Senate vote on guns was profoundly undemocratic

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President Barack Obama stands at the podium at left as Mark Barden, the father of Newtown shooting victim Daniel is embraced by Vice President Joe Biden during a news conference in the Rose Garden of the White House, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, in Washington, about measures to reduce gun violence.

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Gun Control Does Not Work

Seymour, CT

#1 Apr 20, 2013
These polls saying 90% of the public wanted these increased restrictions were all lies. Senators voted against the bill because they were overwhelmed by calls and letters urging them to vote against this bill. These polls were developed by the liberal socialist left media to use misinformation to try to bamboozle people to go along with and support this bad legislation.
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#2 Apr 20, 2013
AG Power Grab

Out of control in Connecticut.

By John R. Lott Jr.

he last decade has seen state attorney generals use the power of the courts to shape public policy in unprecedented ways. Among the most aggressive in litigation ranging from tobacco to guns has been Connecticut's Richard Blumenthal, though for Blumenthal this was just the warm up. Even if the ideas that he is now advancing fail in Connecticut, they provide a dire warning of what other state attorneys general may soon start trying.

In just 12 years, his office has ballooned in size, more than doubling its budget from $13 million to almost $27 million and increasing the number of cases completed by 65 percent. Yet, despite this growth, Blumenthal has gone so far into actions previously reserved for other parts of the government that he often neglects the real duties of his job.

On August 9, the Connecticut supreme court checked Blumenthal for overstepping his authority. The court unanimously ruled that Blumenthal's jurisdiction is largely limited by state statute to representing state agencies and officials in lawsuits brought by or against them, although the attorney general had claimed broader powers.

Unsatisfied with his traditional role, Blumenthal had gone after the administrator of an academy accused of mishandling state funds. The court noted that it was up to the Connecticut commissioner of education, not Blumenthal alone, to bring the case.

Blumenthal has received harsh words before. For instance, last December, New York state's highest court found that Blumenthal's office was "mishandling" and making "missteps" in a paternity case. The Connecticut Law Tribune reported that "the direct criticism by the court raised eyebrows in Albany ."

The state supreme court pointed out in its decision two weeks ago that the attorney general's office had been established in 1897 because of the inefficiencies in having "each state agency and department [retain] its own legal counsel." But in July, the Connecticut Law Tribune reported that because his staff was so busy, the attorneys in Blumenthal's office "will no longer serve as counsel to state boards or as counsel to agency staffs ."
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#3 Apr 20, 2013
Worse, not only is he abrogating his role to advise, represent, and defend the state of Connecticut, his office is now suing the state. The high-profile case involves Cross Sound Cable Co. and represents an unprecedented power grab. Blumenthal sued to stop a cable being laid between Long Island and New Haven on environmental grounds. The suit was brought against the Connecticut Siting Council, the state agency that approved the cable. Just as in the case decided by the supreme court, Blumenthal filed the lawsuit in his own name, not on behalf of a state agency charged with these policy decisions.

Blumenthal claims that there is precedent for state agencies to sue each other, and indeed there is when lines of authority conflict. Try as they might, legislatures cannot foresee all possible conflicts. Courts step in to determine not who made the "correct" policy decision, but who has the actual authority. What Blumenthal wants, however, is something quite different. Instead of having legislators resolving policy differences, Blumenthal would make himself and the courts the final arbiter over policy.

The grab for power also crosses ethical lines. Two of the law firms that Blumenthal contracted with to sue the tobacco companies were run separately by his former law partner and his partner's wife. Blumenthal's defenders claim that other law firms simply didn't want the job. In a Connecticut Law Tribune article, however, a few lawyers disagreed, one complaining that "we didn't ever get a meeting" with the attorney general's office and another saying that his firm wasn't included despite agreeing to the state's contractual terms. Blumenthal's former partner, David Golub, acknowledged, "I know how it 'looks' he's my former partner ..."

Yet, whatever the concerns about Blumenthal giving a contract to a former partner, where did he get the authority at the time the contracts were negotiated to commit the state to pay private attorneys a sum then estimated to be more than $250 million?

During 12 years in office, Blumenthal has grown arrogant. People in and out of state government are afraid of him and are scared to publicly speak about their experiences. The state supreme court has better uses of its time than to monitor the behavior of an out-of-control attorney general.

John Lott is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#4 Apr 20, 2013
If post 2 and 3 are still there this is from 2002. So you can read how much of an ego-maniac and a liar Blumenthal is. Also shows he's been against guns for a long time. Seems Ct. has a lot of gun makers so the media has down-played his role in the co-authoring or the anti-gun bill with Feinstein. Oddly enought there are parts of that bill which exempt politicians from the laws it would create. I really wish there were enough smart people in Ct. to vote both Blumenthal and Murphy out. Even if they don't get charged with the crimes they have committed along with St. Sen. McKinney we might get a shot at cleaning up the billion $$ mess they have created.
Cat74

Palatine, IL

#5 Apr 20, 2013
America will not be disarmed. If you give socialists an inch they will take a mile. They get nothing. No pathway to disarmament. No additional background checks. They don't enforce the checks they have now. None of what the proposed would have saved on child in Sandy Hook. The whole effort it a gun grab, and Americans knew it, and calledtheir Representatives. That is not unAmerican. That is how Representative government works.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#6 Apr 20, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
These polls saying 90% of the public wanted these increased restrictions were all lies. Senators voted against the bill because they were overwhelmed by calls and letters urging them to vote against this bill. These polls were developed by the liberal socialist left media to use misinformation to try to bamboozle people to go along with and support this bad legislation.
Yeah, you know what's REALLY going on here. Don't be swayed by the majority of Americans who would consider you a lunatic. Just stick to your "guns".

According to the liberal socialist left media, most of the pressure on these senators came from the NRA, who threatened to cut off their allowance. But are you going to believe that, or the voices spewing out of your diseased brain?

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#7 Apr 20, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
America will not be disarmed. If you give socialists an inch they will take a mile. They get nothing. No pathway to disarmament. No additional background checks. They don't enforce the checks they have now. None of what the proposed would have saved on child in Sandy Hook. The whole effort it a gun grab, and Americans knew it, and calledtheir Representatives. That is not unAmerican. That is how Representative government works.
I was going to respond to you, but you are so removed from logical thought, it didn't seem worth the effort.
Obama-Hoodwinked -YOU

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Apr 20, 2013
Living in Minnesota I know NOBODY who supports additional gun control.

Everyone sees through the bama smoke screen rying to use Sandy Hook as evidence that more gun control is needed when everyone with 1/2 a brain knows no inplace laws OR proposed laws were broken by Adam Lanza or his mother. Adam used legal guns that his mother bought. Even the most strict laws allow family transfer of firearms without background check. Minnesota liberal legislators support family transfers of firearms without a background check.
Gun Control Does Not Work

Seymour, CT

#9 Apr 20, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, you know what's REALLY going on here. Don't be swayed by the majority of Americans who would consider you a lunatic. Just stick to your "guns".
According to the liberal socialist left media, most of the pressure on these senators came from the NRA, who threatened to cut off their allowance. But are you going to believe that, or the voices spewing out of your diseased brain?
Logic would dictate that if 90% were sssooooo passionate with wanting these unless restrictions, our legislators would have voted for it, or they would face not being re-elected. I did see a poll that had quite different results. It was 30% wanted the new restrictions while 70% did not.

Did the NRA play a part? It sure did with nearly 6 million people that are constituents of these Senators.

Face it a majority of the people see through the social lib scam to abolish the 2 Amendment, and we don't want it.
Cat74

Barrington, IL

#10 Apr 20, 2013
You say I am removed from reality, but can't help youself from answering my post, you are a real nut case, Larry. Get professional help quickly. LOL

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#11 Apr 20, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
<quoted text>
Logic would dictate that if 90% were sssooooo passionate with wanting these unless restrictions, our legislators would have voted for it, or they would face not being re-elected. I did see a poll that had quite different results. It was 30% wanted the new restrictions while 70% did not.
Did the NRA play a part? It sure did with nearly 6 million people that are constituents of these Senators.
Face it a majority of the people see through the social lib scam to abolish the 2 Amendment, and we don't want it.
First of all, the vast majority of NRA members are among the 90% who favor background checks.
It is true that most don't rate it as their top priority, but the overwhelming sentiment favors universal background checks. The rank and file of the NRA do not directly profit from the gun manufacturers, but the top officials do, so much so that they have enough senators in their pockets to block a law that any sane person would agree is necessary.

In a so-called civilized society, there is no rational argument for allowing any maniac to have a firearm. Background checks not only help protect our safety, but they do not violate your precious second amendment.
Gun Control Does Not Work

Seymour, CT

#12 Apr 21, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, the vast majority of NRA members are among the 90% who favor background checks.
It is true that most don't rate it as their top priority, but the overwhelming sentiment favors universal background checks. The rank and file of the NRA do not directly profit from the gun manufacturers, but the top officials do, so much so that they have enough senators in their pockets to block a law that any sane person would agree is necessary.
In a so-called civilized society, there is no rational argument for allowing any maniac to have a firearm. Background checks not only help protect our safety, but they do not violate your precious second amendment.
We already have background checks for firearms. The left media's polls are lying. If someone is such a "maniac" why are they walking the street? Shouldn't "maniacs" be incarcerated or institutionalized?
myth

Charlestown, IN

#13 Apr 21, 2013
Gun laws according to the constitution are in acceptance with Article VI , and those found unfit for militia Duty will be ineligible to correctly possess or own firearms (b)or firearms-like items such as pressure cooker or box cutter . Pressure cookers were used on 9/11 it is a known M.O. of the 'terrorists' . Now they again try an attack using box cutters to cut off limbs of people and hide in smoke bomb filled anonymity .One chance to stop them is to recall the 753Million guns in the USA immediately . Republican congressman Schiff vowed to make gun ownership a priority in his term . Ban saniflush and liquid drano . With the $25Trillion Herr Rothschild has charged the USA to oversee the monetary system over the past 99 Years one could provide top comfort and luxury for all for the same half Trillion a year . The US owns no gold , it is owned by Herr Rothschild . After cousin FDRooosevelt raided the Mints gold reserves and had the public turn in their gold Lord Rothschild took it in lieu of paper as payment of the 'debt' . The Lion of Judah is the Crown of England's Royal Lion . Queen Elizabeth 2nd , the 14th cousin fellow Jew George Bush , traces her Jewish ancestry back centuries . But she has no more royal blood in her than you or I . Ten Years after Iraq was declared to be an eminent threat US soldiers still are there . The regime was toppled within 90 days . Now the people of Iraq no longer get the benefits of natural resources like petroleum . With the temporary governenemy the oil was put into privateers or pirates hands . There are bogeymen in the world . hand
Cat74

Palatine, IL

#14 Apr 21, 2013
Only felons, and the crazy people the Democrats let have firearms are ineligible to own firearms. Every other American has the right of the 2nd amendment.
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#15 Apr 21, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
Written like a teadead commie.
Gun Control Does Not Work

Seymour, CT

#16 Apr 21, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
America will not be disarmed. If you give socialists an inch they will take a mile. They get nothing. No pathway to disarmament. No additional background checks. They don't enforce the checks they have now. None of what the proposed would have saved on child in Sandy Hook. The whole effort it a gun grab, and Americans knew it, and calledtheir Representatives. That is not unAmerican. That is how Representative government works.
Exactly correct.
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#17 Apr 21, 2013
myth wrote:
Gun laws according to the constitution are in acceptance with Article VI , and those found unfit for militia Duty will be ineligible to correctly possess or own firearms (b)or firearms-like items such as pressure cooker or box cutter . Pressure cookers were used on 9/11 it is a known M.O. of the 'terrorists'. Now they again try an attack using box cutters to cut off limbs of people and hide in smoke bomb filled anonymity .One chance to stop them is to recall the 753Million guns in the USA immediately . Republican congressman Schiff vowed to make gun ownership a priority in his term . Ban saniflush and liquid drano . With the $25Trillion Herr Rothschild has charged the USA to oversee the monetary system over the past 99 Years one could provide top comfort and luxury for all for the same half Trillion a year . The US owns no gold , it is owned by Herr Rothschild . After cousin FDRooosevelt raided the Mints gold reserves and had the public turn in their gold Lord Rothschild took it in lieu of paper as payment of the 'debt'. The Lion of Judah is the Crown of England's Royal Lion . Queen Elizabeth 2nd , the 14th cousin fellow Jew George Bush , traces her Jewish ancestry back centuries . But she has no more royal blood in her than you or I . Ten Years after Iraq was declared to be an eminent threat US soldiers still are there . The regime was toppled within 90 days . Now the people of Iraq no longer get the benefits of natural resources like petroleum . With the temporary governenemy the oil was put into privateers or pirates hands . There are bogeymen in the world . hand
.......I would think the Lion would have been entered into the coat of arms during the reign of Richard the Lionhearted. He also had a few Crusades into the west, I think, against Saladin. This would be also in the time of the Templars. All those countries have seen war for over a thousand yeras now, and they are still not colonies or posessions, at least not yet. There are some financial/mineral rights vampires on them, but the people still are the people. Sad, Bagdahd, the cradle of civilization and Africa, the cradle of life.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#18 Apr 21, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
<quoted text>
We already have background checks for firearms. The left media's polls are lying. If someone is such a "maniac" why are they walking the street? Shouldn't "maniacs" be incarcerated or institutionalized?
First of all, it is hard to spot a "maniac" until he does something maniacal, like mass murder.

As to your claim about present backround checks, they are not required for sales at gun shows or over the internet. That amounts to about 40% of all sales.

I note your refusal to accept polling data that are scientifically obtained. That seems to be the aberrent thinking of people on your side of this issue. No one is conspiring to fudge the data. The numbers are real.
Gun Control Does Not Work

Seymour, CT

#19 Apr 21, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, it is hard to spot a "maniac" until he does something maniacal, like mass murder.
As to your claim about present backround checks, they are not required for sales at gun shows or over the internet. That amounts to about 40% of all sales.
I note your refusal to accept polling data that are scientifically obtained. That seems to be the aberrent thinking of people on your side of this issue. No one is conspiring to fudge the data. The numbers are real.
If we can't spot a "maniac" until they do something, why bother with background checks? This too is a reason why law abiding citizens should not be further restricted as they are the only ones punished by this useless legislation.

This Internet sale of firearms is another liberal socialist urban legend. The Internet sites that advertise gun sales all go through a Federal Firearms Licensee. Thus a background check for each sale is completed. Check one of the sites for yourself and see.

I refuse to accept the liberal polls because they are not scientific, nor are they representative of the general population. The Q polls are all conducted in heavily liberal democratic populations hence the results. If these numbers were real the legislation would have passed. Do you really think that the NRA with 5 million members would have that much influence as compared to the entire US population of about 315 million. Your 90% of 315 million is about 283.5 million are in favor of this legislation. There would be NO WAY the Senate would not listen to 90% of their constituents. The polls are mere misinformation disseminated by the liberal left attempting to bamboozled the uninformed and gain popularity for this legislation.
myth

Charlestown, IN

#21 Apr 21, 2013
Not merely the left . The Democrat party was usurped by the Zionist Jews first , true . But not not let's forget the Zionist Jews in the Republican party Bush and his followers . To choose between Democrat and republican denies the Constitutionalists and Freewillers the Freemen and Patriots . It is USA not JewSA . But from looking at the names in politics one would wonder .

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