Ryan: Is the charm offensive real?

Ryan: Is the charm offensive real?

There are 114 comments on the Politico story from Mar 13, 2013, titled Ryan: Is the charm offensive real?. In it, Politico reports that:

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan on Wednesday questioned whether President Barack Obama's renewed effort to reach out to congressional Republicans is "sincere." "The question is he going on the campaign trail and campaign against us like he has been since the election?" Ryan asked on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" a few hours before President ... (more)

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Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#142 Mar 15, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Obama is first and foremost the leader of the Democrat party. As a Leader of a nation, not so much.
Ryan is correct in questioning Obama's motives.
I was saying this almost a decade ago. When the GOP passed the Pat Act in which the federal government declares they have done away with due process, I said to many republicans that while you may believe that bush would never use that law, do you believe the next president would have such restraint?

Why was the Pat Act passed if it was never expected to be used? What effect does it have on citizens who may want to speak out in opposition to the government. They can be summarily declared enemy combatants and executed. Due process is gone. Had Ryan filibustered right after this abomination became law, I would have supported him. As it is now, it is just grandstanding. Instead of just jawboning, he should have introduced legislation voiding the Pat Act.
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#143 Mar 15, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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I was saying this almost a decade ago. When the GOP passed the Pat Act in which the federal government declares they have done away with due process, I said to many republicans that while you may believe that bush would never use that law, do you believe the next president would have such restraint?
Why was the Pat Act passed if it was never expected to be used? What effect does it have on citizens who may want to speak out in opposition to the government. They can be summarily declared enemy combatants and executed. Due process is gone. Had Ryan filibustered right after this abomination became law, I would have supported him. As it is now, it is just grandstanding. Instead of just jawboning, he should have introduced legislation voiding the Pat Act.
When laws are made, they are expanded on. There was no reason for that Pat Act and all the other laws. This is growing and growing. We have a system where a hefty percentage of Americans collect from government. If they were to stop for any reason for a month, mayhem would ensue. I don't know if President Bush agreed with or was coerced into it, but he will go down as the leader who legitimized it. There were many martial law edicts passed in legislation before that over the years. But now we see as this is growing tentacles. The next president will be even worse. The last presidential contest skimmed the surface of this issue and even our growing foreign policy around the world. Both sides are involved. Both of them.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#144 Mar 15, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When laws are made, they are expanded on. There was no reason for that Pat Act and all the other laws. This is growing and growing. We have a system where a hefty percentage of Americans collect from government. If they were to stop for any reason for a month, mayhem would ensue. I don't know if President Bush agreed with or was coerced into it, but he will go down as the leader who legitimized it. There were many martial law edicts passed in legislation before that over the years. But now we see as this is growing tentacles. The next president will be even worse. The last presidential contest skimmed the surface of this issue and even our growing foreign policy around the world. Both sides are involved. Both of them.
I consider the unemployment rate to be in the 40% range. If everyone capable to work, were offered employment sufficient to pay for a modest living standard, then I would suggest we would need nearly 100 million jobs. The 47% who is claimed don't pay income taxes are not paying because they don't have a job that pays enough. I consider them to be effectively unemployed.

When the government allows 10 of millions of illegals working, the labor pool is flooded. When the government pays a subsidy to companies to ship jobs overseas, the demand for labor significantly decreases. When these policies are consistent over decades I consider it to be intentionally designed to lower wages and remove wealth from those who actually work.

If we can change 100 million people from getting money from the government, to paying the government for the services they get, then the federal deficit should go away. If we can eliminate the corruption as well, then it would go a long way to paying off the debt.

Are both parties involved? It is hard to argue otherwise. While I blame the GOP congress and bush for the Pat Act, it is also noted that Obama did not void the Pat Act, but extended it. Obama further enshrined our loss of freedom with the NDAA.

So while Ryan was right, he is part of the problem.
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#145 Mar 15, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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I consider the unemployment rate to be in the 40% range. If everyone capable to work, were offered employment sufficient to pay for a modest living standard, then I would suggest we would need nearly 100 million jobs. The 47% who is claimed don't pay income taxes are not paying because they don't have a job that pays enough. I consider them to be effectively unemployed.
When the government allows 10 of millions of illegals working, the labor pool is flooded. When the government pays a subsidy to companies to ship jobs overseas, the demand for labor significantly decreases. When these policies are consistent over decades I consider it to be intentionally designed to lower wages and remove wealth from those who actually work.
If we can change 100 million people from getting money from the government, to paying the government for the services they get, then the federal deficit should go away. If we can eliminate the corruption as well, then it would go a long way to paying off the debt.
Are both parties involved? It is hard to argue otherwise. While I blame the GOP congress and bush for the Pat Act, it is also noted that Obama did not void the Pat Act, but extended it. Obama further enshrined our loss of freedom with the NDAA.
So while Ryan was right, he is part of the problem.
When the laws were passed I knew we let the fascism genie out of the bottle. Any damn emergency severe enough now and the yoke of oppression will be activated at a high level. for at least four years and longer on this forum, I have been trying to get others to give some attention to this. There has been some success but the interest is more on civil rights which ironically will be at the mercy of the police state. And if things are bad, there will be low tolerance by our oppressors.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#146 Mar 15, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When laws are made, they are expanded on. There was no reason for that Pat Act and all the other laws. This is growing and growing. We have a system where a hefty percentage of Americans collect from government. If they were to stop for any reason for a month, mayhem would ensue. I don't know if President Bush agreed with or was coerced into it, but he will go down as the leader who legitimized it. There were many martial law edicts passed in legislation before that over the years. But now we see as this is growing tentacles. The next president will be even worse. The last presidential contest skimmed the surface of this issue and even our growing foreign policy around the world. Both sides are involved. Both of them.
DRIVEL.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#147 Mar 15, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When the laws were passed I knew we let the fascism genie out of the bottle. Any damn emergency severe enough now and the yoke of oppression will be activated at a high level. for at least four years and longer on this forum, I have been trying to get others to give some attention to this. There has been some success but the interest is more on civil rights which ironically will be at the mercy of the police state. And if things are bad, there will be low tolerance by our oppressors.
DRIVEL.
SERFS UP

Merritt Island, FL

#148 Mar 15, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>DRIVEL.
PEDO PHILE
Don Joe

Maple Grove, MN

#150 Mar 16, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When the laws were passed I knew we let the fascism genie out of the bottle. Any damn emergency severe enough now and the yoke of oppression will be activated at a high level. for at least four years and longer on this forum, I have been trying to get others to give some attention to this. There has been some success but the interest is more on civil rights which ironically will be at the mercy of the police state. And if things are bad, there will be low tolerance by our oppressors.
I know what you mean. The term Fascist is very negative to many people and they stop listening. Instead use corporatist. Corporations donate enough to politicians to assure victory on one side or the other. They hire lobbyists to assure all legislation is written according to their desires. They own the government and get everything they want, including the wealth of all those who work. A person might blame the democrats others might blame the republicans, but both are engaged with harming the middle class. All the while they divide us with issues they don't care about.

The nation is already oppressed. Most people are in an exceedingly bad position. Without the ability to obtain their own food and shelter, with little to no chance at appropriate health care, they have little to lose and will soon find the courage to over throw these tyrants. Unless things turn around soon, those with nothing to lose will start ripping the nation to shreds.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#151 Mar 18, 2013
Amazing headline from the weekend - Johnny Boner admits that there's "no immediate debt crisis!"

LOL

Thanks for painting yourself and your party as LIARS ALL ALONG, Johnny Orange Man. We knew it, but it's good to hear YOU admit it too...:)

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#153 Mar 21, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>To put it mildly.
OBAMA is not a natural-born citizen simply because his official father was a Kenyan-Brit and never a U.S. citizen.
Obama himself was born a British Subject in Kenya before his adoption as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
Obama is using a stolen Social Security number, falsified Selective Service registration and a forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
Go find Ted Cruz' birth certificate, birther nut.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#154 Mar 21, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>To put it mildly.
OBAMA is not a natural-born citizen simply because his official father was a Kenyan-Brit and never a U.S. citizen.
Obama himself was born a British Subject in Kenya before his adoption as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
Obama is using a stolen Social Security number, falsified Selective Service registration and a forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
Still struggling with your alcoholism, huh.
alan

Batchelor, LA

#155 Mar 21, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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Still struggling with your alcoholism, huh.
come out the closet you queer and your other post names?

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#156 Mar 22, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>To put it mildly.
OBAMA is not a natural-born citizen simply because his official father was a Kenyan-Brit and never a U.S. citizen.
Obama himself was born a British Subject in Kenya before his adoption as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
Obama is using a stolen Social Security number, falsified Selective Service registration and a forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
You are a birther liar, fruitcake, and right-wing nutball. Please stop lying and slandering the President.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#157 Mar 22, 2013
alan wrote:
<quoted text>come out the closet you queer and your other post names?
Are you trying to get a date with him? LOL

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