Islamic Dawaa: The Obama Connection?

Islamic Dawaa: The Obama Connection?

There are 66 comments on the New Media Journal story from Aug 29, 2013, titled Islamic Dawaa: The Obama Connection?. In it, New Media Journal reports that:

In a recent report on Egyptian television Tahani al-Gebali ... made the astounding claim that, "the reason the United States cannot fight the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood [Ikhwan al-Muslimun] is because the brother of US President Barack Obama was intimately involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. She claimed that President Obama's brother Malik Obama was in fact "one of the architects" of the Ikhwan's "major investments" ...

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Connie

Houston, TX

#44 Sep 13, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
You show no proof, you are just ranting and raging. Not unexpected.
You insinuated the Saudi Arabia was a good place to live. I proved you wrong.
Liar.
Proof of WHAT? You provided a blog essay. I referenced the (sort of) newspapers that carried the story and I also sought out the source of the information FOR the story which was a Saudi women's group. You did not even see where the story came from from what I could tell. The guy who wrote the original essay did not report it honestly, but with a bias and an agenda to tell a different story than what was reported. What evidence do you have that contradicts what I said? I saw an article in the Daily Mail and the Guardian papers. That is all other than his slanted report on it. Complete honesty in his reporting (or yours) would not have made the Saudi man or the Saudi system look particularly better, much less good. Your being honest about it would not have changed anything significantly, except your version could paint all Saudis with a different tone and humanity than they truly have. You falsely (or the blog writer) falsely indicated that it was only an international outcry that changed anything when the protests were internal and big enough to MAKE it to papers outside the kingdom. You have an agenda. Mine is honesty. There is crap that happens there that I cant and don't ever approve of. There are also a lot of good people that want better things for all the people there. I would think that includes the govt, even though that works against its own (selfish or ?) interests at times.

What happened in that situation was ugly and nothing either of us said could have made it better for the girl or made the father look good. But the flaws in their judicial system are not reflective of all Saudi's or all Muslims or even all judges in that country. It isn't even reflective of Islam-way too much judicial discretion is given to individual judges. They don't have a system the way we do and it stinks because it is inherently a viperous nest of trouble to make laws and rules up as you go along. They are going to need to lock down a real judicial system that makes sense, and soon-the people are becoming too educated and the world is becoming too small-the ruling family can no longer play ignorant of the issues outside of their immediate purview.
Connie

Houston, TX

#45 Sep 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Hurry up go there. Don't stay in America.
You have nothing to offer America anyway.
Get there as fast as you can.
Go Go Go quickly!
I may, I may not in a few years. Unless something fundamental changes in you, I have a good idea of where you will end up. It will be less pleasant than a Saudi jail in August.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#46 Sep 13, 2013
I provided multiple articles, from multiple news agencies regarding KSA. All you have to do is go back one page in this thread and you can see them all. You see what you choose to see, not what the facts are. That's a typical muslim failing. That also falls under your problem, not mine.

I will continue to point out your errors. If you don't like it, too bad. You are obviously freaking out, as this is the second time in as many days responding to that one post, while ignoring the more recent posts. That's a sign that you know you have lost, caught in lies that you can't spin. It's all here in black and white.

I deal with facts, not the fantasy that you want to believe, connie. I'm sure you have a perfect ideal of what islam should be. Sadly for you, muslims will never meet that ideal. Your religion isn't encountering major problems in every country in the world for no reason. It's because non muslims are sick of the constant threats, constant violence, and constant lies from muslims.

It's not a case of everyone else in the world being wrong and muslims being right. Use your head. Try to be logical, for once.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#47 Sep 13, 2013
Connie wrote:
<quoted text>I may, I may not in a few years. Unless something fundamental changes in you, I have a good idea of where you will end up. It will be less pleasant than a Saudi jail in August.
Your belief that everyone who isn't muslim will go to hell?
Connie

Houston, TX

#48 Sep 14, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
I provided multiple articles, from multiple news agencies regarding KSA. All you have to do is go back one page in this thread and you can see them all. You see what you choose to see, not what the facts are. That's a typical muslim failing. That also falls under your problem, not mine.
I will continue to point out your errors. If you don't like it, too bad. You are obviously freaking out, as this is the second time in as many days responding to that one post, while ignoring the more recent posts. That's a sign that you know you have lost, caught in lies that you can't spin. It's all here in black and white.
I deal with facts, not the fantasy that you want to believe, connie. I'm sure you have a perfect ideal of what islam should be. Sadly for you, muslims will never meet that ideal. Your religion isn't encountering major problems in every country in the world for no reason. It's because non muslims are sick of the constant threats, constant violence, and constant lies from muslims.
It's not a case of everyone else in the world being wrong and muslims being right. Use your head. Try to be logical, for once.
I could give you tons of links to reputable news media right here in the US, with very reputable reporters about horrible things that happen in America every day. That was never the point of this thread however. It somehow became some diatribe against everything Islamic (gee, now that never happens here!). In any case,your various sources being good, bad or indifferent won't change the fundamental fact that I actually lived there before, so I am not like all the clueless blog readers who can't wait to read about something bad that happens in that part of the world. I know what goes on there and what is good and what is bad about it. And I am not shy to say the things that are bad. The thing is, you are judging the entire place by using the criminals and headlines and civil unrest that is less religiously based than it is politically based. I've actually lived there and I know people who live there still. You have a narrow perspective and mine is broader and involves ordinary citizens and workers, not just criminals and victims. I know some of those here in the states, too, but I am not cursing America with wishes for its immediate nuclear annihilation in response to that.

You won't open your eyes and I have no reason to see after the ugly news of the region. I can get plenty of ugly news of my own region. I live in Houston which has a lot of reports of police maltreatment of people, has a lot of school stabbings and attacks, racial injustice and some horrendous reports of rape and child abuse. But this is a big place and the majority of people go to work, care for their families and pay their taxes. That happens in other places too-bad guys make the news and usually the good guy is too busy living his life and caring for his family to give much attention to the exceptions.

You judge however you will. I don't really care. If you ever get beyond your county line, you might learn a few things.
Connie

Houston, TX

#49 Sep 14, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Your belief that everyone who isn't muslim will go to hell?
I don't. I think that hateful people7783 will. Of any religion, including my own.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#50 Sep 17, 2013
Lets review the evidence.

9-11-01 muslims attack US, 2977 innocent people murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11/01

10-12-02 muslims attack Bali, 202 innocent people murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombin...

3-11-04 muslims attack Madrid. 191 innocent people murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_trai...

09-01-04 muslims attack a GRADE SCHOOL in Beslan, Russia. The attackers took 1,128 hostages, including 777 children, ending with the death of over 380 people, including 186 children, after suffering 3 days of torture and depravity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_ho...

7-7-05 muslims attack UK, 52 innocent people murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_Lond...

11-26-08 muslims carried out a 3 day attack on Mumbai. 164 innocent people were murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_atta...

Darfur, muslim government carried out a campaign of ethnic cleansing against non-Arabs in Darfur resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of civilians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur

This is only a small list. There are pages and pages of examples, all recent. In every single country, there are huge problems created by muslims, especially and including terror attacks. In the muslim countries, poverty, terrorism, murder - including state sponsored, persecution, torture, rape, and major human rights violations are the main course in a meal consisting of human suffering, degradation and oppression.

So connie, don't tell me to open my eyes. Your brothers and sisters did that for me 12 years and 6 days ago. I personally watched the muslims in Dearborn Michigan cheering in the streets as the tower fell and many lives were lost. Right here in the United States. That's why I chose to learn about islam.

Where did I wish for immediate nuclear annihilation of muslims? Post proof with the link. Otherwise, I shall be forced to point out your lie. Again.
Connie

Houston, TX

#51 Sep 17, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
Lets review...
So connie, don't tell me to open my eyes. Your brothers and sisters did that for me 12 years and 6 days ago. I personally watched the muslims in Dearborn Michigan cheering in the streets as the tower fell and many lives were lost. Right here in the United States. That's why I chose to learn about islam.
Where did I wish for immediate nuclear annihilation of muslims? Post proof with the link. Otherwise, I shall be forced to point out your lie. Again.
Ravenclaw, if I could apologize for every supposed Muslim who commits atrocities and it would make a darn bit of difference, I would have done it.If I could apologize for every Mexican drug cartel member who inflicts violence and degradation on the people of Mexico and who causes deaths and destroyed lives in the US and around the world-I would. Nothing I can say about criminal actions does anything to help. We are to forbid(reprove)the evil and enjoin the good-and I do that, hopefully in my day to day life. I would suggest to you that you have a myopic view of all the bad in the world happening from Muslims. You ignore Mexico and part of Africa that are being destroyed from within by Christians, often men who support the church or who are evangelizing. That doesn't make all Catholics or evangelists evil. I don't support terrorism. I do support hungry people-I feed them, I educate them. I think that education is the key to drawing people out of lifestyles and ideologies that destroy-in every part of the world. I am all for educating women, but I think that educating MEN is most critical. Developing critical thinking skills is imperative and many lifestyles and economies are so focused on survival that thinking beyond the next few meals is a luxury that many cannot afford. Men have an imperative to support their families and protect them, and when they have been dis-empowered they are not only unable to provide for physical necessities, they are angry. Angry, dis-empowered unemployed men are the ones that cause problems in all these places. Being in a constant struggle for ones country, ones family-I think it is dehumanizing and thus we think certain people act like animals. It is true-they are angry, lashing out and feel helpless like a caged lion. They take the power they can over the less powerful, the MORE disenfranchised-the women, the minorities, the children-and they lash out at the ones in power over them when they can get away with it. That is the world we live in and it is true of people of all nations and ethnicity. It may look different in one country or another, but it is the same issue. What happens is this: Men who still do have power use the weakness of a group to exploit them-their fears, their beliefs, their desires, their hates. They feed their anger, they manipulate them and they offer something better. Or seemingly so.

I try to educate people, not on stories of glorious battles of Islam or wicked unbelievers or recounting losses of terrorists, abortion, family murder victims, drug cartel or a drug use victims. What I do is I teach them English, I advocate for people to get legal assistance when they need it, education, financial help or a place to live. I help people get away from abusive husbands and counsel that no one deserves to be in a bad situation-and I try to help them find a way to build a life that is not dependent on the man, the government, the criminals/terrorists that offer them a seemingly better future (or at least dinner). But you know what? I can't make up for any evils done in the name of Allah, or Jesus or God or Jehovah or Buddha. I can't even say that what I do is in the name of Allah. I am Muslim and I now try to act as the Quran teaches, but my mistakes are my own. If I do good, it is because of the values I learned from childhood and which Islam reminds me to actually practice on a daily basis. Worship God, help my neighbor. Frankly, if you do that, there isn't time to cause trouble.
Connie

Houston, TX

#52 Sep 17, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
...
Where did I wish for immediate nuclear annihilation of muslims? Post proof with the link. Otherwise, I shall be forced to point out your lie. Again.
I don't know that you did. And I did not SAY that you did. It is a common theme on this board by haters of Islam and so I mentioned it. You can't accuse me of lying as I never stated that you said it. You may or may not have-there are hundreds of posts here by regular posters who find that a viable solution.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#53 Sep 17, 2013
Connie wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know that you did. And I did not SAY that you did. It is a common theme on this board by haters of Islam and so I mentioned it. You can't accuse me of lying as I never stated that you said it. You may or may not have-there are hundreds of posts here by regular posters who find that a viable solution.
Liar. You made the statement below. You were clearly trying to make it appear as if I had stated that. I didn't. Therefore, I can accuse you of lying. And I am. Again.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TUK...
Connie wrote:
<quoted text> You have a narrow perspective and mine is broader and involves ordinary citizens and workers, not just criminals and victims. I know some of those here in the states, too, but I am not cursing America with wishes for its immediate nuclear annihilation in response to that.
Connie

Houston, TX

#54 Sep 18, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Liar. You made the statement below. You were clearly trying to make it appear as if I had stated that. I didn't. Therefore, I can accuse you of lying. And I am. Again.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TUK...
<quoted text>
I did not say that you were and I can not say that you never have. I simply do not know anything other than what many on here have said-collectively. I didn't say that YOU said it. You are however thoroughly included with the haters. Watching you try to 'catch' me as if you can convict Islam based on my supposed misdeeds tells me the degree to which you hate, because I have never done a single thing towards any other human being in my life to take their freedom or damage their life in any way. And that is part of any faith or religion. There are some here who would gladly destroy, in whatever way, any Muslim that they could if they could get away with it-many are calling for laws to remove us from this (or their) country. That is a hater. Specially when I was born here and have committed no crime and have no intention of ever doing so-as do MOST Muslims who live here.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#55 Sep 19, 2013
Connie wrote:
<quoted text>I did not say that you were and I can not say that you never have. I simply do not know anything other than what many on here have said-collectively. I didn't say that YOU said it. You are however thoroughly included with the haters. Watching you try to 'catch' me as if you can convict Islam based on my supposed misdeeds tells me the degree to which you hate, because I have never done a single thing towards any other human being in my life to take their freedom or damage their life in any way. And that is part of any faith or religion. There are some here who would gladly destroy, in whatever way, any Muslim that they could if they could get away with it-many are calling for laws to remove us from this (or their) country. That is a hater. Specially when I was born here and have committed no crime and have no intention of ever doing so-as do MOST Muslims who live here.
It's there in black and white. You wrote it. Now you're lying about it after I called you on it. The rest of your rant is meaningless drivel.
Connie

Houston, TX

#56 Sep 20, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Liar. You made the statement below. You were clearly trying to make it appear as if I had stated that. I didn't. Therefore, I can accuse you of lying. And I am. Again.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TUK...
<quoted text>
Darn right I made the statement below:
"You have a narrow perspective and mine is broader and involves ordinary citizens and workers, not just criminals and victims. I know some of those here in the states, too, but I am not cursing America with wishes for its immediate nuclear annihilation in response to that. "

In no part of that statement did I say that YOU wished for it. I can see how you think I implied it and I did indeed include you with that kind of person because you do seem to hate Islam to an irrational degree. I am still not convinced that you aren't one of the lovelies on here who thinks its a good solution, but you might have enough common sense to recognize the stupidity of such an act towards everyone in the whole world. Who knows? I hope so!

Does you wish nuclear annihilation on the Islamic middle east? Since you keep denying that you said you never made such a statement, could you explicitly deny it now so we both know where we stand?

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#57 Sep 20, 2013
You made the statement, it's up to you to prove it or admit that you lied. The fact that you haven't proven it is evidence of your lie. If you were able to prove that, you would have already done so.

Now you could act like a mature adult and admit you lied, or you can continue acting like an immature child and stamp your feet some more.

From the islamic handbook: Lie, deny, distract, distort, and when all else fails, threaten.
Shun abuses

Kansas City, MO

#58 Sep 20, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
You made the statement...
Fck off Joe!

Over the years you have made thousands of unfounded statements ... well LIES really!

Just shut the fck up inbred trannie!

Since: Dec 07

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#59 Sep 20, 2013
Yawn. Typical of the muslims here. Foul language, lies, harassment, perverse sexual remarks.

Nothing new.

Since: Sep 13

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#60 Sep 20, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
You made the statement, it's up to you to prove it or admit that you lied. The fact that you haven't proven it is evidence of your lie. If you were able to prove that, you would have already done so.
Now you could act like a mature adult and admit you lied, or you can continue acting like an immature child and stamp your feet some more.
From the islamic handbook: Lie, deny, distract, distort, and when all else fails, threaten.
I never said YOU said that. I said that some had said so and no matter how hateful you all were, it isn't something I would reciprocate about. So get over it. I never threaten anyone and you aren't important enough for me to start now. I did not and your quote of what I said does PROVE it.

So, would you drop a bomb on the Islamic countries or not to rid the world of the "threat" of Islam? Or are you too smart for that?

Since: Dec 07

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#61 Sep 20, 2013
Covered wrote:
<quoted text> I never said YOU said that. I said that some had said so and no matter how hateful you all were, it isn't something I would reciprocate about. So get over it. I never threaten anyone and you aren't important enough for me to start now. I did not and your quote of what I said does PROVE it.
So, would you drop a bomb on the Islamic countries or not to rid the world of the "threat" of Islam? Or are you too smart for that?
You have stated it 3 times now, in separate posts.

So I'll take your continued ranting to be a sign that you wont be providing any proof, because you lied.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#62 Sep 20, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
You have stated it 3 times now, in separate posts.
So I'll take your continued ranting to be a sign that you wont be providing any proof, because you lied.
This is like asking a man if he still beats his dog. I never lied about you in the first place, but I think you are an idiot to keep repeating that I made the statement.

You can quote me on this. IMO Ravenclaw is lacking the ability to reason and is unworthy of any discussion. I wasted way more time on her/him/it than it deserved. I repent the wasted time.

Since: Dec 07

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#63 Sep 20, 2013
Covered wrote:
<quoted text>
This is like asking a man if he still beats his dog. I never lied about you in the first place, but I think you are an idiot to keep repeating that I made the statement.
You can quote me on this. IMO Ravenclaw is lacking the ability to reason and is unworthy of any discussion. I wasted way more time on her/him/it than it deserved. I repent the wasted time.
You've made the statement 3 times now, so you can call me whatever names you like. It wont change the facts. It does prove my point about your lack of maturity.

You complain about "wasting your time", but you keep coming back. All you had to do was admit that you couldn't prove the nasty statement you made. In other words, act like an adult. Instead, you are choosing to continue.

I don't back down to bullies.

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