Pregnancy issue isn't black/white - or Brown

[Margie]

acharleyhorse wrote:

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GWB did serve in the military ( the National Gaurd) Clinton is the one who dodged serving in the military. He is the one who "Loathed the military". He also smoked pot. But I'm sure you voted for him.

"Serving" safely stateside and playing at being a soldier when it's convenient for you isn't quite the same as going across the ocean and actually being in the line of fire.

I voted for Clinton the 1st time. Not the 2nd. I don't see past drug use as an issue in someone being President. Republicans claim to, but only when it's a Democrat who did the drugs. You sure don't mind all the drug abusing Republicans you stand behind.

[fed up with the mess]

Tell that to all of the white folks that say look at those blacks...look at the black teen mothers.

[DHM]

Hmmmm wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure the children today are really running out to Best Buy to pick up those copies of Murphy Brown to teach them everything about sex. It is TV's fault!

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me a bit. God bless us all if Miley Cyrus gets pregnant.

[Joe]

DHM wrote:

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Actually, it wouldn't surprise me a bit. God bless us all if Miley Cyrus gets pregnant.

Something tells me she is going to get involved in a scandal bigger than Vanity Fair photos.

[DHM]

Joe wrote:

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Something tells me she is going to get involved in a scandal bigger than Vanity Fair photos.

Ruh-Roh!!

[TRA]

Margie wrote:

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It's not Democrats that demonize people for having children out of wedlock, dear. It's not Democrats that hate contraception and sex ed. It's not Democrats that make their daughters sign abstinence pledges and wear chastity rings. It's Republicans that do all those things and then can't even stand by their own "values". Poor Republicans the point hurts them so much, they just keep ignoring it.

Margie: Republicans do not chastise people for having children out of wedlock. They chastise them for failing to be responsible for the situations that they create. The vast majority of Republicans support the use of birth control, while reminding folks that the only way to 100% avoid getting pregnant is to abstain. Catholics are the ones who don't believe in birth control. Last I checked, there are Democratic Catholics. On the other hand, most Republicans do feel that using abortion as a convenient means of birth control is wrong.

Why is it wrong to encourage young people to avoid destructive behavior that will likely trap them in a vicious circle of poverty? Perhaps you feel that sex lacks any value or is just a biological function. Therefore, if it feels good, do it. Most mature people understand that young adults are not prepared for the emotional baggage that comes along with being active. Nor do they understand that they could, in fact, get pregnant or contract an STD.

Please explain to me why it is wrong for parents to encourage their children to wait until they are ready to maturely handle the results of their actions? We don't allow children to drive before 16, we don't allow them to drink until 21, and we don't allow them to do drugs. Based upon your logic, we should just accept that they are going to do these things and stand by and watch them make self destructive choices.

I, for one, refuse to standby and allow my daughters to grow up without having a sense of what is right and what is wrong. I must be a terrible parent because my Republican nature is to hold my children accountable for their choices. Now, here comes the punchline - I hope that you can handle it...My Christian beliefs also teach me that we are all imperfect and fall short of being perfect. We each are in need of forgiveness when we fail. As such, I help my children pick themselves up, take responsibility, and make the best of the situation.

Not all Republicans or Christians think in the manner that you would suggest. Likewise, I am confident that most Democrats are not as venomous and hateful as you seem to be. If you ever took time to understand people who don't think like you, you might learn something. Unfortunately, based upon what I have seen on these boards, you are likely to continue living in your closed little world and continue to blame others for your unhappiness.

FYI - if you would use phrases such as some Republicans... or Extreme Right Wingers or even many Republicans your arguements would have more impact. When you generalize about a whole group of people, you end up looking stupid because all it takes is one person who does not fit your mold to destroy your arguement. Just a thought...

[Southern Gal]

Margie wrote:

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It's not Democrats that demonize people for having children out of wedlock, dear. It's not Democrats that hate contraception and sex ed. It's not Democrats that make their daughters sign abstinence pledges and wear chastity rings. It's Republicans that do all those things and then can't even stand by their own "values". Poor Republicans the point hurts them so much, they just keep ignoring it.

Let's start here...why do you think it is acceptable to call people you don't know dear...I AM NOT NOR WILL I EVER BE YOUR DEAR! No what Democrats can't stand is that Republicans have no problem taking a stand on what they believe. Reality check here...if Palin were a Democrat she'd have taken her daughter to the local abortion clinic...or gone ahead and let her have the baby and signed her up for welfare. You Democrats love giving my hard earned money to people that keep popping out kids when they have no apparent means to support them...all to protect the woman's reproductive rights. What about my rights as a working, productive, tax paying member of the US? Where's my incentive?

[Fake-Name-Guy]

Southern Gal wrote:

<quoted text>Well, I have a teenager and I have to tell you that at his age he is totally against any thing that I think is right. Do I love him any less because he doesn't believe the way I do? NOPE! Your teenage years are when you are trying to figure out who you are...independent of your parents. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Palin can believe that abstinence is the way...obviously her teenage daughter chose to not agree...does that make Palin wrong...maybe but does any of this have anything to do with how well she can run a country...doubtful.

Yeah, but do you object to your teenager having easy access to accurate information regarding contraception? Governor Palin does. And, even after her policy of denying access to this information is shown to be horribly ineffective, in a very personal fashion, she does not alter her ideas in any way. That is to say, she refuses to alter her ideologically-driven policies when they disagree with facts. I do not think such persons should hold office.

You?

[Fake-Name-Guy]

Anyway, has anyone else noticed this conversation is not solely among readers of one's local paper? The Tribune goons are trying to pull a fast one on us!

[Margie]

Southern Gal wrote:

<quoted text>Let's start here...why do you think it is acceptable to call people you don't know dear...I AM NOT NOR WILL I EVER BE YOUR DEAR! No what Democrats can't stand is that Republicans have no problem taking a stand on what they believe. Reality check here...if Palin were a Democrat she'd have taken her daughter to the local abortion clinic...or gone ahead and let her have the baby and signed her up for welfare. You Democrats love giving my hard earned money to people that keep popping out kids when they have no apparent means to support them...all to protect the woman's reproductive rights. What about my rights as a working, productive, tax paying member of the US? Where's my incentive?

Dearheart, Republicans like to talk the talk about a certain set of morals and believes, but a) they don't walk the walk, they ignore all the rules for themselves. they don't even try and b) they have no business imposing those beliefs on other people. if you want to live some crazy, sad life based on the rules of your make-believe sky ghost, that's certainly your right in this country. however, you don't have the right to impose that superstitious nonsense on everyone else. The Amish get that. Orthodox Jews get that. They actually live by the rules they claim to believe. Perhaps because they actually focus their minds on following those rules, they don't seem to have the time to try and force their beliefs on other people. Unlike right-wing "Christian" theocrats.

Got it, dear? Quit trying to change the subject and the argument. No one cares about your superstitious nonsense as long as you keep it to yourself!

[Southern Gal]

Fake-Name-Guy wrote:

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Yeah, but do you object to your teenager having easy access to accurate information regarding contraception? Governor Palin does. And, even after her policy of denying access to this information is shown to be horribly ineffective, in a very personal fashion, she does not alter her ideas in any way. That is to say, she refuses to alter her ideologically-driven policies when they disagree with facts. I do not think such persons should hold office.
You?

Actually, I believe in providing my son with the facts on contraception & explaining further my feelings on sex at such a young age. We have encouraged open communication and have told our son that rather than take chances to let us know & we would provide contraception. I am a firm believer that schools provide the biological processes of sex & parents are responsible for the morality of it. I also think it is a personal thing and each of us will decide our own course. Palin has her beliefs but I still don't think it will hinder her capacity to lead.

[Southern Gal]

Margie wrote:

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Dearheart, Republicans like to talk the talk about a certain set of morals and believes, but a) they don't walk the walk, they ignore all the rules for themselves. they don't even try and b) they have no business imposing those beliefs on other people. if you want to live some crazy, sad life based on the rules of your make-believe sky ghost, that's certainly your right in this country. however, you don't have the right to impose that superstitious nonsense on everyone else. The Amish get that. Orthodox Jews get that. They actually live by the rules they claim to believe. Perhaps because they actually focus their minds on following those rules, they don't seem to have the time to try and force their beliefs on other people. Unlike right-wing "Christian" theocrats.
Got it, dear? Quit trying to change the subject and the argument. No one cares about your superstitious nonsense as long as you keep it to yourself!

look who's talking

[Southern Gal]

Margie wrote:

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Oh, and, dearest little one, you Republicunts LOVE giving my hard-earned money to corporations and individuals that make more than enough profit without help from the wallets of the taxpayers. When you cut that out, we'll talk about cutting out money for poor people... mmmmkay?

OOOOOOOO! Hit a nerve did I...let the name calling begin....really get's the point across..

[Margie]

Southern Gal wrote:

<quoted text>OOOOOOOO! Hit a nerve did I...let the name calling begin....really get's the point across..

Sweetie, it doesn't change the fact that you people LOVE to give handouts to corporations and people who are already rolling in money while at the same time whining about those terrible poor people wanting to eat. How dare they!

Personally, I'd against my tax dollars going to any individual or corporation. Period. No special cases, no excuses.

[charmcitygal]

Joe wrote:

Why Dan Quayle ever used Murphy Brown as any kind of social measurement is beyond me. How stupid is it to use a fictional character as an indicator of social norms? Family values are family decisions, not governmental. Parents need to be responsible to educate their children on values. At some point the children will be free thinking enough to decide if they agree with those values. All this discussion about Gov. Palin's daughter is such a waste of time. It is the family's issue, not ours. The only problem I have with the right to free speech is that too many people elect to exercise that right without first exercising their brains. Like my dad used to say, "Engage brain before opening mouth."

Amen.

[Southern Gal]

Margie wrote:

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Sweetie, it doesn't change the fact that you people LOVE to give handouts to corporations and people who are already rolling in money while at the same time whining about those terrible poor people wanting to eat. How dare they!
Personally, I'd against my tax dollars going to any individual or corporation. Period. No special cases, no excuses.

Baby, I'm not rolling in money which makes me resent every dime of my hard earned tax dollars being given to the welfare queens. I was raised that if you wanted to eat, have nice things etc. you worked your butt off doing whatever it took to earn your living. I am a public school kid...paid my own way thru a public college... So as much as we disagree on other issues...I have to agree with you on that one.