.

They have no stomach for governing, or really working, they should just collect welfare and scurry back into the woodwork.
Cranky Old Man

United States

#8 May 1, 2010
So what if Obama blames everybody else and lies about everything. Can't the people in this country take a joke anymore?

Since: Apr 10

Cedar Rapids, IA

#9 May 1, 2010
My God, every left-wing freak should subscribe to this sh!t news organization.
Wartime

Atlanta, GA

#10 May 1, 2010
the Messiah wrote:
Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors
University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835
http://images.opensecrets.org/obama_top_contr...
And here are the major union and big business dem donors....
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $41,945,511
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $31,544,407
Goldman Sachs $31,544,275
American Assn for Justice $31,425,529 TRIAL LAWYERS
National Education Assn $30,162,867
Laborers Union $28,993,900
Teamsters Union $27,992,624
Service Employees International Union $27,933,232
Carpenters & Joiners Union $27,768,183
Citigroup Inc $27,150,883
Communications Workers of America $27,047,896
American Federation of Teachers $26,285,941
United Auto Workers $25,775,002
Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $25,205,277
United Food & Commercial Workers Union $24,216,183
EMILY's List $21,323,348
Time Warner $20,092,880
Microsoft Corp $20,072,830
JPMorgan Chase & Co $19,994,097
National Assn of Letter Carriers $19,408,684
AFL-CIO $18,177,346
General Electric $18,019,219
Sheet Metal Workers Union $17,027,913
American Hospital Assn $16,489,791
Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $16,378,601 Operating Engineers Union 85%
International Assn of Fire Fighters $15,962,143
Air Line Pilots Assn $15,782,527
United Transportation Union $13,677,945
United Steelworkers $13,633,751
Ironworkers Union $13,303,075
American Postal Workers Union $12,113,973
National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $12,054,671
Walt Disney Co $10,986,548
Natl Active & Retired Fed Employees Assn $10,496,000
Human Rights Campaign $10,079,210
Freddie Mac $9,872,490
AIG $9,774,062
MetLife Inc $9,541,442
National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $9,237,499
National Cmte for an Effective Congress $8,707,940
Seafarers International Union $8,295,144
Marine Engineers Beneficial Assn $7,435,127
Vivendi $4,509,240

And as to Wall Street...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/276...
"Of the $10.6 million the industry has given to sitting senators in 2008, more than $7.7 million has gone to Democrats."
Wartime

Atlanta, GA

#11 May 1, 2010
the Messiah wrote:
<quoted text>
Health care taught the American voter than Obama is an A-Hole that hid backroom deals and LIED straight through his rotten teeth.
His Poll numbers show it too.
The Gov Auditor report even showed Obama was a Liar and his plan INCREASES THE NATIONAL DEBT!
It should have also taught them about the dems' utter lack of bipartisanship (which should've been evident when the dems included their 10-year wish list of waste in their stimulus bill because Bush would've vetoed all of it).

The democrats have selfishly, partisanly, and intentionally written all legislation (as well as outsourcing it to radical DC groups) and rejected almost every republican amendment and republican input on every bill since Omumba took office. During the behind-closed-door healthtax-and-control meetings, Chris Dodd was even quoted as saying that the dems were instructed not to accept any republican input.

The dems were adding amendments at 3 AM, convening to vote with short notice, imposing Pelosi's gag rule to stifle debate, and ramming through legislation without providing bills in electronic format or with sufficient time to be read or reviewed, including amendments. It's dishonest, disingenuous, and deceitful.

Here are two videos of that democrat-issued 300 page amendment added at 3:00 AM that wasn't provided in any format for review, just before the dems called for a vote:

Where's the Bill - Part 1?


Where's the Bill - Part 2?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[continues...]
Wartime

Atlanta, GA

#13 May 1, 2010
[continued 3 of 3...]

The Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization (SCHIP): Speaker Pelosi couldn’t wait on this one either, although the deadline for reauthorization was still two months away.

The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act: Lilly was peddled as covering decades-old wage discrimination cases, but after waiting 20 years, Congress couldn’t wait one more day to let Members actually read the thing. The bill is still stuck in the Senate Committee

The Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009: No excuses at all on this one. They just didn’t want the details known.

The Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009: This one has been languishing since last October, but we suddenly had to pass it that day.

The AIG Bonus Tax Act: This had to get through right then, don’t mind the details, we just had to go after those bonuses. Only when we read what passed after the fact, the bill contained waivers for all of the same executives the bill was supposed to reign in, many with curiously close ties to Treasury Secretary and tax cheat Tim Geithner.

The Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009: No rush whatever on this one time-wise, the Democrats just didn’t want people talking about the hundreds of billions given to foreign banks that should have gone to our troops.

The American Clean Energy and Security Act/National Cap-and-Trade Energy Tax:
No excuse was offered on this one, the Speaker just didn’t want anybody reading Henry Waxman’s 300 page amendment he sneaked in overnight before we were forced to vote. Three weeks later, the Senate shows no intention of taking up the bill before the opening day of dove season, if then.

There’s a reason all these bills are listed. The list constitutes every major policy bill undertaken by Congress this year. House Democrats are not just waiving the three-day rule -- they have destroyed it, and are intentionally pushing their agenda to the floor with blindfolds on the media and the public.

This constitutes an astonishing and chilling acceleration of the assault on representative democracy that began in earnest this January.

Representative democracy works when a U.S. Representative listens to the input of their constituents, and votes the way the majority of their district would vote. Only a Representative can’t listen if no one has ever seen the bill, or had time to provide input. They have to vote blind, which for too many, is voting the way their leadership tells them.

This is what Republican House Members were going to the floor to say Monday night. We were set to decry the loss of openness in the House.

Instead, we were met with a slammed door by Democrats, who are now committed to burying truth along with democracy.

The Democrats are the majority -- for now. They chose to silence debate on the floor by gagging House Republican Members from using their historical right to speak after the close of the day. But they cannot stop us from speaking outside the halls of Congress and letting the American public know the truth about their ongoing attack against the very foundations of a free Republic.

__________

Mr. Carter, a Republican, represents the 31st District of Texas in the U.S. House of Representatives.
__________
Wartime

Atlanta, GA

#12 May 1, 2010
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http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.ph...

Pelosi Censors Republicans, by Rep. John Carter, 07/16/2009

Monday night Democrats voted to shut down the U.S. House Representatives rather than allow a handful of Republican Congressmen to speak on the floor. What could have been so offensive or frightening about our discourse that Speaker Pelosi felt she had to protect her party by gagging free speech in the House?

In fact, we had planned to speak on the lack of transparency of the House since Democrats took control. We had planned to criticize Speaker Pelosi for repeatedly denying Members, the media, and the public to right to read legislation before it was voted on. We were set to discuss House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s statement last week that if his Members were required to read the Democrats’ healthcare reform package before it was voted on, it would fail.

So the Speaker obviously feels that if the public is truly aware of her party’s agenda, they will reject it. She is now making sure the public is kept in the dark by trampling the centuries-old democratic traditions of the House.

What are those traditions? Every day that the House is in session, following the final vote of the day, representatives are allowed the privilege of free speech on the House floor in what is known as “Special Orders.” They may speak for one minute, five minutes, or one hour segments, and must request their time in advance. Time is allocated equally to both parties on a first-come basis.

Since the advent of live C-SPAN coverage of the House, this has provided a national televised outlet for both Republicans and Democrats to speak to the nation on topics they feel were not adequately addressed during regular order in the House, during which the Democrat majority has the parliamentary ability to limit debate and speeches.

Special Orders therefore frequently serves as a political safety valve if the party in the majority becomes too dictatorial during debate, using their majority status to truly oppress the minority’s ability to debate and offer amendments.

That is now the case in the House, with the Democrat majority under Pelosi repeatedly rejecting House rules to ram a far-left agenda through before the public has time to learn what is actually in the bills.

This is what we were committed to bring to public light.

House rules require a bill be publicly posted for three days before it can be voted on. That basic rule was written by none other than Thomas Jefferson as part of the original rules package of the House, as it is essential to the survival of representative democracy.

The House can waive that rule if it chooses on specific occasions. The Republican-controlled House chose to waive it when considering the Patriot Act in 2001 following the terror attacks of 9-11. They thought there was enough of a national defense emergency to just bring the bill to the floor for a vote.

But Nancy Pelosi and her House Democrats have chosen to ignore the rule on every major issue taken up by the House this year, including:

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act - The Obama Stimulus: This one just had to pass that very day because time was a-wastin’ in getting those new jobs coming. We couldn’t wait for Members to read it. But then the President waited four days to sign it into law while he spent the weekend in Chicago, and months later none of the new jobs have come into existence.

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“President DOWNGRADE..Ha Ha Ha!”

Since: Sep 09

Longwood, FL

#14 May 1, 2010
Wartime wrote:
<quoted text>
And here are the major union and big business dem donors....
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $41,945,511
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $31,544,407
Goldman Sachs $31,544,275
American Assn for Justice $31,425,529 TRIAL LAWYERS
National Education Assn $30,162,867
Laborers Union $28,993,900
Teamsters Union $27,992,624
Service Employees International Union $27,933,232
Carpenters & Joiners Union $27,768,183
Citigroup Inc $27,150,883
Communications Workers of America $27,047,896
American Federation of Teachers $26,285,941
United Auto Workers $25,775,002
Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $25,205,277
United Food & Commercial Workers Union $24,216,183
EMILY's List $21,323,348
Time Warner $20,092,880
Microsoft Corp $20,072,830
JPMorgan Chase & Co $19,994,097
National Assn of Letter Carriers $19,408,684
AFL-CIO $18,177,346
General Electric $18,019,219
Sheet Metal Workers Union $17,027,913
American Hospital Assn $16,489,791
Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $16,378,601 Operating Engineers Union 85%
International Assn of Fire Fighters $15,962,143
Air Line Pilots Assn $15,782,527
United Transportation Union $13,677,945
United Steelworkers $13,633,751
Ironworkers Union $13,303,075
American Postal Workers Union $12,113,973
National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $12,054,671
Walt Disney Co $10,986,548
Natl Active & Retired Fed Employees Assn $10,496,000
Human Rights Campaign $10,079,210
Freddie Mac $9,872,490
AIG $9,774,062
MetLife Inc $9,541,442
National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $9,237,499
National Cmte for an Effective Congress $8,707,940
Seafarers International Union $8,295,144
Marine Engineers Beneficial Assn $7,435,127
Vivendi $4,509,240
And as to Wall Street...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/276...
"Of the $10.6 million the industry has given to sitting senators in 2008, more than $7.7 million has gone to Democrats."
Obama is the worst president since carter and as/or more deceitful than nixon.

He can't help but LIE, LIE, LIE and it's flowed over into GM with their CEO coordinating a LIE with the WH on the Gov Bail out!

THEY DID NOT PAY IT PACK! Only 10% was paid back!

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#15 May 1, 2010
It's about time President Obama quit wasting time trying to reason with Republicans. There's no good reason to be nice to people who petulantly refuse to cooperate. He needs to administer a few beatings; they'll respect him after they get tired of having him kick their rear ends.

There's no being nice to teabaggers until they respect you. Nobody likes to be a bad guy, but sometimes that's a necessary evil.
Favoritism

El Dorado Hills, CA

#17 May 2, 2010
I think mr hypocrite should be no more mr nice guy to his own party members, and himself, get themselves to hell in jail!

Who would listen to such liars and crooks as those questioning Goldman Sachs?! I mean, what is this, a distraction from their own bastardization of their oaths of office, to uphold the constitution of the United States, and not HOLD UP and FORCE their agendas down the throats of the PEOPLE!!!

Who's interest do they really have in mind. Answ: Their own!

Truth

Coal City, IL

#18 May 2, 2010
It always been about power,greed,and money. This is what drives both parties, not "common sense".

When Americans force the lobbyists out it will get better.

Until then it doesn't make much difference. Democrats want socialist style government. Republicans want corporate run government . They are both evil.

“I welcome DEATH”

Since: Mar 09

Campton

#19 May 2, 2010
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Health Care Reform taught the racist right-wing tea-baggers a very valuable lesion… never bet against Black, LOL.
Teabagger.. Huh ! How do like that sack swinging over your face ?, you nasty and Racist !
Bring up Obama's color again so we'll all know LOL !!

“I welcome DEATH”

Since: Mar 09

Campton

#20 May 2, 2010
Instead of ramming the H/C Bill down throats,Obama is going through the other end bend over guys you make too much money.

“Bounce Barry in 12, Dems in 10”

Since: Mar 08

AZ, Sonoran Desert

#24 May 2, 2010
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Health Care Reform taught the racist right-wing tea-baggers a very valuable lesion… never bet against Black, LOL.
How racist of you, focusing on our president's skin color.:)

“Bounce Barry in 12, Dems in 10”

Since: Mar 08

AZ, Sonoran Desert

#25 May 2, 2010
PooPoo Platter wrote:
It's about time President Obama quit wasting time trying to reason with Republicans. There's no good reason to be nice to people who petulantly refuse to cooperate. He needs to administer a few beatings; they'll respect him after they get tired of having him kick their rear ends.
There's no being nice to teabaggers until they respect you. Nobody likes to be a bad guy, but sometimes that's a necessary evil.
Hey, PPP, I agree with you. The socialist Dems should go all out and impose their ideas on America, as extremely as they can and as much as they can, before November....the more they do, the easier it is to educate the public about what happens when you elect Democrats.:)

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