Congressional immigration debate sign...

Congressional immigration debate signals big shift

There are 114 comments on the WSB-TV story from Apr 24, 2013, titled Congressional immigration debate signals big shift. In it, WSB-TV reports that:

The national mood on immigration has changed dramatically since Arizona approved a first-of-its-kind immigration law, igniting a furor over border security and the country's treatment of immigrants.

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jesus

Dallas, TX

#49 Apr 25, 2013
Fair one wrote:
By enforcing established US immigration laws, enormous savings in education, welfare, incarceration, social services, health care and environmental cleanup costs would be the gain. American jobs would not be "outsourced" in the geographic boundaries of the USA to illegal alien invaders. Twenty seven million unemployed citizens, and the gang is proposing amnesty to lawbreakers! Unbelievable.
Remember, an invasion of barbarians caused The fall of Rome.
Call your elected "representatives" today.
,
you're stupid kid... is not amnesty so make sure you know before you talk. shit.... oh yeah get ur history right.... mr i know everything....
jesus

Dallas, TX

#50 Apr 25, 2013
chicagonut wrote:
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I was born here and so were my parents. So yes, I am a native. My grandparents came here through Ellis Island in compliance with the immigration laws in place at the time. So none of my family has ever been here illegally. Nice try but no cigar.
close but no cigar right.....lol. u dont know shit you think you but i tell you what u are not native and you know so but its cool u have a mouth so good for you... wise people talk becausr they have something to say... you talk cause you are. stupid and ignorant.....
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#51 Apr 25, 2013
jesus wrote:
<quoted text> close but no cigar right.....lol. u dont know shit you think you but i tell you what u are not native and you know so but its cool u have a mouth so good for you... wise people talk becausr they have something to say... you talk cause you are. stupid and ignorant.....
You're the stupid and ignorant one. I just gave you the background on my family who came here legally and that I was born here from citizen parents. If I am not native to this country then what country am I native to?

You act like a adolescent with your potty mouth. Can't you debate like an adult with civility? I sure sign of someone who has no viable arguments is one who has to resort to childish insults.
Johnson2

New York, NY

#52 Apr 25, 2013
Jeff Brightone wrote:
While Obama and Janet Napolitano keep claiming that the border is ‘closed’, millions of illegal invaders are crossing the border and overstaying their visas only to become Obama's sold-out voters for new anti-American revolution in America. In fact, when liberal Elite Schumer who follows blindly the Obama's agenda of winning the votes of as many illegal invaders as possible for GOP defeat in 2014 elections is more than happy about his 800 pages of new Amnesty 'reform', it is time for the GOP to worry or otherwise to stop being the second party in America. The shameful 'bending over' of John McCain and Lindsey Graham to every liberal effort to give Amnesty while bringing more than 40 million new voters to the Democratic Party by giving the relatives of the invaders free food stamps and Obama phone in return for their vote for Obama' could bring to the destruction of the GOP as a party of spineless losers who lost their way of the American constitution. No GOP Congressman should vote for the destruction of the GOP as a party by allowing Obama bringing to America new bloc of parasitic voters that will not work and their vote will be paid for through free Obama check.
Jeff
What are you talking about . Let me educate you a lil bit. All undocumented people in thiscountry cannot vote, cannot receive benefits and 90% of them work and do the jobs most people do not want. Not only that they do not file returns even tho they pay into the system so the govt keeps that and in effect that keeps our taxes lower. Just bc 2 people out of millions were LEGAL received welfare and did a horrific thing has nothing to do with this ! Check public record and you will see who the largest group of welfare recipients are I think you ll be surprised bc you are dead wrong .
I would also suggest that you read a history book and visit Ellis Island bc doesn't matter where I were born Ur ancestors were immigrants themselves maybe even illegally . Just because it was 40-60 or 80 years ago doesn't change the facts bud. Try to be more open minded and not blame your problems on a group that wants nothing more than any of us which is to come here and work and provide for their children a better life and brighter future that's why this is the best country in the world so don't ruin it with hatred and ignorance . Read Ur post again and you will see that U are the one that sounds elitist ! Good luck to you my friend ; )
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#53 Apr 25, 2013
Johnson2 wrote:
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Jeff
What are you talking about . Let me educate you a lil bit. All undocumented people in thiscountry cannot vote, cannot receive benefits and 90% of them work and do the jobs most people do not want. Not only that they do not file returns even tho they pay into the system so the govt keeps that and in effect that keeps our taxes lower. Just bc 2 people out of millions were LEGAL received welfare and did a horrific thing has nothing to do with this ! Check public record and you will see who the largest group of welfare recipients are I think you ll be surprised bc you are dead wrong .
I would also suggest that you read a history book and visit Ellis Island bc doesn't matter where I were born Ur ancestors were immigrants themselves maybe even illegally . Just because it was 40-60 or 80 years ago doesn't change the facts bud. Try to be more open minded and not blame your problems on a group that wants nothing more than any of us which is to come here and work and provide for their children a better life and brighter future that's why this is the best country in the world so don't ruin it with hatred and ignorance . Read Ur post again and you will see that U are the one that sounds elitist ! Good luck to you my friend ; )
First off they aren't undocumented they are illegal aliens. PC language doesn't cut it with me. Second, it is a well know fact that "some" illegals have voted. Third, they are able to gain welfare through their U.S. born children.

It is a crock of bs that they are doing mostly jobs that Americans don't want. Educate yourself on this issue. Americans won't do construction, landscaping, etc. Really?

Many of them file tax returns. Many of them get back more than they paid in through the child tax credits. They do not keep our taxes lower they increase them because we the taxpayer are having to cover their social costs.

So as an analogy as to how our ancestors did or did not arrive here if I have a murderer or rapist in my ancestry I should therefore approve of such crimes today?

No one has the right to a better life at the expense of others or by breaking laws. We have a legal way to come here for a better life. If you don't fall within our annual quotas then tough you can't come here illegally anyway. What about the worse life they are creating for Americans? Like stealing their ID's, jobs, benefits and resources. Whose country does the USA belong to anyway...citzens or foreigners?

It is hateful an ignorant to want our immigration laws respected and enforced? Do tell! I guess every country in the world is racist then since they have immigration laws and enforce them. I can't believe there are people who think like you do. Are you an American? Are you an ethnocentric racist yourself that thinks your ethnic group should be above our immigration laws, a bleeding heart liberal?
Johnson2

New York, NY

#54 Apr 25, 2013
chicagonut wrote:
<quoted text>
First off they aren't undocumented they are illegal aliens. PC language doesn't cut it with me. Second, it is a well know fact that "some" illegals have voted. Third, they are able to gain welfare through their U.S. born children.
It is a crock of bs that they are doing mostly jobs that Americans don't want. Educate yourself on this issue. Americans won't do construction, landscaping, etc. Really?
Many of them file tax returns. Many of them get back more than they paid in through the child tax credits. They do not keep our taxes lower they increase them because we the taxpayer are having to cover their social costs.
So as an analogy as to how our ancestors did or did not arrive here if I have a murderer or rapist in my ancestry I should therefore approve of such crimes today?
No one has the right to a better life at the expense of others or by breaking laws. We have a legal way to come here for a better life. If you don't fall within our annual quotas then tough you can't come here illegally anyway. What about the worse life they are creating for Americans? Like stealing their ID's, jobs, benefits and resources. Whose country does the USA belong to anyway...citzens or foreigners?
It is hateful an ignorant to want our immigration laws respected and enforced? Do tell! I guess every country in the world is racist then since they have immigration laws and enforce them. I can't believe there are people who think like you do. Are you an American? Are you an ethnocentric racist yourself that thinks your ethnic group should be above our immigration laws, a bleeding heart liberal?
No I was born here and so were my parents. Bc of my line of work I might have some more knowledge than you on this so I don't fault you for the erroneous comments you just made, if there were illegals as you say voting it is literally less than 1 percent and would mean their name is on a county record which also means they are a home owner witch would also mean YES they do have a job and pay taxes . Please do your research before spreading this hate. Like it or not we are all immigrants even if you were born here , at some point your family crossed a body of water and came here for a better life as is done now . Something else you might want to research is that I'd someone entered through Ellis island as many in this forum like to claim it is a higher chance you actually came illegally . There where 300 percent more people coming in on these ships than were in the lists . America however with the Statue of Liberty hovering above allowed all these immigrants to stay anyway. Can you imagine where you would be if they didn't !? I can tell you that you would t be in a foreign country waiting for your name to be called on a list for a visa for 10-15 years while your children die of hunger ! No good parent would ! So rather than spread this hate, be grateful they let your ancestors in and pay it forward by wishing the same great fortune for others. Like it or not they are not to blame for your problems. And one last thing , we have some of our greatest allies in South America they don't hate us... Those people that weren't cordial to you as you say , well figure it out .end note, please so your research before ranting! You will be surprised to who the largest recipient of welfare are. "Illegals "do not get a return , you need a valid social they pay into the system and do not get a dime back but they still get up in the Mornjng don't bitch and rant about us white people and go to work , do the same you will be happy! I promise !
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#55 Apr 25, 2013
Johnson2 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I was born here and so were my parents. Bc of my line of work I might have some more knowledge than you on this so I don't fault you for the erroneous comments you just made, if there were illegals as you say voting it is literally less than 1 percent and would mean their name is on a county record which also means they are a home owner witch would also mean YES they do have a job and pay taxes . Please do your research before spreading this hate. Like it or not we are all immigrants even if you were born here , at some point your family crossed a body of water and came here for a better life as is done now . Something else you might want to research is that I'd someone entered through Ellis island as many in this forum like to claim it is a higher chance you actually came illegally . There where 300 percent more people coming in on these ships than were in the lists . America however with the Statue of Liberty hovering above allowed all these immigrants to stay anyway. Can you imagine where you would be if they didn't !? I can tell you that you would t be in a foreign country waiting for your name to be called on a list for a visa for 10-15 years while your children die of hunger ! No good parent would ! So rather than spread this hate, be grateful they let your ancestors in and pay it forward by wishing the same great fortune for others. Like it or not they are not to blame for your problems. And one last thing , we have some of our greatest allies in South America they don't hate us... Those people that weren't cordial to you as you say , well figure it out .end note, please so your research before ranting! You will be surprised to who the largest recipient of welfare are. "Illegals "do not get a return , you need a valid social they pay into the system and do not get a dime back but they still get up in the Mornjng don't bitch and rant about us white people and go to work , do the same you will be happy! I promise !
Spreading what hate? I said "some" illegals vote. Where do we disagree on that? No one is an immigrant if they were born here. They are citizens. Geez, are you really that uniformed?

What does having legal immigrant ancestors have to do with illegal immigration anyway? Or even if one had illegal immmigrant ancestors what does that have to do with wanting our immigration laws enforced today? If I had a bank robber in my ancestry should I approve of bank robbery today? WTH?

Oh, stop with the melodramatics. Most illegal aliens coming here today aren't starving nor are their families. Illegal immigration is a problem to all Americans. Their lives are being negatively impacted by it. No one has said that they are the entirety of our country's problems. Exaggerate, much?

Where the hell did I say that Latinos weren't cordial to me? Do you have me mixed up with another poster?

As for the largest group receiving welfare....
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

I don't mind if needy citizen families receive welfare regardless of ethnicity but I object to the families of illegal aliens receiving any.

As for illegals not getting any of their income taxes back that simply isn't true. However if it were true consider it payback for all of their social costs that we the taxpayer are having to aborb. They have no right to be working here anyway. Why do you think it is ok for them to steal American jobs? You didn't address any of the points I made about their negative impact on our own citizens. Or don't they count?

Here let me educate you once again.

http://factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-...
jesus

Dallas, TX

#56 Apr 25, 2013
Dude stop it you have no idea what you are talking about immigrants can claim taxes through the itin number however they do not get the earnd income credit all you do is talk and you have no idea come on grow up. i mean no v
because you have a bad apple that mean the whole bunch is rotten.... is time for u to be more open.... but i do know that some people never change i think ur one of them..... but like i told you before learn something than talk..... please dont be stupid.....
jesus

Dallas, TX

#57 Apr 25, 2013
Johnson2 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I was born here and so were my parents. Bc of my line of work I might have some more knowledge than you on this so I don't fault you for the erroneous comments you just made, if there were illegals as you say voting it is literally less than 1 percent and would mean their name is on a county record which also means they are a home owner witch would also mean YES they do have a job and pay taxes . Please do your research before spreading this hate. Like it or not we are all immigrants even if you were born here , at some point your family crossed a body of water and came here for a better life as is done now . Something else you might want to research is that I'd someone entered through Ellis island as many in this forum like to claim it is a higher chance you actually came illegally . There where 300 percent more people coming in on these ships than were in the lists . America however with the Statue of Liberty hovering above allowed all these immigrants to stay anyway. Can you imagine where you would be if they didn't !? I can tell you that you would t be in a foreign country waiting for your name to be called on a list for a visa for 10-15 years while your children die of hunger ! No good parent would ! So rather than spread this hate, be grateful they let your ancestors in and pay it forward by wishing the same great fortune for others. Like it or not they are not to blame for your problems. And one last thing , we have some of our greatest allies in South America they don't hate us... Those people that weren't cordial to you as you say , well figure it out .end note, please so your research before ranting! You will be surprised to who the largest recipient of welfare are. "Illegals "do not get a return , you need a valid social they pay into the system and do not get a dime back but they still get up in the Mornjng don't bitch and rant about us white people and go to work , do the same you will be happy! I promise !
he dont know much but he talks a lot.... some people would get the point some people wont.... is nice to know that love is not gone in most of us....
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#58 Apr 25, 2013
jesus wrote:
Dude stop it you have no idea what you are talking about immigrants can claim taxes through the itin number however they do not get the earnd income credit all you do is talk and you have no idea come on grow up. i mean no v
because you have a bad apple that mean the whole bunch is rotten.... is time for u to be more open.... but i do know that some people never change i think ur one of them..... but like i told you before learn something than talk..... please dont be stupid.....
Dude, I am not a dude. Didn't you read the link I posted above? I don't give a damn what taxes they do or do not get back anyway. As I said, consider it payback for covering their social costs in this country. I know plenty about the illegal immigration mess we are in and what it is costing us. It is you who needs to learn something rather than looking at it through ethnocentric racist glasses.
jesus

Dallas, TX

#59 Apr 25, 2013
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statist... oh yeah get you some dude......
jesus

Dallas, TX

#60 Apr 25, 2013
chicagonut wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, I am not a dude. Didn't you read the link I posted above? I don't give a damn what taxes they do or do not get back anyway. As I said, consider it payback for covering their social costs in this country. I know plenty about the illegal immigration mess we are in and what it is costing us. It is you who needs to learn something rather than looking at it through ethnocentric racist glasses.
dude are u forreal. its time for you to do some real research and stop with ur bs.... sorry bud but u just dont know nothing....get real
spud

Wilkes Barre, PA

#61 Apr 25, 2013
jesus wrote:
<quoted text>dude are u forreal. its time for you to do some real research and stop with ur bs.... sorry bud but u just dont know nothing....get real
Yo dog, You're weak. You replied to everyone else but you didn't have anything to say to me. I'm taking that as a beatdown on you. You think that your phony righteous BS will sway opinion but most people realize that your talk is weak. You can't even rebut that your opinion has any weight over mine. Jesus would probably be ashamed of you.
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#62 Apr 25, 2013
jesus wrote:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/ welfare-statistics/ oh yeah get you some dude......
Once again I am not a dude. I am a woman.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/mos...
spud

Wilkes Barre, PA

#63 Apr 25, 2013
Juan wrote:
<quoted text> the fact is most white fellas are lazy I fired 5 last year no show no call! Now I think twice before I hire one!
I could outwork any immigrant, especially Mexicans. The big difference is, I won't work for slave wages and be shortchange on my hours and benefits. You illegal alien exploiters are killing this country.
Juan

Lodi, CA

#64 Apr 25, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>I could outwork any immigrant, especially Mexicans. The big difference is, I won't work for slave wages and be shortchange on my hours and benefits. You illegal alien exploiters are killing this country.
laugh my culo off! I've heard that before?
spud

Wilkes Barre, PA

#65 Apr 25, 2013
Juan wrote:
<quoted text> laugh my culo off! I've heard that before?
You've heard that before ? The question mark is because you should have heard it many times before. Mexicans are borderline workers. They are much worse that Italians or Spanish but they will work for nothing. That's what makes greedy American contractors hire them. I was there dog. Don't yank your arm out of joint patting yourself on the back. Mexicans are a con.
jesus

Dallas, TX

#66 Apr 25, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text> You've heard that before ? The question mark is because you should have heard it many times before. Mexicans are borderline workers. They are much worse that Italians or Spanish but they will work for nothing. That's what makes greedy American contractors hire them. I was there dog. Don't yank your arm out of joint patting yourself on the back. Mexicans are a con.
haha whatever i tell you what mr mexucans work for nothing i make more money that ur whoe family does.....lol..... and im mexican. so now u can come on and say.... whatever u want to say.... oh u. illegal mexican u work for nothing u guys suck uworst than. italians go back. to mexici and all that crap but kniw this nexr time u go to a mexican restaurant take a look of what the owner drives.....good luck with outworking people....so shut up and get to work.....
brandon

White Oak, TX

#67 Apr 25, 2013
Im white and i will not hire a white or black guy. and the ones i hire are illegal. but they do pay taxes.
ashley

White Oak, TX

#68 Apr 25, 2013
Spud you are racist. you need to get a life.

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