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lady lawyers how ironic

Chicago, IL

#1 May 27, 2009
sizzle ,and not steak, is what is all about
Ule

Middlefield, MA

#2 May 27, 2009
Mark Winshel

Walnut Creek, CA

#4 May 27, 2009
The last sentence of the article is extremely enlightening concerning what the legal profession really stands for, in other the comment by law firm partner Linda Doyle, "You should strive not to be distracting - except in your argument."

In other words is Ms. Doyle admitting that the major and primary function of most lawyers is to provide a lot of lies, garbage, and nonsense in an attempt to: one, fool the judge and the jury; and two, cover up the facts and the truth and to instead present everything backwards, sideways, and upside down, and while, of course, pretending to be interested in bringing out the facts and the truth!!!

Actually, if the legal system was truly interested in truth and justice, then in most cases lawyers would not even be allowed in the courtroom, since in most situations even a team of high school dropouts would be much more likely to arrive at the truth than would a group of lawyers, and including since the primary function of most lawyers is to lie, to cover up the truth, and to make sure that the truth never comes out.
My two cents

Englewood, CO

#5 May 28, 2009
WOW. That will be some fodder for the liberated females!!!
clyde

Muskegon, MI

#7 May 28, 2009
Dressing like a hooker if you're representing hookers COULD allow you to bond with your client. Just a thought.
Hari

Chicago, IL

#8 May 28, 2009
It probably doesn't help that all the tv shows and movies with female lawyers have them wearing minimal clothing, but if I'm in a situation where I need a lawyer, I want one who knows the difference between reality and fiction.

That said, the bit about the lawyers dressing too casual reminds me of Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny dealing with the dress code standards of Judge D-Day.
Hari

Chicago, IL

#9 May 28, 2009
Oops, my mixup - Judge Munster. It was Sheriff D-Day.
Jon

Chicago, IL

#11 May 28, 2009
Several years ago I was an alternate juror in a drunk driving trial in Joliet. The prosecutor was wearing what I call a minisuit--the top half was fine but the skirt was wayyyy too short. Very unprofessional! I wanted so badly to tell her to cover herself.
Karl Marx-I oughtta know

New Lenox, IL

#12 May 28, 2009
My two cents wrote:
WOW. That will be some fodder for the liberated females!!!
Lawyers are about making money, and lots of it.

And, they aren't as particular or honest as a lot of people.
marlene

Chicago, IL

#13 May 28, 2009
I totally agree with this article (and have ignored the trolly comments thus far). I'm a lawyer, and am amazed by the inappropriate outfits many lawyers -- mainly women -- are showing up to court in these days. Men tend to be better, but only because a man's suit leaves little room for variation. Women, on the other hand, seem to think today that a frumpy cardigan and khaki pants makes a suit. It's horrible. And open-toed shoes. I'm a woman, and I've been in practice for 10 years, and I've definitely seen slippage over that time period. Good luck 7th Circuit Bar Association in bringing attention to this.
Hmmmm

Saint Paul, MN

#14 May 28, 2009
As a paralegal, I always kept an appropriate spare dress or jacket with a skirt, in case I had to go to court. And this was in the late 80's. Working for DCFS Legal Services, even a Supervisor could send you home to change clothes if you weren't dressed properly.

There is nothing sexist about dressing appropriately for court. Even when working at the old Domestic Relations Court (13th S. Michigan Ave) we would keep an old clothes closet for women coming in for Orders of Protection who needed more of a cover-up before testifying.

These days, people have been watching too many court shows. Even Judge Judy, Judge Joe Brown and Judge Mathis have made comments about being properly dressed for court.

Get over your personal preference and dress for the job!
Roscoe

Chicago, IL

#15 May 28, 2009
I wish we knew how old these said jurists are. 80?
Mark Winshel

Walnut Creek, CA

#16 May 28, 2009
I am wondering whether eventually the profession of lies, deceit, and deception, er, excuse me, I mean the legal profession, will turn dressing "casually," or at least supposedly casually, into a science, and just as it has turned the process of deposition and discovery, and which was originally about finding out the facts, into a process to: one, cover up the truth and the facts; and two, "prove" and establish the "legitimacy" of a lot of lies so as to fool the jury with.

In other words if the attorney representing Party A not only has both the facts and the law overwhelmingly on his side but is also an excellent speaker and very skilled at logical and intelligent presentations, than the attorney or attorneys on the opposing side could intentionally wear very distracting and unprofessional clothing, and especially while the attorney for Party A is speaking, so as to distract the jury from paying much attention to Party A's attorney and his presentation.
Consuegra

United States

#17 May 28, 2009
Everyone should have to go back and watch "My Cousin Vinny" to see the humorous but real extremes that courts can experience with no codes for attire. Do you wonder why lawyers take so many pains to have defendants clean-shaven with a good haircut and a conservative suit when they appear in court? Any female lawyer who appears in distracting clothing that will alienate a judge or jury is a fool, as is any male lawyer who shows up in zoot suit.
Bob

Chicago, IL

#18 May 28, 2009
Mark Winshel wrote:
The last sentence of the article is extremely enlightening concerning what the legal profession really stands for, in other the comment by law firm partner Linda Doyle, "You should strive not to be distracting - except in your argument."
In other words is Ms. Doyle admitting that the major and primary function of most lawyers is to provide a lot of lies, garbage, and nonsense in an attempt to: one, fool the judge and the jury; and two, cover up the facts and the truth and to instead present everything backwards, sideways, and upside down, and while, of course, pretending to be interested in bringing out the facts and the truth!!!
Actually, if the legal system was truly interested in truth and justice, then in most cases lawyers would not even be allowed in the courtroom, since in most situations even a team of high school dropouts would be much more likely to arrive at the truth than would a group of lawyers, and including since the primary function of most lawyers is to lie, to cover up the truth, and to make sure that the truth never comes out.
Looks like someone is bitter about not getting into law school.
Ski

Coal City, IL

#19 May 28, 2009
I vote for the client who's lawyer shows the most cleavage!
Ally McBeal

Langeloth, PA

#21 May 28, 2009
I spent a fair amount of time at the Lake County Courts during my divorce and was shocked by the attire of primarily the female attorneys. I did think that they were "professionals", just not the good kind of professional.

Women are only hurting themselves by thinking it is somehow empowering to dress like a stripper. It would only be sexist to have lowered expectations that women dress appropriately.

Oh yeah, I blame Ally McBeal and Cake (longs skirt/short jacket).

Since: Nov 08

United States

#22 May 28, 2009
I remember during a divorce trial my male client leaned over to me and whispered, "the judge is trying to look down your blouse, you should unbutton and show him something to help us win". Of course I didn't and my blouse was not revealing anyway but it still bothered me the way the judge continued to leer at me.
booksdates

United States

#23 May 28, 2009
Consuegra wrote:
Everyone should have to go back and watch "My Cousin Vinny" to see the humorous but real extremes that courts can experience with no codes for attire. Do you wonder why lawyers take so many pains to have defendants clean-shaven with a good haircut and a conservative suit when they appear in court? Any female lawyer who appears in distracting clothing that will alienate a judge or jury is a fool, as is any male lawyer who shows up in zoot suit.
Good point, however in "Vinny" who looked at the guys??? Marissa was way too hott, hott, scorching in those short skirts...Yesssssssssssssssss!
Mark Winshel

Walnut Creek, CA

#24 May 28, 2009
Concerning the comment of Bob (Post # 18):

1. Did you attend and graduate from

Liar

And

Weasel school?

2. Are you a member of the particular profession that is composed primarily of

Liars

Alcoholics

Weasels

Yellers

Embezzlers and

Racketeers?

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