Jonīs voice
Charlotte

Orlando, FL

#65 Jan 2, 2013
Paulaluvsbj wrote:
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After reading this posting I went back and read that thread since I didn't know what her reply was to me. I had no intentions on visiting it after posting that day but you got me curious. Curiosity killed the cat as the saying goes. lol That thread just like this one digressed quickly with the mud slinging.
After reading it I don't have a problem with the way Charlotte replied to my post. However, I don't agree her assessment that 90% of people around here only got upset at a false allegation because it was directed at Jon. I think the statistics might be closer to 95% of people around here would have an issue with someone accusing a man falsely whether it was him or any other man. The reason I think that is because for the most part the majority of the people on this forum (the posters and people who have needed to just lurk for their own sanity) are kind, caring, and very nice, you know, "normal people." I don't think any of us need to be a genius to know what I mean by that, but I exclude crazy posters in that phrase if it's not clear enough. Personally not getting into a back and forth mud slinging with anyone about what was said. Calling them crazy was kind of me since I didn't go into details. I won't name any people specifically, but some of the postings I just read from that other thread were disgusting and very disrespectful. I know it's just the internet, but even so, at least try and have some respect for yourself and others while posting on this forum. Show some dignity and shall I dare say class before hitting the post comment button. It may just be the web, but inside ugly is ugly whether it is in person or online. Some people should think twice about encouraging and standing next to posters who are so disrespectful to so many on this forum, it just makes them look bad too. If they aren't posting with respect they don't deserve any handed back to them in possible replies. imo
To yourdaddyiswho: Thanks for your kind posting that ended that thread after all that BS. I'm doing great, thank you.:)
As I said in my posting above, I'm looking forward to the coming concerts and watching youtubes from them. I hope most of you are too. I'm very thankful after 30 years they are still together and even though Jon and Richie's voices have changed over the years even now they can still both melt me in seconds on some songs.
Lovely post Paula but the fact remains that 90% of the posters on this board could care less who is being talked about in a negative manor as long as it is not Jonny Boy or someone in his family. Only a handfull will come to the defense of any other band members. You have not had a problem with the way I referred to your situation. That is because you are not using it as a means to come down on me for having a negative opionin about Jonny Boy. The person that brought it up on this thread was trying to use it against me. But in reality showed lack of respect for you because is should not have been brought into play on this thread. Or any other thread on this forum unless brought up by yourself.
Taz

Woodville, Australia

#66 Jan 2, 2013
To be completely honest, IMO Jon's voce isn't what it used to be...it is thinner, more nasal sounding and has a more limited range than he had in his 'prime'.

That being said, it is still better than the vast majority of the manufactured, autotuned singers we are inundated with these days.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#67 Jan 2, 2013
Charlotte wrote:
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Lovely post Paula but the fact remains that 90% of the posters on this board could care less who is being talked about in a negative manor as long as it is not Jonny Boy or someone in his family. Only a handfull will come to the defense of any other band members. You have not had a problem with the way I referred to your situation. That is because you are not using it as a means to come down on me for having a negative opionin about Jonny Boy. The person that brought it up on this thread was trying to use it against me. But in reality showed lack of respect for you because is should not have been brought into play on this thread. Or any other thread on this forum unless brought up by yourself.
Looks like we'll just have to continue to disagree on that subject since I doubt either of us will back down. As far as showing lack of respect for me when it was brought back up by the other person. I disagree, I don't think it was disrespectful. Alexandra just had a different interpretation than I did of what you said in your reply to me. I was simply setting the record straight that I didn't concur. Once I posted about the rape in an open forum it's fair game as long as what I said isn't twisted in some demeaning way as someone else did. I'm long past being ashamed about it and know how much stronger of woman it made me. However, I do prefer to not harp on it so let's all just please move on along with the topic of the thread...their voices. Thanks!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#68 Jan 2, 2013
Taz wrote:
To be completely honest, IMO Jon's voce isn't what it used to be...it is thinner, more nasal sounding and has a more limited range than he had in his 'prime'.
That being said, it is still better than the vast majority of the manufactured, autotuned singers we are inundated with these days.
I have been so disappointed when I've liked certain songs by other entertainers and then when I go to their concerts they sound horrible. Waste of money, not to mention false advertising. lol
Charlotte

Orlando, FL

#69 Jan 2, 2013
Paulaluvsbj wrote:
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Looks like we'll just have to continue to disagree on that subject since I doubt either of us will back down. As far as showing lack of respect for me when it was brought back up by the other person. I disagree, I don't think it was disrespectful. Alexandra just had a different interpretation than I did of what you said in your reply to me. I was simply setting the record straight that I didn't concur. Once I posted about the rape in an open forum it's fair game as long as what I said isn't twisted in some demeaning way as someone else did. I'm long past being ashamed about it and know how much stronger of woman it made me. However, I do prefer to not harp on it so let's all just please move on along with the topic of the thread...their voices. Thanks!
We both can agree to disagree. You do not have to worry about me "harping" on your situation you know my feelings about anyone that does that. You can consider it closed on my part. You are a classy lady Paula!
Charlotte

Orlando, FL

#70 Jan 2, 2013
Taz wrote:
To be completely honest, IMO Jon's voce isn't what it used to be...it is thinner, more nasal sounding and has a more limited range than he had in his 'prime'.
That being said, it is still better than the vast majority of the manufactured, autotuned singers we are inundated with these days.
I have been using the word shrill but thinner is a better way to descibe it. And I agree some of todays singers could not record without the help of modern technology. It is evident when you see some of them in person.
Miss Daisy

Brookings, SD

#71 Jan 3, 2013
I like Bon Jovi and all the guys in it. I'm putting that out there first. However, I also have to be honest and realistic. I saw Bon Jovi on some show a few years back and was in a different room at the time they came on. I have to be honest here.....if I hadn't actually seen them with my own eyes, I wouldn't have known it was Bon Jovi. Yes, Jon's voice isn't the same as it was even 10 years ago. I didn't care for the sound of his voice on that show. But that said, I appreciate the fact that the man has allowed his vocal chords to take a beating so that we who "grew up" with the band (and newer fans, too) can still have the pleasure of seeing them in concert and hearing their music. I don't know how much longer Jon can continue doing this but I can bet that he's going to give it his all and will "go down in a blaze of glory"!:)
Buzzed

The Pas, Canada

#72 Jan 3, 2013
Miss Daisy wrote:
I like Bon Jovi and all the guys in it. I'm putting that out there first. However, I also have to be honest and realistic. I saw Bon Jovi on some show a few years back and was in a different room at the time they came on. I have to be honest here.....if I hadn't actually seen them with my own eyes, I wouldn't have known it was Bon Jovi. Yes, Jon's voice isn't the same as it was even 10 years ago. I didn't care for the sound of his voice on that show. But that said, I appreciate the fact that the man has allowed his vocal chords to take a beating so that we who "grew up" with the band (and newer fans, too) can still have the pleasure of seeing them in concert and hearing their music. I don't know how much longer Jon can continue doing this but I can bet that he's going to give it his all and will "go down in a blaze of glory"!:)
I hope Jon and the band have many years of good performances left in them but also that Jon knows when to pull the plug on the whole thing as not to "go out" in an embarrassing way. Realistically, after this tour there may only be one or two more tours in them. Tico and Hugh are pushing 60 and I'm starting to get the vibe that some members are ready for things to slow down.

I hear you on the poor TV performance thing. With the exception of the 12/12/12 show and a select few other, the band seems to be "off" on their TV performances. I've seen some very poor ones the last few years and this is not good when so many people are watching. In concert it's usually a different story though.(and I say "usually" because they're on more than their off with the live concerts) Anyone saying Jon's voice is just as good as it was in the 90's, or even the Crush tour is fooling themselves though. His voice has changed considerably. I find it hard to hold it against him a lot of the time though, he's aging and his voice is wearing out from many years of use and abuse.(my God, the way he screamed in the 80's and 90's, only dogs could hear him) However, some of the time he's just lazy in his singing, like when he's not pronouncing the words properly.(I have a real pet peeve about him singing Dead Or HALIVE, there's no h on the word alive Jon) Anyway, as someone who has several hundred Bon Jovi audio and video bootlegs from over the years and who actually listens to and watches them, I feel I can say first hand that the sound and energy has changed A LOT over the years. After months of listening to nothing but shows from last tour, last month I started listening to shows from KTF and TD and it really is an eye opener. I bet it would be tough for Jon and the band to sit and watch one of these shows.(and I'm not talking about the differences just being Jon's voice)

That said, they're still one of the best live acts out there and each of the 4 times I saw them last tour I still left with that feeling of "that's why I keep coming back". Things may have changed over the years but I still love this band and the feeling I get from their live shows.
Lucky1

United States

#73 Jan 3, 2013
Paulaluvsbj wrote:
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I have been so disappointed when I've liked certain songs by other entertainers and then when I go to their concerts they sound horrible. Waste of money, not to mention false advertising. lol
Me too! Don't laugh please, saw Brittney Spears with my daughter years ago. I enjoy her voice on the CD's, but it was muffled live where it didn't sound live. That's never ever been an issue with the boys. They are fabulous live. Wish I had the time and $ to see them more. Thank goodness for YouTube and the posters that share their experiences.
BJ Fan

Columbus, OH

#74 Jan 3, 2013
Does anyone know if Jon had surgery on his vocal chords back when they were touring non stop?
Miss Daisy

Brookings, SD

#75 Jan 4, 2013
BJ Fan wrote:
Does anyone know if Jon had surgery on his vocal chords back when they were touring non stop?
I never heard anything about that. Perhaps I missed it or, if he did, it was kept really hush-hush. Or didn't even happen. Your guess is as good as mine!:)
Miss Daisy

Brookings, SD

#76 Jan 4, 2013
I could see the guys doing one more tour (or two...depends on what they feel like doing) and then maybe after that doing "one night only" types of concerts. It would lighten the "wear and tear" on them, free them up for other projects or just doing whatever they want to do be it spend time with family, take a vacation to a spot that they never had a chance to go to, or whatever. "One night only" types of concerts, as opposed to an all-out tour, would still keep the guys out there and fans would still be able to enjoy seeing them perform. The Bee Gees started doing that back in the 1990's (I think...or was it closer to 2000???) because Barry has a back problem that forced him to slow down. I have a DVD of their one night only concert in Las Vegas and the place was PACKED and this was years after their heyday. I have no doubt the same would be for Bon Jovi. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I can's see Jon being happy doing nothing...that's for sure! He does have his hand in a lot of projects, causes, etc. but music is his life...he'd make a great producer!
Miss Daisy

Brookings, SD

#77 Jan 4, 2013
Typo alert...meant to say that I "can't" see Jon being happy doing nothing. TGIF!:)

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#78 Jan 4, 2013
Jon has permanent damage to his vocal chords from touring in the 80's and 90's and had to have shots injected into his larynx. After 30 plus yrs of great music, I think people need to give him a break. He gave it his all in the 80's and early 90's to please y'all, thus vocal damage. He still gives us his all and does the best he can.

He sounds more nasal now because he has to push from his "head voice" instead of gradual bridge to head voice, he does a flip in order to keep the tone consistent. They also seem to be playing more of their live shows now tuned down half a step, although they've done it for ages, it seems instead of standard e-tuning they tune them in eb.

Considering the harsh vocal damage that he's had to endure, I think he sounds great. Most singers would have packed it in by now. He's a real trooper for y'all. So don't give up on him or plan his retirement guys... he's not done just yet. What's a little nasal amongst friends anyways? <3 :)

Since: Dec 12

Portugal

#79 Jan 4, 2013
Lucky1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'll have to disagree with you on why lots of fans are here. It is definitely not Jon's looks! Have you not heard him sing 'Hallelujah'? You are sayin' his voice isn't what it was? I beg to differ. The new movie soundtrack also proves he CAN really sing. He doesn't have to have anything backing him up - his voice alone is enough! The looks aren't it - the voice 100%! The VOICE is so freaking amazing it overcomes all those and when he sings he is one of the sexiest men on earth!
In my opinion the new song proves that heīs loosing qualities... i donīt like the voice and the song sounds boring to me. I donīt like to hear him sing Hallelujah either, for me the best version is from Jeff Buckley. It doesnīt suits Jonīs voice.
You may be interested in the music but some fans are only interested in beauty. It doesnīt matter how he sounds, if the songs are lame or not, heīs always perfect.

Since: Dec 12

Portugal

#80 Jan 4, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
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I hope Jon and the band have many years of good performances left in them but also that Jon knows when to pull the plug on the whole thing as not to "go out" in an embarrassing way. Realistically, after this tour there may only be one or two more tours in them. Tico and Hugh are pushing 60 and I'm starting to get the vibe that some members are ready for things to slow down.
I hear you on the poor TV performance thing. With the exception of the 12/12/12 show and a select few other, the band seems to be "off" on their TV performances. I've seen some very poor ones the last few years and this is not good when so many people are watching. In concert it's usually a different story though.(and I say "usually" because they're on more than their off with the live concerts) Anyone saying Jon's voice is just as good as it was in the 90's, or even the Crush tour is fooling themselves though. His voice has changed considerably. I find it hard to hold it against him a lot of the time though, he's aging and his voice is wearing out from many years of use and abuse.(my God, the way he screamed in the 80's and 90's, only dogs could hear him) However, some of the time he's just lazy in his singing, like when he's not pronouncing the words properly.(I have a real pet peeve about him singing Dead Or HALIVE, there's no h on the word alive Jon) Anyway, as someone who has several hundred Bon Jovi audio and video bootlegs from over the years and who actually listens to and watches them, I feel I can say first hand that the sound and energy has changed A LOT over the years. After months of listening to nothing but shows from last tour, last month I started listening to shows from KTF and TD and it really is an eye opener. I bet it would be tough for Jon and the band to sit and watch one of these shows.(and I'm not talking about the differences just being Jon's voice)
That said, they're still one of the best live acts out there and each of the 4 times I saw them last tour I still left with that feeling of "that's why I keep coming back". Things may have changed over the years but I still love this band and the feeling I get from their live shows.
I confess... last year i was a bit disappointed with the show. When i see videos from the 90īs.. man... thatīs rock nīroll, thatīs magic. I never had the pleasure to see them live then :(
Lucky1

United States

#81 Jan 5, 2013
Carina83 wrote:
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I confess... last year i was a bit disappointed with the show. When i see videos from the 90īs.. man... thatīs rock nīroll, thatīs magic. I never had the pleasure to see them live then :(
I'm sorry you missed it. I will never forget a show they did in Zurich. Lita Ford opened for them, and Matt casually mentioned that Jon was engaged to Dorothea. Matt was 15 and it was so fun to meet him as this open and very friendly kid. But that show, I guess it was in late '88? Jon was ON! He sang 'I'll Be There for You" in the most passionate way you could ever imagine. He was literally screaming IN TUNE, rolling around on the stage. I'd die to have a tape from that show! Supposedly his parents and some other band members parents and Doc's parents were touring Europe together. That's what I'd heard. They put on the best show any parent or fiancé could dream in their best dream.
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#82 Jan 5, 2013
Carina83 wrote:
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I confess... last year i was a bit disappointed with the show. When i see videos from the 90īs.. man... thatīs rock nīroll, thatīs magic. I never had the pleasure to see them live then :(
They were definitely at at their peak in the 90's.(although even then there were some "off" shows) You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you go to a show now and compare them to that era though.(and you can't blame a band this age for not performing like they did 15 - 20 years go, it's not fair) Are you talking about the Lisbon show last tour? That was one of the best shows of the tour so if that one didn't do it for you you're probably going to be disappointed in their shows from here on out.
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#83 Jan 5, 2013
Carina83 wrote:
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In my opinion the new song proves that heīs loosing qualities... i donīt like the voice and the song sounds boring to me. I donīt like to hear him sing Hallelujah either, for me the best version is from Jeff Buckley. It doesnīt suits Jonīs voice.
You may be interested in the music but some fans are only interested in beauty. It doesnīt matter how he sounds, if the songs are lame or not, heīs always perfect.
I agree that Jeff Buckley's version is the best.(It's haunting and literally sent chills up my spine) But I like the bands version too and when Jon sings that song you can tell it loves it and he's not on autopilot the way he is when he's singing YGLABN for the 10,000th time.

I also agree that many fans out there are more interested in Jon's looks than the music.(probably more-so here in North America) I'd say at least half fall in this category, probably more. Any show where he looks good, shakes his ass and sings the hits is going to be a great show to them.
Charlotte

Orlando, FL

#84 Jan 5, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
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I agree that Jeff Buckley's version is the best.(It's haunting and literally sent chills up my spine) But I like the bands version too and when Jon sings that song you can tell it loves it and he's not on autopilot the way he is when he's singing YGLABN for the 10,000th time.
I also agree that many fans out there are more interested in Jon's looks than the music.(probably more-so here in North America) I'd say at least half fall in this category, probably more. Any show where he looks good, shakes his ass and sings the hits is going to be a great show to them.
This post hits the nail on the head. I'm loling my friend in Tampa replied to me when I said hopefully their new stuff will be good- " I don't care as long as Jon shakes his ass and Richie's shirt is unbuttoned".

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