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Since: Jun 13

Thomasville, NC

#41 Dec 27, 2013
Maggie wrote:
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What you do seem to be confused about is that you appear to be under the impression via your usage of quotes around the words fan and fans, that your get to define who is a fan and who isn't. Of course you have your opinions about that stuff... like we all do... but the reality is that you are just voicing your opinions.
Any ways... in my opinion... I am a fan of Bon Jovi... and in my opinion... if Richie would like to mend fences with the very very large number of fans who have been disappointed about his choice not to show up to work, etc., etc., then a clear explanation of the reasons behind his behaviour could possibly help. Though it is possible that since most of his varying explanations tend to come off as he is going through some version of a mid life crisis or maybe reading between the lines... perhaps some form of stage fright... perhaps it would be for the best if he didn't attempt to explain his behaviour.
What probably would make the majority of fans less annoyed at him would be for him at some point in time within the next year would be to mend fences with Jon and start working on a new album. That would be step one. Step two would be for Richie to show up on stage at some one off Bon Jovi concert and at least look like he is getting along with Jon and the other guys.
No public grovelling involved. Just like um.... showing up for work and doing his job involved. Though the reality is that Richie would probably have to show up to a whack of concerts consistently for a lot of fans to trust him again.
Just my opinion.:)
My quote marks were not meant to indicate any restriction on what I think would constitute a fan but were in reference to Lisa's comment that I was confusing "fans" with Heather. No judgment of how fans define themselves was intended. I apologize if that's the way it reads.

(After I read your comment I looked back at both posts and also discovered that I can't count or proofread very well either.:( Sheesh!)

And, you're right, of course, that it's only my opinion. I assumed that was a given since this is a forum; but perhaps I should have stated that more clearly.

The only other thing I would add after reading your comment is that it would indeed go a long way towards improving the situation if we understood the backstory. I guess the difference for me is that I choose to wait for that BEFORE deciding that someone doesn't care or is being disrespectful, rather than assuming that now and then making them responsible for making me feel better about them.

Even with what I am reasonably sure some will see as negative statements about the way Jon is spinning everything, I'm not saying that he's a liar or a bad person or that he owes me an explanation. It's just that his statements raise questions for me just as much as Richie's do.

Again, just my $0.02.
lisa

Brockton, MA

#42 Dec 29, 2013
JackieBlues wrote:
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Even with what I am reasonably sure some will see as negative statements about the way Jon is spinning everything, I'm not saying that he's a liar or a bad person or that he owes me an explanation. It's just that his statements raise questions for me just as much as Richie's do.
Again, just my $0.02.
Jackie, I think you're having trouble reconciling Jon's two statements of surprise vs. non-surprise because you aren't recognizing that there are two 'surprise' moments to be considered. There's the initial moment of 'what do you mean he's not coming?', then the (pardon the pun) aftermath of that when you've had a little time to think about it.

To begin with, yes, they were all surprised he didn't show up in Calgary. If they knew he wouldn't be there then the "Hello Mrs. Xenidis? Can Phil come out and play?" phone call would have been placed sooner.

Then there's the aftermath. There's the few minutes later, the half hour later, the hour later, when you ask yourself 'am I really surprised?'

The backstory, the real details, the actual truth of the situation. You're so fond of telling me I don't know all of this, but now I'm going to take a moment to remind YOU that you don't know all of it. We all know about that acoustic performance a few years ago when Richie was so sloshed they cut his mic. Take a minute and ask yourself how many other moments like that have there been that the guys witnessed that we don't know about? How have they covered for him behind the scenes, what have they seen and heard? All of it coming together to create that moment when they say 'Y'know what, I'm not shocked that this is the latest stunt'.

Here's the thing Jackie. You're not a stupid girl. I don't believe for one second that you weren't smart enough or clever enough to have figured out what I just explained. You know it, you just don't want to face it. All of the what if's and maybe's and every other excuse you come up with all comes from the fact that you just can't face the reality that Richie has no excuse. He has no valid reason for what he did. He behaved selfishly, irresponsibly, and unprofessionally. You mentioned that people criticize Richie for potentially ruining the tour but then point out that Phil came aboard and the tour was fine. Yes, Phil joined and the show went on, but Richie didn't know that would happen. He didn't know Phil was available and would do it. Or is that the next Defense of Richie claim? That he checked his crystal ball and knew it would all work out so it's OK he bailed at the last minute. Enough. No more excuses.

You took a whole post to say 'I'm talking about the fan who" over and over again. Well now I'm talking about the fan. You and every other fan like you. The fans who have dug in their heels so much, who are so entrenched in the Defend Richie foxhole, that they can't climb out of the hole they've created. Open your eyes. It's very sweet that you're taking this stance. I know you're doing it because you just don't want to believe the worst of Richie, but at some point you have to face the reality that all of this was just about selfishness. He made a commitment and then just didn't feel like seeing it through.

Plain and simple, he let people down....and plain and simple, that's what he owes band, crew and fans an apology for.
Charlotte 6

Orlando, FL

#43 Dec 29, 2013
The only thing Richie Sambora did wrong was stay with the corporation as long as he did. He should have left 15 years ago.

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kajj

Chesterfield, MO

#44 Dec 29, 2013
JackieBlues wrote:
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Yeah, me too. I suspect there's a lot more to it than, "Damn! It's such a nice day, I think I'll just lay outta work for the next 8 or 9 months." I wonder what the real story is.
I'm also waiting for Jon to make up his mind how he wants to spin HIS side of the story. First, he was completely caught off guard when Richie called at 3:30 on show day to tell him he wasn't going to show up. Next, Richie had apparently been so unreliable in the past that Jon wasn't even surprised when he heard that his guitarist wasn't going to be there - to the extent that Paul didn't even have to finish the sentence. Now, poor Jon, he's had to deal with so much and his best friend couldn't even be bothered - or didn't have the balls - to call himself to tell him he wasn't going to show up.
Jon really seems to be having some difficulty deciding if he'll come across better as The Long-Suffering Yet Understanding Friend, The Tight-Lipped Professional, The Overworked Exhausted CEO, The Sympathetic But Practical Employer, or The Betrayed Blood Brother Who Didn't Even Get a Lousy Phone Call.
He probably would be better off just going back to "It's Richie's story. You'll have to ask him." Because in the last three interviews, his obvious attempts to garner sympathy while casting himself in the most flattering light make him come across to me as A Used Car Salesman Whose Lips Are Moving.
(No offense to used car salesmen/women.):)
I think Jon has shown remarkable restraint and a lot of class in how he's handled this.
raynesong

Billings, MT

#45 Dec 29, 2013
Charlotte 6 wrote:
The only thing Richie Sambora did wrong was stay with the corporation as long as he did. He should have left 15 years ago.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think would have been different if Richie had left then??
At that time, 1998, the band was coming off the height of it's popularity internationally. He had Undiscovered Soul out at that time and couldn't make a go of it then as a solo act, and it was and is a much better album than Aftermath.
Here in the states, Bon Jovi wasn't popular at all with the masses and no one was beating down Richies door to add him to their records or to have his name attached as a songwriter etc...... I'm just not sure where career wise he would have been able to then, just like I don't really see where he goes now, except that now 15 years abunch of tours later he's a whole lot wealthier and can afford to not make money anymore.
realtalk

West Warwick, RI

#46 Dec 29, 2013
Charlotte 6 wrote:
The only thing Richie Sambora did wrong was stay with the corporation as long as he did. He should have left 15 years ago.
So he could have been a failure 15 yrs ago? You don't really believe your own bullsh*t do you?
raynesong

Billings, MT

#47 Dec 29, 2013
As for Jackie's comments on Jon trying to decide his best spin, I don't see his various reactions or comments on all this over the last months as deliberate spin. I just think he has at various times in all this been or felt like all the things Jackie described. The beleaguered friend, the responsible boss, the frustrated CEO.

It all seems like pretty natural and realistic responses and feelings to me.
As for Richie, this all seems like a mid life crisis sort of thing to me. Being just a few years younger than him, I find it difficult to believe he knew so little about himself, the path of his life, etc.......at his age, but it is possible to delude oneself for a long time I guess, to just not look at your own world to see if the life you are living still fits and all that.
As a fan of the band, and it's music, I really don't like what Riichie did, how he did it, or how he handled it after he did it. It was all done badly, and I find it sad that he seems to have no good advisors in his own world outside of the band.
With that said, I do get the need to sort it all out, figure out your life, your role in the world now in the second half of your life. The need to start putting your personal legacy in place, and having it be what you want it to be. I just don't get why having Bon Jovi as a big part of hat legacy seems to be such a difficult thing for him. He has a lot to be proud of there, and while I can understand him wanting to add to it with his own separate stuff, his refusal to acknowledge it at all seems to do him more harm than good
Anonymous

Anchorage, AK

#48 Dec 29, 2013
Jon has always been able to write the story the way it should best be played by the media. Regardless of the quantity of truth in it, kudos to him.

I will never dismiss Richie and I look forward to his journey whether it is back with the band or on his own. I appreciate that he might want his own artistic vision to mean more right now than his phenomenal commercial success. Obviously if he was happy his life and with the Bon Jovi output, he would have been on stage throughout 2013.

I've recently re-read a lot of articles and books on the band and Richie has been a great supporter of Jon and the band's message through the years. Second to Jon he has had the most public focus. I believe him when he says that it was 24/7 for 30 years. The writing, demoing, recording, production, promotion and touring has been a never-ending cycle. Along the way he lost his marriage, his sobriety and perhaps sometimes his sanity. Jon can do it because a)he is a workaholic b) as creator and owner of the band, it is his vision that becomes reality c)he has a whole management team supporting him d)he is very media savy e)he sets goals and plans for the future and f)he has Dorothea . Richie has none of that. But to give Jon his due, he has made them all multi-millionaires and has able to still sell out shows around the world after 30 years even with the absence of his "right-hand man."

I don't know what the future holds but wish them individually and as a band continued great success.
Charlotte 6

Orlando, FL

#49 Dec 29, 2013
realtalk wrote:
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So he could have been a failure 15 yrs ago? You don't really believe your own bullsh*t do you?
Since you brought up shit eat mine!

Since: Jun 13

Franklin, NC

#50 Dec 30, 2013
lisa wrote:
You're so fond of telling me I don't know all of this, but now I'm going to take a moment to remind YOU that you don't know all of it.
Ding! 100% Correct!

FACT: The ONLY thing we KNOW is that Richie didnít perform in Calgary or any show thereafter. Everything beyond that is perception based on limited glimpses thru the distorted lens of the press. The way I see it, there are 2 ďpossible truthsĒ here.

1) Richie has no valid reason to explain his behavior OR 2) Richie has no valid reason, as far as WE know, to explain his behavior.

The ďas far as we knowĒ is the crux. As far as we know right now, your claim that Richie has no valid reason for his behavior is NOT reality. Itís your perception of reality. It may be accurate. If so, your follow-up statement is true. If Richie has no valid reason Iíd agree: his behavior was selfish, irresponsible, and unprofessional.

For now, the reality is only that Richie has no valid reason heís shared. IF, in the vast wasteland of Things We Donít Know, such a reason exists, your assessment of him may be off.

MTV. You asked me to consider if there might be similar lapses and how many times it happened then said Iím smart enough to have ďfigured that out.Ē I canít say I figured anything out, but yes, Iíve considered the possibilities. FACT: I DONíT know how often Richie has let others down. It could be heís a jerk who does what he wants with no regard for anyone. He may be a worthless SOB, only concerned with his own comfort and convenience. Perhaps weíve been fooled for 30 years. I donít know. Iíve never met the man. If I got to know him personally, I might be disappointed. Thatís reality.

But hereís where you seem to discard reality and jump from asking me to consider that similar situations MAY have occurred to assuming they DID. Not only does it seem that you assume the events have occurred, thereby creating your own ďrealityĒ, but you try to make that reality one that I know to be true and simply refuse to face. You even offer an excuse for my inability/unwillingness to face ďyourĒ reality, saying I ďjust donít want to believe the worst of Richie.Ē

The fact is I donít dig foxholes, bury my head in the sand or cover my eyes to avoid looking at facts. Iíve examined this thing from any angle I can imagine and will probably continue to do so, more than is healthy, because itís a puzzle and Iím intrigued. I recognize that Richie may actually be bad news. That possibility exists and could well be true. But the mere existence of a possibility doesnít make it a fact; just something to be considered along with all the other possibilities in order to remain objective.

So hereís ďmyĒ reality.(Itís gonna be a stretch for you, so go onÖ laugh in disbelief, call me Cleo, or whatever. Then please keep reading because itís true Ė like it, believe it, accept itÖ or not.)

What I defend is NOT Richie or his actions. Read my posts. I never said it was okay that Richie bailed or denied that he may have behaved badly. Nor have I claimed that he has valid reasons for his behavior. Iíve only refused to *assume* that he behaved badly or without good reason until I know more. For reasons stated, I believe he seriously considered his actions before he walked, so I think his reasons are important to him. Whether they justify his behavior or clear him of accusations, I have no way of knowing.

What I HAVE defended from Day 1 is my belief that we canít accurately assess situations, and therefore shouldnít leap to conclusions or prematurely judge others, UNTIL we know all the facts. As you said, I donít; and unless you know more than whatís been published, you donít either. At this point, we only assume.

If thatís true, you only ASSUME itís about selfishness and a commitment Richie didn't feel like seeing through, so he let people down and owes them an apology. In the end you may be right. But for now, itís nothing more than your perception; and perception is not reality.
lisa

Brockton, MA

#51 Dec 31, 2013
Jackie,

Short response: Cleo.

Longer response: Richie has his clucking little group of hens on twitter who tell him how great he is, but make no mistake, he's seen the criticism as well. If he doesn't know that he's burned bridges and pissed people off, then he is an unfortunate combination of oblivious and stupid. While I feel that his behavior easily warrants the use of 'stupid', I also believe that he is well aware of how many people are unhappy with him. Which brings me to what I feel is the reality of the situation. Knowing people are disappointed in him, I have to believe if he had a good, solid, valid reason for bailing like he did he'd have offered it up by now. If he had an excuse for all of this that would make everyone say 'oh, OK, no problem' he'd have given it by now. You can do your 'reserve judgment' routine all you want, I choose to take a more realistic approach.

It comes down to this Jackie: If I'm wrong, and he has a good excuse, it's egg on my face, but oh well. If you're wrong, and he has no excuse, you're setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment because you keep giving him a chance. You keep saying maybe this and maybe that. You keep telling yourself there's something that might make this all OK.

One of us is wrong.....and you're the one with disappointment to face if it's you. I hope you're prepared for that. I sincerely wish you a Happy New Year, I just don't think any of that 'happy' will come from Richie.

Since: Jun 13

Fayetteville, NC

#52 Dec 31, 2013
lisa wrote:
Jackie,
Short response: Cleo.
:)

See?? I KNEW you'd be fun to debate with!!

I hope your New Year is all you want it to be, too. And just so you won't be worried 'bout me, I'm well aware of Richie's twitter bugs and I'm not one of them. The 'happy' that will (or won't) be in store for me in 2014 isn't in the leaat dependent on Mr. Sambora.

I honestly believe that his real reasons have to do with Jovi and that's why the reasons we have heard seem scattered and shallow at times; but I have lttle to go there but gut. If that's the case, we'll probably never hear about it anyway.

But rest easy, hon. No delusions in this corner of the world.:)

Happy New Year, Lisa!
Nicky

Providence, RI

#53 Dec 31, 2013
The only "reasons" we can go by are those that Richie has stated which boil down to basically he didn't feel like touring. IMO, that is not a valid reason.

Beyond that, Happy New Year!
lisa

Brockton, MA

#54 Dec 31, 2013
JackieBlues wrote:
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:)
See?? I KNEW you'd be fun to debate with!!
Game on my friend!
JackieBlues wrote:
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Happy New Year, Lisa!
Happy New Year to you too :)

Since: Jun 13

Fayetteville, NC

#55 Dec 31, 2013
Nicky wrote:
The only "reasons" we can go by are those that Richie has stated which boil down to basically he didn't feel like touring. IMO, that is not a valid reason.
Beyond that, Happy New Year!
'Tis true. Which is why I ain't judgin'. I don't think we've got the whole story yet. Nobody's sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting on my 'final answer' anyway, so I have no overpowering need to rush into a decision.

Hope you have a great new year, too, Nicky!:)
Maggie

Montrťal, Canada

#56 Dec 31, 2013
JackieBlues wrote:
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My quote marks were not meant to indicate any restriction on what I think would constitute a fan but were in reference to Lisa's comment that I was confusing "fans" with Heather. No judgment of how fans define themselves was intended. I apologize if that's the way it reads.
(After I read your comment I looked back at both posts and also discovered that I can't count or proofread very well either.:( Sheesh!)
And, you're right, of course, that it's only my opinion. I assumed that was a given since this is a forum; but perhaps I should have stated that more clearly.
The only other thing I would add after reading your comment is that it would indeed go a long way towards improving the situation if we understood the backstory. I guess the difference for me is that I choose to wait for that BEFORE deciding that someone doesn't care or is being disrespectful, rather than assuming that now and then making them responsible for making me feel better about them.
Even with what I am reasonably sure some will see as negative statements about the way Jon is spinning everything, I'm not saying that he's a liar or a bad person or that he owes me an explanation. It's just that his statements raise questions for me just as much as Richie's do.
Again, just my $0.02.
Thank you for the apology. And I apologize for assuming that you meant to imply that people who do not agree with your stance on these issues are not fans. The thing is though, that you write very well, so I assumed, apparently mistakenly, that you were aware of the connotations that your usage of quotes around the words fan and fans would imply. Again I apologize for being mistaken.

As for your wish to understand the back story, again from my point of view, that is your point of view. My point of view is based on my experience of hearing rambling and changing explanations that sound very similar to Richies from ex-boyfriends and other loved ones, as to why they choose not to show up for work and/or why they did a whack of other stuff that disappointed others. Perhaps I am being overly judgmental. But I have to admit that Richie's behaviour and consequent explanations definitely remind me of stories that I have heard before... where all the varied explanations eventually added up to something to the effect of the person giving the explanations simply didn't feel that it was necessary for them to be responsible for their own actions and at the same time didn't feel like it was necessary for them to admit that there were consequences that affected other people as a result of their own choices, etc., etc.

Again, I will freely admit that I am being judgmental regarding Richie's behaviour. But that is how I feel. To say that I feel any other way would be a lie.

But hey... at the same time... if Richie does in the future decide to take responsibly for his own behaviour and does apologize to the people who work backstage, the roadies, etc., etc., for placing their livelihoods in jeopardy and if Richie does in the future consistently show up on stage when he is scheduled to show up on stage, etc., etc.... I would be more than pleased.

I do not require in any way an explanation from Richie regarding his behaviour that has disappointed me. But I am hopeful and would be very pleased if Richie makes the choice to put this sort of behaviour in the past and makes the effort to deal with his issues in a more responsible manner.

Just my opinion.
Neighbor

New York, NY

#57 Dec 31, 2013
Richie is not the CEO. He is an employee.....remember??? What does it take for you poor "souls" to get the concept? The company belongs to JBJ as he so clearly stated.
Maggie

Montrťal, Canada

#58 Dec 31, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
Richie is not the CEO. He is an employee.....remember??? What does it take for you poor "souls" to get the concept? The company belongs to JBJ as he so clearly stated.
And the award for stating a totally obvious fact that I am pretty sure that all the people who have posted on this thread.... who hold view points on all sides of these issues... are aware of... goes to Neighbor.:D
Nicky

Providence, RI

#59 Dec 31, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
Richie is not the CEO. He is an employee.....remember??? What does it take for you poor "souls" to get the concept? The company belongs to JBJ as he so clearly stated.
And? What's your point? He walked off his job which effected many people. I am not sure what argument you are trying to make here?

Since: Jun 13

Charlotte, NC

#60 Dec 31, 2013
Maggie wrote:
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Thank you for the apology. And I apologize for assuming that you meant to imply that people who do not agree with your stance on these issues are not fans. The thing is though, that you write very well, so I assumed, apparently mistakenly, that you were aware of the connotations that your usage of quotes around the words fan and fans would imply. Again I apologize for being mistaken.
As for your wish to understand the back story, again from my point of view, that is your point of view. My point of view is based on my experience of hearing rambling and changing explanations that sound very similar to Richies from ex-boyfriends and other loved ones, as to why they choose not to show up for work and/or why they did a whack of other stuff that disappointed others. Perhaps I am being overly judgmental. But I have to admit that Richie's behaviour and consequent explanations definitely remind me of stories that I have heard before... where all the varied explanations eventually added up to something to the effect of the person giving the explanations simply didn't feel that it was necessary for them to be responsible for their own actions and at the same time didn't feel like it was necessary for them to admit that there were consequences that affected other people as a result of their own choices, etc., etc.
Again, I will freely admit that I am being judgmental regarding Richie's behaviour. But that is how I feel. To say that I feel any other way would be a lie.
But hey... at the same time... if Richie does in the future decide to take responsibly for his own behaviour and does apologize to the people who work backstage, the roadies, etc., etc., for placing their livelihoods in jeopardy and if Richie does in the future consistently show up on stage when he is scheduled to show up on stage, etc., etc.... I would be more than pleased.
I do not require in any way an explanation from Richie regarding his behaviour that has disappointed me. But I am hopeful and would be very pleased if Richie makes the choice to put this sort of behaviour in the past and makes the effort to deal with his issues in a more responsible manner.
Just my opinion.
No worries. I can see where you're coming from, both on the quotes and about Richie. If there was an italics option it would help but whatcha gonna do?:)

Everyone views the world thru a very personal lens of their own experiences and like we said it's all opinions anyway. Yours is just as valid as mine. And at least you're aware of where it comes from. Thanks for sharing that.

If Richie is solely responsible for this mess, I hope that he staightens himself out, as well as damaged relationships. If he isn't, I hope he isn't too negatively affected by all the criticism and that the real story eventually comes out to clear his name, because he's taking a beating if it's something beyond his control.(That's not meant as a slam against you or anyone else for their comments - just an observation.)

At any rate, thanks for the apology. It wasn't necessary - but appreciated nevertheless.

Happy New Year!

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