T-Mobile In The UK Blocking Access To All LGBT Sites Offensive Or Not

Sep 3, 2010 Full story: lezgetreal.com 32

T-Mobile has been the focus of complaints in the United Kingdom lately that their phone network bars access to LGBT websites because they are considered to be ‘offensive’, and unsuitable for those under eighteen. It does not appear to matter if those sites contain nudity or offensive content. This probably means that LezGetReal is being blocked by T-Mobile and our British customers will not be able to read this article on T-Mobile’s network.

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Canada

#21 Sep 5, 2010
I am very
Disappointed with t mobile and will be canceling my contract.
As for the Sarah palin fan,there was a reason she did not get elected. Wake up. Not to worry, you are probably uneducated
So some of your ignorance is to be expected.maybe not all of it though
Dan in Chicago

Chicago, IL

#22 Sep 5, 2010
Going to drop my plan Tuesday (after the holiday). A good friend has been inviting me to join AT&T so we could talk for free, as he also has AT&T. No straw like the last straw. Even though AT&T appears to have their own problems, at least they're not homophobic.

Been going month-to-month with them for 6 years.
gayAdolf

United States

#23 Sep 5, 2010
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
What on earth does liberal ideology have to do with this? Liberal = no censorship, and conservative = censorship.
It's not liberals who burn books after all or insist that GLBTs go back in the closet.
Canada and Europe must be very conservative then. You don't have a choice but to say pro-homosexual things if you live in Canada, no matter who you are. The Canadian government can arrest, fine, and imprison anyone who expresses disapproval of homosexuality. The opinions of those in un-free countries like yours with government censorship and zero freedom of speech have no credibility. You speak for your government because you have no choice.
Leftatalbuquerqu e

Canada

#24 Sep 6, 2010
gayAdolf wrote:
<quoted text>Canada and Europe must be very conservative then. You don't have a choice but to say pro-homosexual things if you live in Canada, no matter who you are. The Canadian government can arrest, fine, and imprison anyone who expresses disapproval of homosexuality. The opinions of those in un-free countries like yours with government censorship and zero freedom of speech have no credibility. You speak for your government because you have no choice.
We are only conservative and unfree when it comes to demeaning others when there is no intelligent rationale to do so.

Free speech does not equal responsible speech. We tend to treat others as we would be treated, something you would do well to remember.

Belive what you will - the wonderful thing is, you as an individual have no power to change our democratic way of doing things, and you as a nation are but the butt of jokes and general bewilderment amongst the global community. Keep spending your tax dollars on nuclear weapons - we'll spend ours on healthcare and education.

Whomever dies with the most toys still dies.

Since: Apr 08

Hamilton, Canada

#25 Sep 7, 2010
gayAdolf wrote:
<quoted text>Canada and Europe must be very conservative then. You don't have a choice but to say pro-homosexual things if you live in Canada, no matter who you are. The Canadian government can arrest, fine, and imprison anyone who expresses disapproval of homosexuality. The opinions of those in un-free countries like yours with government censorship and zero freedom of speech have no credibility. You speak for your government because you have no choice.
We have free speech in Canada. Americans seem to think that free speech means free from consequences though -- it doesn't. In Canada you can say whatever you want but you have to be willing to deal with the very real consequences of your speech.

For instance, you don't get a free pass if you yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre. And you don't get a free pass if you advocate violence against an identifiable group (minority or not.)

Advocating violence against a group, which is considered hate speech and is prosecuted as such in Canada, is very different from espousing a controversial point of view which is protected as free speech.

“TMA&CRR One Love One Marriage ”

Since: Sep 09

port orange

#26 Sep 7, 2010
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
We have free speech in Canada. Americans seem to think that free speech means free from consequences though -- it doesn't. In Canada you can say whatever you want but you have to be willing to deal with the very real consequences of your speech.
For instance, you don't get a free pass if you yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre. And you don't get a free pass if you advocate violence against an identifiable group (minority or not.)
Advocating violence against a group, which is considered hate speech and is prosecuted as such in Canada, is very different from espousing a controversial point of view which is protected as free speech.
hun its the same in the US the only difference is people here are so self absorbed they dont know or understand how our gov. works and runs

Since: Apr 08

Hamilton, Canada

#27 Sep 7, 2010
Travis A wrote:
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hun its the same in the US the only difference is people here are so self absorbed they dont know or understand how our gov. works and runs
I just get tired of people claiming that free speech somehow means they are also free from consequences. And I get tired of people crapping on my home and native land (Oh Canada!) for daring to actually hold people accountable for hate speech.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#28 Sep 7, 2010
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
I just get tired of people claiming that free speech somehow means they are also free from consequences. And I get tired of people crapping on my home and native land (Oh Canada!) for daring to actually hold people accountable for hate speech.
Please understand that the Americans who do that sort of thing are not the majority. They just grew up thinking there should be no consequences for their actions or speech. I, personally, admire Canada and its' people. Matter of fact, my spouse and I are trying to decide now whether to move to England or Canada when he retires. At first we thought about England, because he owns a house near Brighton. But we are thinking that is to far away, and maybe Canada would be a better idea. Probably somewhere on the West Coast near Washington state.
gayHeinrich

United States

#29 Sep 7, 2010
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
I just get tired of people claiming that free speech somehow means they are also free from consequences. And I get tired of people crapping on my home and native land (Oh Canada!) for daring to actually hold people accountable for hate speech.
You misunderstand how free-speech in the US differs from the government-approved prior-restraint form of Canada.
There are consequences for unpopular speech in the US, by private parties who may sue or fire you, but the government can't stop you from saying it by enacting speech-codes which criminalize it (prior restraint). The 1st Amendment also doesn't normally apply on any college campus.
As you are well aware as a Canadian subject, there is prior restraint (the promise of criminal prosecution) for expressing opinions which do not conform to the national speech code, thereby preventing people from expressing the opinion in the first place.
I'm not sure as I haven't looked at the speech code for about 5 years, but it's probably promoting hate, and therefore criminal, to criticize the speech code itself.
Be careful what you say up there, although Canadian jails are probably pretty nice compared to most.

Since: Apr 08

Hamilton, Canada

#30 Sep 7, 2010
gayHeinrich wrote:
As you are well aware as a Canadian subject, there is prior restraint (the promise of criminal prosecution) for expressing opinions which do not conform to the national speech code, thereby preventing people from expressing the opinion in the first place.
I'm not sure as I haven't looked at the speech code for about 5 years, but it's probably promoting hate, and therefore criminal, to criticize the speech code itself.
Be careful what you say up there, although Canadian jails are probably pretty nice compared to most.
You are not correct about Canadian free speech and how hate speech laws work. The law does not restrain unpopular opinions. The law has consequences for those who use speech (spoken or written) to promote violence (technically, "genocide") against identifiable groups.

There is an article on wikipedia about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws... that includes explanations of how unpopular opinions, even if they are untrue, are not punishable as a hate crime if they are not advocating violence (genocide.)
gayHeinrich

Watseka, IL

#31 Sep 7, 2010
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not correct about Canadian free speech and how hate speech laws work. The law does not restrain unpopular opinions. The law has consequences for those who use speech (spoken or written) to promote violence (technically, "genocide") against identifiable groups.
There is an article on wikipedia about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws... that includes explanations of how unpopular opinions, even if they are untrue, are not punishable as a hate crime if they are not advocating violence (genocide.)
Wiki isn't really a credible source, but who could blame you for being cautious in providing a link to the Canadian government regulations on speech codes source itself or even visiting the site if you're a subject of the Canadian Federal government. Checking what you're allowed to say could be construed by the authorities as an attempt to propagate hate speech. They decide, not you. Then they must investigate why someone would check for permission to wriggle through the strict speech codes.
Your whole country is like a giant college campus with witch-finders general on the government payroll that get paid per case and per prosecution of Canadians. Except for Muslims, who are free to spout all the hate they want against Christians and Jews and maybe even homos, as long as they're white.
Face it bud, there isn't freedom of speech in Canada, except as the government allows. Which isn't really freedom to speak at all.

Purely hypothetical, but how about this scenario...
What if you were to post that you decided you don't want to be a homosexual anymore and started saying it's wrong?
You would be breaking so many Canadian laws you'd probably draw life in prison in solitary confinement. Canada would quietly sell you to an Iranian prison for discreet disposal.

Since: Apr 08

Hamilton, Canada

#32 Sep 8, 2010
gayHeinrich wrote:
<quoted text>Wiki isn't really a credible source, but who could blame you for being cautious in providing a link to the Canadian government regulations on speech codes source itself or even visiting the site if you're a subject of the Canadian Federal government. Checking what you're allowed to say could be construed by the authorities as an attempt to propagate hate speech. They decide, not you. Then they must investigate why someone would check for permission to wriggle through the strict speech codes.
Your whole country is like a giant college campus with witch-finders general on the government payroll that get paid per case and per prosecution of Canadians. Except for Muslims, who are free to spout all the hate they want against Christians and Jews and maybe even homos, as long as they're white.
Face it bud, there isn't freedom of speech in Canada, except as the government allows. Which isn't really freedom to speak at all.
Purely hypothetical, but how about this scenario...
What if you were to post that you decided you don't want to be a homosexual anymore and started saying it's wrong?
You would be breaking so many Canadian laws you'd probably draw life in prison in solitary confinement. Canada would quietly sell you to an Iranian prison for discreet disposal.
As my sons say, "Sorry -- I couldn't hear you whine over my UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE."

And you can whine all you want with your stereotypes and prejudices about Canada. I just know that we are far more free up here than you are. We have equality in the law for ALL marriages (and have for years!) We have far less violent crime proportionally. And our politics are not just a teeter-totter between two parties that look to the rest of the world like near-identical twins. We have REAL options in Canada, and we regularly explore them politically.

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