Heather Locklear/Jack Wagner engageme...
Tallin

London, UK

#61 Nov 25, 2011
People are far too judgemental of other theses days. Yes they have both made mistakes in life like us all. But showing that they can overcome these mistakes and move on is a fantastic example of life s up’s and downs to show their daughter.
Alison

United States

#62 Nov 25, 2011
I do not know how to add a link (sorry my computer skills stink), but google jack wagner reality show. There was a lot of stories about this right after the engagerrment announcement. He was in negotiations to do a reality show about the planning of their wedding and the blending of their families. Supposed to be contingent on all 3 of their children being involved. According to the stories Heather said no she considers herself a serious actress and didn't want cameras seeing her without her makeup. The stories at the time said that she said the show would be a deal breaker in regards to their engagement.

Since: Jan 09

New Jersey

#63 Nov 25, 2011
Russelllll wrote:
Richie was never convicted of DUI either BonJersey. He was convicted of having a BAL over 0.08.
It is the same thing but I guess sounds better to you that it is just a BAL over .08. Richie's was .13.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23152.htm

I really do wish Richie the best but I think Heather deserves the same from people.

Thanks Allison. Between Jack's new found daughter and the reality show it seems there was lots going that would cause Heather to call off an engagement. Unfortunately to some it could come out that Jack worshipped the devil and killed small animals in his backyard as a sacrifice, it would still be that evil Heathers fault, she made him do it.
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#64 Nov 25, 2011
Serious actress? Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa...... .good one Heather.:p
Russelllll

London, UK

#65 Nov 25, 2011
No it is not the same thing BonJersey. There are seperate factors which make a DUI that were not relevant in Richie's case. DUI is a separate charge from raised BAL.

I didn't want to comment any further so this is the last I shall say to you now. It's a shame that our discussion here has been so upsetting to me.
Jonlover

Orlando, FL

#66 Nov 25, 2011
Tallin wrote:
People are far too judgemental of other theses days. Yes they have both made mistakes in life like us all. But showing that they can overcome these mistakes and move on is a fantastic example of life s up’s and downs to show their daughter.
You have made a very good point! It is also very easy to hide behind a computer screen and judge people.

Since: Feb 07

Mississauga, Canada

#67 Nov 25, 2011
Russelllll wrote:
No it is not the same thing BonJersey. There are seperate factors which make a DUI that were not relevant in Richie's case. DUI is a separate charge from raised BAL.
JMO...but DUI vs BAL is just splitting hairs over the actual results. To me, the bottom line is that anyone who drives a vehicle after they have drank alcohol is irresponsible and dangerous with no regard for their own lives, the lives of those in the vehicle with them and the those in the other vehicles on the road. One drink or ten drinks...to me it's just plain wrong.
dream87

Germany

#68 Nov 25, 2011
According to Star magazine, Heather didn't even set a date for the wedding. When Jack was pushing too hard for them to finally get married, she broke up with him. Star claims that Jack is now bitter, but looking forward to spend his new life with his daughter.

http://www.film-news.co.uk/show-news.asp...

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#69 Nov 25, 2011
Russelllll wrote:
I didn't want to comment any further so this is the last I shall say to you now. It's a shame that our discussion here has been so upsetting to me.
Oh you poor thing, this discussion with BonJersey upset you? From now on, BonJersey and everyone else will be sure to remember that they should agree with you and therefore, it will not be upsetting to you. I can only think that if we all agreed with you and said that everything you wrote was the truth, you would be ecstatic.

Imagine how Ava would feel if she came into this thread and saw all the remarks that you made? do you think that this discussion would be upsetting to her? but that's OK because it was against her mother, the biggest bitch in the world.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#70 Nov 25, 2011
Russelllll wrote:
Just a thought, but some medication that helps people with alcohol issues not only stops the body processing the alcohol in the body but increases the level of alcohol in the blood stream. IF and I mean if he had a slip earlier in the day then took the medication, making a genuine error in the usage of the medication, it would explain some of the situation.
That is probably why Richie went to rehab this year too, he has always been miscalculating his medication and that always gets him in bad situations. He went off the tour for one month because he knew that he had a big problem. Now in rehab, they taught to always make sure that he has the right dose of medication and now all his problems are solved.
lisa

Brooklyn, NY

#71 Nov 25, 2011
Alison wrote:
According to the stories Heather said no she considers herself a serious actress and didn't want cameras seeing her without her makeup.
Whether any of that reality show story is true or not, the part I find funny is this: what does being a serious actress have to do with whether or not people see you wearing makeup?
lisa

Brooklyn, NY

#72 Nov 25, 2011
BonJersey wrote:
<quoted text>
Heather was never convicted of a DUI. She plead guilty to reckless driving. Richie plead guilty to a DUI.
You are FAR too hung up on who was arrested for what and who pled to what. Heather drove erratically and then got out and tried to push her car in a high traffic area. When the police arrived they were convinced enough that she was ‘not well’ that they took her into custody. Did you see the mugshot? If you would look at her in that state and hand her the keys.....wow. And let’s not forget her 3 am escapade of taking out a street sign near her home. Talk about celebrity justice.‘Oh well, since we don’t have actual video footage of her doing it we’ll just let this one go away.’ What a joke.

Just because she didn’t enter a plea identical to Richie’s doesn’t change the fact that she should not have been driving.
BonJersey wrote:
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Heather has been treated for depression and anxiety for a number of years. As with anyone who is on ANY prescription drugs knows there can be side effects and it comes out of no where, you don't have the intent of becoming impaired and in most cases don't realize your impaired you just don't feel right. I applaud Heather for seeking treatment for her issues. I get the impression from your post that people who seek help for mental health issues and are taking regular medications are somehow lesser beings.
Lesser beings? That’s the impression you got from what I wrote? Nothing I wrote conveyed that Heather, or any other patient, is a lesser person because of their issues. You and Russell went back and forth over whose DUI was a greater offense and I offered my view of each. The bottom line is that Richie can (and should) make a choice every day not to consume alcohol. He has the option to choose to not expose himself to the source of his DUI because he does not NEED to consume it. Heather does not have that luxury. The source of her impairment was her medication, which she NEEDS to take.

The most common way that mental health patients get into trouble is through a false sense of security being created when they self-medicate and do not immediately have a problem as a result. Whether it’s because they skip a pill because they think they feel ‘fine’ or they take two pills because they feel worse than usual…when there’s no immediate repercussion, a patient gets lulled into the idea that it’s OK to make these choices rather than sticking to the prescribed dosage. That is where problems often start.

The point of my comparison was that as long as Richie avoids the source of his DUI he will be fine, while Heather is a larger concern on a day-to-day basis because she cannot avoid her source. It doesn’t make her less of a person, it just means she has to make more of an effort and be sure to take that proper dosage.

“Hello Handsome!”

Since: May 08

Sambora Sanctuary

#73 Nov 28, 2011
Bravo to Heather for canning his butt!! Jack Wagner is a lousy choice for a husband and why she put up with him all these years I don't understand except for her low self esteem issue. The man cheated on his wife for most of their marriage but Kristina put up with him. I'd say knowing that fact is what is really behind this...she got cold feet because deep inside she knew he was a bad choice for her. It is about time she takes care of herself and her daughter and stop relying on men to take care of her.

As for who is the better parent, I'd say Ava loves them both equally. Richie and Heather have both made horrible decisions in their lives that have affected their daughter but I am positive they both love her to death. There is nothing wrong with only wanting 1 child and Heather is not a bad person for sticking to her decision. If Richie wanted more, he should have ended the marriage sooner and found another woman. It is the woman's body that carries that child and ultimately her decision. If I remember correctly, Ava's birth was very difficult and lasting close to 23 hrs and resulting in an emergency c-section...very exhausting/painful and she is a very tiny woman.

The opinions on this board will never change. Everyone believes they are correct in their beliefs all coming from how the divorce started and ended. It doesn't really matter though. Ava obviously loves her mother and father dearly and our opinion is below pond scum to her. lol
lisa

Brooklyn, NY

#74 Nov 28, 2011
I feel like there's a detail of the 'kids' issue that gets overlooked. There's a difference between not wanting to go through another pregnancy and not wanting to be a parent to any more children. If the delivery was tough and turned her off to the idea of doing it again that's one thing, but if there was still a desire to have a larger family they could have gone the route of adoption or using a surrogate. All indications are that Heather simply was not open to the idea of any additional children. I agree to some extent that Richie should have moved on and found someone who shared his mindset, but at the same time we all know he loved her so the odds of him choosing to leave are pretty slim. A tough situation that ended badly, but I really do think he just kept telling himself he could change her mind. Richie and his eternal optimism. Maybe he kept at that so much that any talk of adoption/surrogacy never even came up? Who knows. At least now that the divorce is said and done they are back to a place where they can be in the same room without a problem. Can you imagine if Ava was stuck in the middle of two parents who wouldn't even speak to each other? Ireland Baldwin anyone?
lisa

Brooklyn, NY

#75 Nov 28, 2011
Hey look, the icon troll is back! Did you go away for Thanksgiving? No internet access for a few days? Will everybody get one peanut or two?
MissDaisy

Brookings, SD

#76 Nov 28, 2011
lisa wrote:
Hey look, the icon troll is back! Did you go away for Thanksgiving? No internet access for a few days? Will everybody get one peanut or two?
I noticed that, too, Lisa!:)

“Hello Handsome!”

Since: May 08

Sambora Sanctuary

#77 Nov 28, 2011
lisa wrote:
I feel like there's a detail of the 'kids' issue that gets overlooked. There's a difference between not wanting to go through another pregnancy and not wanting to be a parent to any more children. If the delivery was tough and turned her off to the idea of doing it again that's one thing, but if there was still a desire to have a larger family they could have gone the route of adoption or using a surrogate. All indications are that Heather simply was not open to the idea of any additional children. I agree to some extent that Richie should have moved on and found someone who shared his mindset, but at the same time we all know he loved her so the odds of him choosing to leave are pretty slim. A tough situation that ended badly, but I really do think he just kept telling himself he could change her mind. Richie and his eternal optimism. Maybe he kept at that so much that any talk of adoption/surrogacy never even came up? Who knows. At least now that the divorce is said and done they are back to a place where they can be in the same room without a problem. Can you imagine if Ava was stuck in the middle of two parents who wouldn't even speak to each other? Ireland Baldwin anyone?
The subject of children is usually a sticking point in marriages and sometimes when you get married and think having a bunch of kids are what you want then when you become a parent you realize it is not easy. Heather most likely came to that decision and she didn't want anymore. Most women just keep having them to please everyone around them and it is not a good situation. She also had the postpartum depression that is very dangerous. I know someone suffered from that and who happens to be bipolar now. It is very dangerous for children.

Richie knew and made a choice to stay as most spouses do...no wrong or right there but is just irritates me when people think a woman should just have/raise more kids to please others. There are too many "mothers" out there with kids they never wanted or even need. I have friends who don't want kids and there is nothing wrong with that. They lead wonderful lives but were smart enough to stand up for what they want.

The best thing now is that they found a way to be friends and Ava has the best of both worlds. I think they both just need to stay single for a long time and get their lives/medications stable and discover that they don't need a "signficant other" to be happy. Richie made a choice to stay because he loved her and their family unit. Heather ended it because for whatever reason the marriage no longer worked for her. It is a tough decision but she made it. Someone is always hurt when things end but that is life. I am not a Heather fan at all when it comes to her work/acting...she actually makes me roll my eyes and lmao but...I don't see her as the evil one either...just another woman who rushes into marriage without knowing someone very well...7 months is not long enough to know anyone at all imo. I think they both fell in love with the idea of marriage and commitment without really knowing what they were getting into.

“Hello Handsome!”

Since: May 08

Sambora Sanctuary

#78 Nov 28, 2011
guess I am windy today lol...that sure looks pretty long lol
lisa

Brooklyn, NY

#79 Nov 28, 2011
iloverichie wrote:
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...just another woman who rushes into marriage without knowing someone very well...7 months is not long enough to know anyone at all imo. I think they both fell in love with the idea of marriage and commitment without really knowing what they were getting into.
Two things:
1) I just can't cut Heather slack about not knowing what she was getting into. Richie was round two for her. At 33 years old and with one marriage and divorce go 'round under her belt...sorry, but no sympathy from me on that one. You're an adult now. Open your eyes and learn from the choices you've made. JMO

2) Funny (well, not really), but that description could easily be applied to Kim Kardashian. When TMZ broke the story that she had filed they included this little gem of info: The day Kim filed for divorce (October 31st) was the one year anniversary of the day she and Kris Humphries met at one of his games. How's that for a whirlwind?
Tallin

London, UK

#80 Nov 28, 2011

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