Building Downtown

Building Downtown

There are 46 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 27, 2008, titled Building Downtown. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

In 1986, Indianapolis developer Kenneth Puller proposed a grand hotel and apartment complex on the Downtown Canal.

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Greg

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Jan 27, 2008
I can tell you that Penn Centre is dead for sure.

Since: Jan 08

Indianapolis, IN

#22 Jan 27, 2008
Greg wrote:
I can tell you that Penn Centre is dead for sure.
What makes you think its dead? The project was approved and is due to break ground at any time if it hasn't already. I say that because I don't get downtown much and don't know if they've started.
Bottom Line

Fort Myers, FL

#23 Jan 27, 2008
Ken Puller was a total jerk who scre*ed many along the way. Quite whining you baby, what comes around, goes around. Get over it and move on, no wonder you were not successful, whinners never are.
Greg

AOL

#24 Jan 27, 2008
Indianapolis is a typical small midwestern Indiana town that talks a lot, but that never does anything to grow because it always comes up with excuses as to why nothing good can work here. Indianapolis has always been a nap town and it will always be, for this reason.
Greg

AOL

#25 Jan 27, 2008
Indy's skyline, in particular, is so boring for a city that is supposedly the 12th largest in the nation. Everytime someone proposes a skyscraper, someone shoots it down. This is the difference between a can-do city like New York City and a dreamer city like Indianapolis. I suspect that Indianapolis will probably never have a building taller than the Chase Tower, and if so, it won't be in my lifetime. I am 39.
Escuchan Ustedes

Indianapolis, IN

#26 Jan 27, 2008
DT is short for: Deadtown not Downtown.
SomeGuy

Indianapolis, IN

#27 Jan 27, 2008
Greg wrote:
Indy's skyline, in particular, is so boring for a city that is supposedly the 12th largest in the nation. Everytime someone proposes a skyscraper, someone shoots it down. This is the difference between a can-do city like New York City and a dreamer city like Indianapolis. I suspect that Indianapolis will probably never have a building taller than the Chase Tower, and if so, it won't be in my lifetime. I am 39.
Uhmmm, it is the 12th largest in the nation, but it is the 33rd largest metropolitan area and the metro area is growing more slowly than most in the south and southwest. Supply and demand, plain and simple. You use NYC as an example of a can-do-city? Hardly. All they "can-do" is argue with each other ... I'm 40, my wife is from NYC, we spend a lot of time there. Chicago is a can-do-city, you want to talk about skyline changing activity, look there first. A skyline is not all that it is cracked up to be. San Antonio hardly has one, yet most outsiders would rate its downtown highly. Most European cities much larger than Indianapolis don't have a skyline worth mentioning ... those places must be really boring. While I'm all for development of the core and I would like to see more activity, Indianapolis is doing ok and is better served addressing problems more serious than how tall its buildings are.
Howsure

United States

#28 Jan 27, 2008
Seems OK is the name of the game. W/O increasing the
education of the base population attracting high paying
jobs won't happen. In addition W/O Mass Transit the
downtown won't grow. What locals consider high paying
jobs and what it takes to sell out real estate developments
for urban living...well there is a large gap.
Big Crosstown

Cincinnati, OH

#29 Jan 27, 2008
It bothers me that Indy is so conservative in it's skyline growth. But, I am more disappointed at the small scale and low degree of design that is on the projected list of today as opposed to the lose genius of the 1980's. P.S. I would love to see the World Trade Tower project come back with red tinted glass for the MSA site!! 71 stories just sounds good. And that building would be a perfect fit. Gotta admit it.
Indy

Los Angeles, CA

#30 Jan 28, 2008
Its a shame if the rumors of Penn Centre's demise are true. The design, while boring for most city's standards, would be a vast improvemnt for Indy's pathetic skyline.
Greg

AOL

#31 Jan 28, 2008
Downtown Indianapolis grows about an inch every ten years. The reason? Excuses excuses excuses. Nothing works in Indianapolis because excuses always come out the winners.

Since: Dec 07

Terre Haute, IN

#32 Jan 28, 2008
Greg wrote:
Downtown Indianapolis grows about an inch every ten years. The reason? Excuses excuses excuses. Nothing works in Indianapolis because excuses always come out the winners.
Sounds like a poor excuse to me.....
Happy Downtown Parker

Indianapolis, IN

#33 Jan 29, 2008
Projects that get announced from private developers are almost never a certainty.
Happy Downtown Parker

Indianapolis, IN

#34 Jan 29, 2008
I hope you are right about the development not going through. I work downtown and am quite happy with the land at Capital and Michigan staying a parking lot! I park in that lot and I love that my modest 3 block walk to my building costs half of what I would pay if I parked in a garage. There must be at least three hundred people that park in my lot. I don't see how that many people could be absorbed in the non-AUL-dedicated lots that are left in that area. Just my two cents worth.
Greg

AOL

#35 Jan 31, 2008
Uhmmm, there are 362 statistical metropolitan areas in the United States. To rank 35th out of 362 and 12th out of hundreds, is a pretty high ranking. Use your head the next time you say, "Uhmmm" at the beginning of your comment as though it makes you smarter.
SomeGuy wrote:
<quoted text> Uhmmm, it is the 12th largest in the nation, but it is the 33rd largest metropolitan area and the metro area is growing more slowly than most in the south and southwest. Supply and demand, plain and simple. You use NYC as an example of a can-do-city? Hardly. All they "can-do" is argue with each other ... I'm 40, my wife is from NYC, we spend a lot of time there. Chicago is a can-do-city, you want to talk about skyline changing activity, look there first. A skyline is not all that it is cracked up to be. San Antonio hardly has one, yet most outsiders would rate its downtown highly. Most European cities much larger than Indianapolis don't have a skyline worth mentioning ... those places must be really boring. While I'm all for development of the core and I would like to see more activity, Indianapolis is doing ok and is better served addressing problems more serious than how tall its buildings are.
SomeGuy

Indianapolis, IN

#36 Feb 1, 2008
Greg wrote:
Uhmmm, there are 362 statistical metropolitan areas in the United States. To rank 35th out of 362 and 12th out of hundreds, is a pretty high ranking. Use your head the next time you say, "Uhmmm" at the beginning of your comment as though it makes you smarter.
<quoted text>
Yes, there are that many MSAs ... and thank you for the commentary on my intelligence. My point is that it is misleading to state that we are the 12th largest city in the country and leave it at that. The size of the city itself really is not indicative of anything. Would you say that Atlanta is small? The city of Atlanta is much smaller than Indianapolis. The MSA is enormous ... several times larger. Boston, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Pittsburgh among others ... all smaller than Indianapolis, but that is misleading isn't it? San Antonio (1+ million) is slightly larger than Dallas but the Dallas MSA is 3 times larger. Indianapolis is not as large as the ranking of its city population would indicate. It also has a better downtown than many cities with larger MSAs. So, yes, I reserve the right to say Uhmmm in response to an argument based on a mischaracterization.
wow

Indianapolis, IN

#37 Feb 1, 2008
Highway Man wrote:
People are afraid to go downtown, plus, once you are there, where are you going to park?
LMAO!!! WHAT!!?!? Man, that's rich.
SomeGuy

Indianapolis, IN

#38 Feb 1, 2008
SomeGuy wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, there are that many MSAs ... and thank you for the commentary on my intelligence. My point is that it is misleading to state that we are the 12th largest city in the country and leave it at that. The size of the city itself really is not indicative of anything. Would you say that Atlanta is small? The city of Atlanta is much smaller than Indianapolis. The MSA is enormous ... several times larger. Boston, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Pittsburgh among others ... all smaller than Indianapolis, but that is misleading isn't it? San Antonio (1+ million) is slightly larger than Dallas but the Dallas MSA is 3 times larger. Indianapolis is not as large as the ranking of its city population would indicate. It also has a better downtown than many cities with larger MSAs. So, yes, I reserve the right to say Uhmmm in response to an argument based on a mischaracterization.
Just to add to my previous comment:

San Francisco
Boston
Baltimore
Seattle
Washington DC
Denver
Atlanta
Miami
Minneapolis
Cincinnati
St. Louis
Pittsburgh

ALL of these cities are smaller than Indianapolis. Heck, Indianapolis is twice the size of Minneapolis, St. Louis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. It is just about twice the size of Miami ... oh wait, but the Miami MSA has 5 and half million people in it. In fact, all of these cities are in larger MSAs ... in some cases, several times larger.

Indianapolis is the 12th largest city in the country ... and that means what exactly?
wow

Indianapolis, IN

#39 Feb 1, 2008
Greg wrote:
Uhmmm, there are 362 statistical metropolitan areas in the United States. To rank 35th out of 362 and 12th out of hundreds, is a pretty high ranking. Use your head the next time you say, "Uhmmm" at the beginning of your comment as though it makes you smarter.
<quoted text>
Yeah, and surface parking lots do so much to add to the vibrancy and life of urban areas. Think of truly vibrant cities like CHicago and New York, and they're just full of surface parking![/sarcasm]
wow

Indianapolis, IN

#40 Feb 1, 2008
Oops, sorry, Greg. Quoted the wrong post.

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