Bringing Ukraine into the European Club

Bringing Ukraine into the European Club

There are 112 comments on the UNIAN story from Apr 21, 2009, titled Bringing Ukraine into the European Club. In it, UNIAN reports that:

Many of us who watched the Orange Revolution with admiration four years ago have become disappointed with its failure to usher in a period of democratic stability and sustained reform.

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Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#47 Aug 21, 2013
Tm Clmns wrote:
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It wasn't communism that destroyed Russia. It was the result of thieving cronies, who like Stalin were crooks and thugs.
Russia never had real communism
and they don't have real Capitalism now.
They just have crony crookery. Unfortunately the Russian people are too scared to fight and take back their country. They like being treated like beaten dogs.
The Pussy Riot girls have more balls than Russian men.
The Ukraine will eventually do well, like Poland and Czech Republic.. Russia will never have influence over them in the future....
When I read how foreigners which don`t know a damb about things in Russia are ranting like this I always have a good laugh.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#48 Aug 21, 2013
Well, let`s back to the topic at hand.

Of course, this is on EU to accept Ukraine or not.
On Germany mostly. Because these will be German taxpayers whcih will pay for Ukraine in case it will be accepted.

Do German taxpayers want to have 46 mln of poor Ukranian people mooching their money? I doubt it very much. Germany has a lot of problems with Greece.
So I don`t think that Ukraine has any chance to be accpted in EU.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#49 Aug 21, 2013
American Observer wrote:
Untermensch-- How does one pay interest by loaning money?? Your concept of economics is as flawed as the rest of your mind.
Koraly--Mark Twain once said that there were three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. You are a mster at twisting all three to your own ends.
Both of you must pardon us if we lugh at your stupidity and blindness HAHAHAHAHAHA
Now go back to your cold war era playbooks and dig up some more gambits to try.
Again HAHAHAHAHA you are soooo funny
Again you haven't shown one reason or fact as to why Ukraine is better off than Russia, I at least showed statistics and you just said its better off because you said so and accused me of twisting the facts or of the statistics being wrong. "Now go back to your cold war play books", you sure you aren't talking about yourself. Just like the USA accusing Russia of resorting to cold war tactics but by making that accusation the USA itself was the one resorting to cold war tactics, hypocrites.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#50 Aug 21, 2013
Tm Clmns wrote:
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It wasn't communism that destroyed Russia. It was the result of thieving cronies, who like Stalin were crooks and thugs.
Russia never had real communism
and they don't have real Capitalism now.
They just have crony crookery. Unfortunately the Russian people are too scared to fight and take back their country. They like being treated like beaten dogs.
The Pussy Riot girls have more balls than Russian men.
The Ukraine will eventually do well, like Poland and Czech Republic.. Russia will never have influence over them in the future....
Ukraine will eventually do well in the future, so in other words you are saying it won't join the European club because if it does join all that Black Earth has to be privatized, privatization is what the EU stands for. And you know what happens when its privatized it gets sold to some billionaire in some tax haven and all the profit goes to that billionaire, so he can upgrade his marble bathroom, instead of the country and going towards people's salaries and eventually you end up with a country like Bulgarian and Romania, two countries why produce nothing of which is under their own brand and their people starve to death while no one cares.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#51 Aug 21, 2013
which* produce nothing.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#52 Aug 21, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Again you haven't shown one reason or fact as to why Ukraine is better off than Russia, I at least showed statistics and you just said its better off because you said so and accused me of twisting the facts or of the statistics being wrong. "Now go back to your cold war play books", you sure you aren't talking about yourself. Just like the USA accusing Russia of resorting to cold war tactics but by making that accusation the USA itself was the one resorting to cold war tactics, hypocrites.
Hypocricy is the main trait of American mindset.
That guy reperesents it well.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#53 Aug 21, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Ukraine will eventually do well in the future, so in other words you are saying it won't join the European club because if it does join all that Black Earth has to be privatized, privatization is what the EU stands for. And you know what happens when its privatized it gets sold to some billionaire in some tax haven and all the profit goes to that billionaire, so he can upgrade his marble bathroom, instead of the country and going towards people's salaries and eventually you end up with a country like Bulgarian and Romania, two countries why produce nothing of which is under their own brand and their people starve to death while no one cares.
It`s more likely Ukraine will be like another Cote di'ivoire, which export is 90 % cacao beans. Yet, this country doesn`t produce any chocalate. It IMPORTS chocolate from Europe.

So crops like sunflower will be cultivated in Ukraine, yet sunflower oil will be imported to Ukraine. What is really bad, is that crops like sunflower, can replace even wheat in Ukraine. Like Cote di'ivoire which cultivates cacao while the population of that country is starving. It will be really rediculous if Ukraine will import wheat from other countries.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#54 Aug 21, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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It`s more likely Ukraine will be like another Cote di'ivoire, which export is 90 % cacao beans. Yet, this country doesn`t produce any chocalate. It IMPORTS chocolate from Europe.
So crops like sunflower will be cultivated in Ukraine, yet sunflower oil will be imported to Ukraine. What is really bad, is that crops like sunflower, can replace even wheat in Ukraine. Like Cote di'ivoire which cultivates cacao while the population of that country is starving. It will be really rediculous if Ukraine will import wheat from other countries.
Sorry I forgot its already worse than Bulgaria and Romania and even worse than Albania. And if they join the EU 90% of the profit from exports will go to some private company outside Ukraine, then they will be told that they are lazy, don't want to work and are supported by taxes from the EU. If Ukraine is going to join it just has to imagine itself in Bulgaria and Romania's place.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#55 Aug 21, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Sorry I forgot its already worse than Bulgaria and Romania and even worse than Albania. And if they join the EU 90% of the profit from exports will go to some private company outside Ukraine, then they will be told that they are lazy, don't want to work and are supported by taxes from the EU. If Ukraine is going to join it just has to imagine itself in Bulgaria and Romania's place.
Don`t know about Romania but there are strong setiments in Bulgaria, about leaving EU.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#56 Aug 21, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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Don`t know about Romania but there are strong setiments in Bulgaria, about leaving EU.
They should leave, its the EU which ruined their countries with their privatization and free trade/economy laws.
American Observer

Winston, OR

#57 Aug 21, 2013
Wow-- a Russian ex pat and a coward who hides his location posting to each other. Each patting the other on the back while they spread more lies nd half-truths. So ludicrous HAHAHAHAHA
Hawk

Kamuela, HI

#58 Apr 16, 2014
After a long trip, Ukraine will join the rest of Europe as a friend.
Skeptic

Swadlincote, UK

#59 Apr 16, 2014
Hawk wrote:
After a long trip, Ukraine will join the rest of Europe as a friend.
I hope to God this is not the case. We don't want to have to pay for these people, and we certainly don't want them in our country. Both of these things will happen if they join the EU. I would rather that Putin had them than that. They bring nothing to the EU except their begging bowls, and they will join all the other unwanted 'political migrants' on our streets.
Hawk

Kamuela, HI

#60 Apr 16, 2014
Skeptic wrote:
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I hope to God this is not the case. We don't want to have to pay for these people, and we certainly don't want them in our country. Both of these things will happen if they join the EU. I would rather that Putin had them than that. They bring nothing to the EU except their begging bowls, and they will join all the other unwanted 'political migrants' on our streets.
Ukraine has quite a bit of natural resources including a fair amount of natural gas that could be release with fracking. One could even make the case that Russia wanting to limit Ukraine's economic development or Russia's desire to invade eastern Ukraine would be to seize those untapped resources and protect Russian profits from natural gas exports to the rest of Europe.

You need to look at the greater picture than just it's people, there is much that Ukraine could give to the EU.
Hawk

Kamuela, HI

#61 Apr 16, 2014
Skeptic wrote:
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I hope to God this is not the case. We don't want to have to pay for these people, and we certainly don't want them in our country. Both of these things will happen if they join the EU. I would rather that Putin had them than that. They bring nothing to the EU except their begging bowls, and they will join all the other unwanted 'political migrants' on our streets.
It is also worth noting that Ukraine could also provide a good chance for other citizens of the EU to prosper greatly, considering Ukraine would basically be a backwater economy just waiting for smart entrepreneurs that could set up business in the Ukraine. lots of potential.

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#62 Apr 17, 2014
Bringing, sorry me, into the European Club WHOM?? Those bandits that illegally occupy now power in Kiev and their nazi Right sector fascist scum???? Ok, here my grandma says BASTA! Enough of those one shot killing initiatives here pls! Do you take absolutely no pity on European economics and European taxpayers' pockets?? One Ukraine in its current shape is going to be worth three times Greece for Europeans! Absolutely hopeless deal...
And talking about that nazi stinking 'right sector', ready to welcome hitler's ideology back in EU?? Oh baby yes, just let's give that breath of brown air to the SS glorifying youths in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania! Silly me, can't wait to see fascists holding their marches in Berlin, Warsaw and Prague!
[whisper] hey, pips! do you mind bringing Pakistan into the European Club?
George

Red Deer, Canada

#63 Apr 17, 2014
American Observer wrote:
Wow-- a Russian ex pat and a coward who hides his location posting to each other. Each patting the other on the back while they spread more lies nd half-truths. So ludicrous HAHAHAHAHA
I was about to type the same thing when I saw yours, well I agree, both are just whining and have nothing credible to say, except they have been exposed to some rich billionaire communist at one time that became the overlord and took all the toys so now they think anyone with money is the same.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#64 Apr 17, 2014
Skeptic wrote:
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I hope to God this is not the case. We don't want to have to pay for these people, and we certainly don't want them in our country. Both of these things will happen if they join the EU. I would rather that Putin had them than that. They bring nothing to the EU except their begging bowls, and they will join all the other unwanted 'political migrants' on our streets.
Then you know absolutely nothing about Ukraine and should do some research before talking. Europeans said the same about Poland and now it is very much a thriving economy and quite self sufficient and Ukraine is starting with a lot more than Poland did. The EU is not naïve, they also would like a country like Ukraine sending agricultural products to the EU and have a place that makes heavy equipment but it starts with an agreement and some protection from vultures like Russia.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#65 Apr 17, 2014
Hawk wrote:
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It is also worth noting that Ukraine could also provide a good chance for other citizens of the EU to prosper greatly, considering Ukraine would basically be a backwater economy just waiting for smart entrepreneurs that could set up business in the Ukraine. lots of potential.
Absolutely, Ukraine is already helping new young farmers come to Ukraine to start new operations, in almost every place of business in Ukraine there is welcome signs for foreign investors whether it is in the oil and gas, mining, manufacturing, farming or just housing the market is there and inviting investors, most Ukranians look at Russia as a vulture that just keeps taking from Ukraine.
Hawk

Kamuela, HI

#66 Apr 18, 2014
George wrote:
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Absolutely, Ukraine is already helping new young farmers come to Ukraine to start new operations, in almost every place of business in Ukraine there is welcome signs for foreign investors whether it is in the oil and gas, mining, manufacturing, farming or just housing the market is there and inviting investors, most Ukranians look at Russia as a vulture that just keeps taking from Ukraine.
I for one would be looking forward to it.

I am personally going to have my investment manger shift my investments over time from China to Ukraine markets as they emerge. It's going to be a pretty good feeling knowing I am helping a nation out of economic darkness.

I hope it happens sooner rather than later.

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