If Jon Were Smart.
kris

Warwick, NY

#61 May 26, 2013
Rundem wrote:
Unfortunately this is now looking like this was all a calculated ploy by Richie or Richie's management.
Again,I feel Richie decided to pull this stunt in Calgary as it was not an important venue as far as he was concerned. He knew they could not get a replacement for that night and didn't bank on them being able to get Phil to fill in on such short notice. He was hoping for "resolution" before the L.A. show and it didn't come. Now he is hoping for Hyde Park and it doesn't look like there will be resolution for that either. He keeps saying he feels badly for the fans. If he really felt badly for the fans then we would have gone to f....ing work in Calgary.
Admittedly he does seem to look healthy but despite having no health issues he is still having difficulty with follow through with non BJ ventures.
The tide is turning Richie. Loyalty can turn on a dime and Jon can still fill stadiums without you.
I just posted this thought on another thread but it fits your comments as well. Don't you wish you could have been a fly on the wall when Jon or whoever made that call to Phill X.
Nicky

Providence, RI

#62 May 26, 2013
iloverichie wrote:
He does not look impaired in any photo that I have seen...and not one incident/posting shows me that he is drinking again. He is not bloated or letting himself go as alcoholics do.
I still believe that he and Jon had a huge disagreement and most likely happened on the Monday before over the phone. He just kept brewing about it and decided he had enough.
The lack of resolution is him trying to return and Jon is refusing.
You all can blast me all you want but nothing will change my mind about this. None of you have any proof of him drinking. You only have your opinions like we all have them.
No one has proof of anything. Richie has left. This is the only fact.
A lack of resolution jusr means there is conflict the is unresolved. Why the hell would Jon not let him back? Doesn't even make sense. Saying lack of resolution is Jon refusing to let him back is like saying the color red is actually the color blue, makes zero sense. You are right though that the only fact we have is that Richie bailed on the tour.
galer

Washington, DC

#63 May 26, 2013
When Jon made those statements., i.e., We've been through this before, I didn't take that as Richie drinking again. I took it as, we have played without him. JMO
jovisurf

Key Largo, FL

#64 May 26, 2013
galer wrote:
When Jon made those statements., i.e., We've been through this before, I didn't take that as Richie drinking again. I took it as, we have played without him. JMO
Me too.
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#65 May 26, 2013
Charlotte 6 wrote:
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You could be right but didn't Richie acknowledge that he had been in rehab during that time?
Honestly, I don't remember him saying he was.(but he may have) I think they (the Bon Jovi organization) would rather we believe he's in rehab then have us think there was something wrong within the "brotherhood". I also heard that after Richie was away that May and returned for the Europe tour, he was still seen drinking.
rundem

Sudbury, Canada

#66 May 26, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
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Honestly, I don't remember him saying he was.(but he may have) I think they (the Bon Jovi organization) would rather we believe he's in rehab then have us think there was something wrong within the "brotherhood". I also heard that after Richie was away that May and returned for the Europe tour, he was still seen drinking.
Richie has often admitted to being in rehab that May. He said he had been drinking too much. I also read he had brought a sponsor or coach on the European leg of the tour. Not sure how long he remained "dry". The story goes that it was quite a loud drunken fight that went on between him and Denise in Las Vegas. Boy that Nashville TV show may not be more realistic than we think!!!

“Hello Handsome!”

Since: May 08

Sambora Sanctuary

#67 May 26, 2013
Charlotte 6 wrote:
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Well said! I think it will either blow up or get resolved in the next 2 weeks while the band is on break. If things get worked out then everything will be hidden like it usually is with them. If it doesn't I think if will get very ugly.
This is going to get very ugly and that makes it really sad. They call themselves brothers and I wish they would remember that but we know how brothers can behave sometimes.
Charlotte 6

Orlando, FL

#68 May 26, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
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Honestly, I don't remember him saying he was.(but he may have) I think they (the Bon Jovi organization) would rather we believe he's in rehab then have us think there was something wrong within the "brotherhood". I also heard that after Richie was away that May and returned for the Europe tour, he was still seen drinking.
Your right about the brotherhood thing I'm not sure why they continue to push that concept. I think the brotherhood has been over for sometime. Have you heard anything about Tico lately?
Charlotte 6

Orlando, FL

#69 May 26, 2013
iloverichie wrote:
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This is going to get very ugly and that makes it really sad. They call themselves brothers and I wish they would remember that but we know how brothers can behave sometimes.
You have to remember every thing being posted here is someones opinion. None of us really know what has happened. Things are starting to surface pointing in the direction that there was problems before Richie left. Hopefully things can workout for the best. But if something does not happen soon your right it could get nasty.

“Peace”

Since: Apr 07

Lantana, Texas

#70 May 26, 2013
This p$$$ing contest is reaching a new level. Jon is gonna stick it out as long as he can, and I agree with his thinking ( if that is what he is thinking...my crystal ball is on the fritz lately ...lol. ). He's gonna try to prove that the show indeed does go on. But, it may becoming clear that his shoulders are not as strong as he thinks they are. And, top that off with what I can only imagine is a boat-load of stress... JMO
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#71 May 26, 2013
Charlotte 6 wrote:
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Your right about the brotherhood thing I'm not sure why they continue to push that concept. I think the brotherhood has been over for sometime. Have you heard anything about Tico lately?
Sadly, I think the brotherhood (between Jon and Richie) has been slowly deteriorating these last few years too.(like when is the last time they even did an interview together?) I can see why they push the concept though, fans want to believe it's still there, it's important to them. As for Tico, late last tour I heard it was looking like he'd had enough so I wasn't surprised to hear Jon say recently in an interview that when he approached him about helping out in the studio last year that he got a straight "NO" from him. I haven't really heard anything about Tico lately and I think he's looking like he wants to be there right now, same with David.
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#72 May 26, 2013
Kate wrote:
This p$$$ing contest is reaching a new level. Jon is gonna stick it out as long as he can, and I agree with his thinking ( if that is what he is thinking...my crystal ball is on the fritz lately ...lol.). He's gonna try to prove that the show indeed does go on. But, it may becoming clear that his shoulders are not as strong as he thinks they are. And, top that off with what I can only imagine is a boat-load of stress... JMO
I agree with this. Jon wants the show to go on not only to keep people employed and not let the fans down but also to prove the band can and will go despite what is going on with Richie. But yes, it's becoming clear that it's all starting to take a toll on him right now.
pll

Stirling, Canada

#73 May 26, 2013
truthbtold wrote:
and now we're arguing about a nonexistent book!
LOL!
WTF

Strathfield, Australia

#74 May 26, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with this. Jon wants the show to go on not only to keep people employed and not let the fans down but also to prove the band can and will go despite what is going on with Richie. But yes, it's becoming clear that it's all starting to take a toll on him right now.
Any reason you would make this statement??

Apart from interviews he has to do and the first question everyone would ask would be about Richie. He won't say the reason as it is Richie's place to make that statement. It seems it is business as usual.

Anyone on this forum been to the show?? Do you feel that Jon isn't coping on stage??
WeWantSamboraBac k

Winnipeg, Canada

#75 May 26, 2013
WTF wrote:
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Any reason you would make this statement??
Apart from interviews he has to do and the first question everyone would ask would be about Richie. He won't say the reason as it is Richie's place to make that statement. It seems it is business as usual.
Anyone on this forum been to the show?? Do you feel that Jon isn't coping on stage??
Yes I saw him in Winnipeg on April 5th and he was awesome as usual! He coped just fine....actually I think he worked twice as hard. Having said that it was not the same because Richie wasn't there. There was a void and it was evident. Still loved it though!:)
WTF

Northmead, Australia

#76 May 26, 2013
WeWantSamboraBack wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I saw him in Winnipeg on April 5th and he was awesome as usual! He coped just fine....actually I think he worked twice as hard. Having said that it was not the same because Richie wasn't there. There was a void and it was evident. Still loved it though!:)
Love the honesty !!!
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#77 May 26, 2013
WTF wrote:
<quoted text>
Any reason you would make this statement??
Apart from interviews he has to do and the first question everyone would ask would be about Richie. He won't say the reason as it is Richie's place to make that statement. It seems it is business as usual.
Anyone on this forum been to the show?? Do you feel that Jon isn't coping on stage??
Yes, there's a reason I made this statement. Because in interviews it seems Jon has gone from being quite calm and on Richie's side to being annoyed and frustrated. He's giving it all on stage but is starting to look and sound like it's taking it's toll on him. Think about it. As if he didn't have enough on his plate already, then add the stress of this Richie thing now too.(and it's getting VERY ugly lately) Stress is hard on the body and I think it's probably starting to get to him although he'll hide it on stage and go on with trying to give the fans a great show.

Yes, I've been to 2 shows so far. Winnipeg (great show) and Las Vegas.(not the greatest show)
WTF

Annandale, Australia

#78 May 26, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, there's a reason I made this statement. Because in interviews it seems Jon has gone from being quite calm and on Richie's side to being annoyed and frustrated. He's giving it all on stage but is starting to look and sound like it's taking it's toll on him. Think about it. As if he didn't have enough on his plate already, then add the stress of this Richie thing now too.(and it's getting VERY ugly lately) Stress is hard on the body and I think it's probably starting to get to him although he'll hide it on stage and go on with trying to give the fans a great show.

Yes, I've been to 2 shows so far. Winnipeg (great show) and Las Vegas.(not the greatest show)
Fair enough! What was the downer at Vegas shop?
Buzzed

Winnipeg, Canada

#79 May 27, 2013
WTF wrote:
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Fair enough! What was the downer at Vegas shop?
It was not a great set list and was a short show.(and little things like Jon pulling up those same two girls for WSYCGH) It seems Jon had left it all on the stage in LA the night before, which was a great set list and a long show. Plus, it was the most expensive ticket prices of the leg in an arena that is a pain in the ass to get in and out of.(good lord, never again) Out of the 12 shows I've seen, this one was at the bottom of the list.

I'd been to the Vegas show in 2011 and it was a GREAT concert, made the price and the venue problems seem less irritating.
WTF

Strathfield, Australia

#80 May 27, 2013
Buzzed wrote:
<quoted text>It was not a great set list and was a short show.(and little things like Jon pulling up those same two girls for WSYCGH) It seems Jon had left it all on the stage in LA the night before, which was a great set list and a long show. Plus, it was the most expensive ticket prices of the leg in an arena that is a pain in the ass to get in and out of.(good lord, never again) Out of the 12 shows I've seen, this one was at the bottom of the list.

I'd been to the Vegas show in 2011 and it was a GREAT concert, made the price and the venue problems seem less irritating.
If you don't mind me asking how much were the tickets?

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