States with strict gun laws found to ...

States with strict gun laws found to have fewer shooting deaths

There are 5075 comments on the Reuters story from Mar 7, 2013, titled States with strict gun laws found to have fewer shooting deaths. In it, Reuters reports that:

States that have more laws restricting gun ownership have lower rates of death from shootings, both suicides and homicides, a study by researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University found.

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Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3999 Apr 16, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly one of the under-educated masses, Boie? You better start reading books on the U.S. Constitution, so you don't continue to make an asp of yourself...
ROTFLMAO!!!! You're talking about the Constitution, chica?!?!?!?!

And still not declaration of war?!?!?!

You're a hoot! No wonder I love this comedy channel!
States with strict gun

Islamabad, Pakistan

#4000 Apr 17, 2013
(Reuters)- States that have more laws restricting gun ownership have lower rates of death from shootings, both suicides and homicides, a study by researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University found.

States with the most laws on gun ownership, including Massachusetts and New Jersey, have 42 percent lower rates of death from guns than those with the least restrictions, including Utah and Oklahoma, according to the study, published on Wednesday in the online edition of JAMA Internal Medicine.

The study was released as a Senate committee approved new gun-control measures backed by President Barack Obama to crack down on illegal trafficking in firearms in the wake of the December massacre at a Connecticut elementary school.

Based on data from 2007 through 2010, the study looked at the relationship between the number of restrictions states placed on gun ownership -- from background checks on gun buyers to bans on military-style assault weapons -- and the number of gun-related homicides and suicides reported.

The most likely link between the strictness of a state's gun regulations and the number of shootings was that in states with more restrictive gun control laws, fewer households own guns, the study's lead author, Dr. Eric Fleeger, said on Thursday.

"One of the questions that is always raised in this debate is,'Do laws make a difference?' There are many people who will try to argue that laws don't make a difference, don't bother passing them, let people do what they want," Fleeger said.

"Our study really suggests the opposite. The states that have taken the time and thought to pass this legislation, we see lower rates of firearms fatalities."

The study determined the strictness of a state's gun regulations by assigning a point value to different rules -- from one point for rules against guns in the workplace to six points for rules regulating how gun dealers may operate. The points for each state were totaled to determine which had the most restrictive gun-control regimes.

The data was compared with federal figures on the number of deaths caused by guns, both homicides and suicides, in each state.

Noting that little academic research is done on the link between firearms and public health in the United States, largely due to restrictions on federal funding for such research, Fleeger said he hoped the findings would influence debate on gun-control laws.

The authors cautioned that their methods did not prove any cause and effect connection between firearms laws and deaths, and that factors including how effectively the laws were enforced could undermine their conclusions.

Proponents of gun control argue that restricting access to weapons and ammunition could lower the number of shootings the United States experiences each year, while gun-rights advocates note that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects the right to possess weaponry and contend that laws restricting gun ownership do little to deter the criminal use of guns.
(Reporting By Scott Malone; Editing by Cynthia Johnston, Bob Burgdorfer and Leslie Adler)
Aphelion

Satellite Beach, FL

#4001 Apr 17, 2013
The tough gun laws in Massachusetts do not appear to have made much difference in reducing deaths and injuries from guns. Murders committed with firearms, gun-related assaults and robberies, and gunshot injuries have all risen since the state passed a comprehensive package of gun laws in 1998, according to FBI and state data.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusett...

Gun Violence: Detroit, Michigan
Population: 703,585
Gun homicides in 2012: 333
Gun homicides per 100,000 people: 47.5

Gun Violence: Baltimore, Maryland (supposed strict gun laws)
Population: 619,493
Gun homicides in 2012: 183
Gun homicides per 100,000 people: 29.5

Gun Violence: Oakland, California (supposed strict gun laws)
Population: 395,817
Gun homicides in 2012: 108
Gun homicides per 100,000 people: 27.3

Gun Violence: Chicago, Illinois (supposed strict gun laws)
Population: 2.7 million
Gun homicides in 2012: 444
Gun homicides per 100,000 people: 16.4

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#4002 Apr 17, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Once again you prove your ability to not comprehend what's in front of you. Poor pookie, still in a tailspin of stupidity.
Show me what part of the actual wording of the 2nd Amendment justifies the populace in 'overthrowing the government,' Puddinhead. Talk about lack of comprehension!
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly one of the under-educated masses, Boie? You better start reading books on the U.S. Constitution, so you don't continue to make an asp of yourself...
I can read the 2nd Amendment, can you? Not "books about it," but the ACTUAL AMENDMENT. What does it say? Where's the part about 'overthrowing the government,' you ignorant trash?
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG, dimwit:
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms..."--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers No. 28.
Once again li'l boy Davy quote-mines in support of his views, but only manages to look like a fool dependent on the opinions of 18th centry dead guys.
AGAIN, asswipe, WHERE IN THE 2ND DOES IT SAY GUNS ARE FOR REVOLUTION??

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4003 Apr 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me what part of the actual wording of the 2nd Amendment justifies the populace in 'overthrowing the government,' Puddinhead. Talk about lack of comprehension!
<quoted text>
I can read the 2nd Amendment, can you? Not "books about it," but the ACTUAL AMENDMENT. What does it say? Where's the part about 'overthrowing the government,' you ignorant trash?
<quoted text>
AGAIN, asswipe, WHERE IN THE 2ND DOES IT SAY GUNS ARE FOR REVOLUTION??
Why do you distort what I said. It really makes you look weaker. The second amendment is to protect the individual from an over active federal government.

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

The right to bear arms predates the Bill of Rights; the Second Amendment was based partially on the right to bear arms in English common-law, and was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This right was described by Blackstone as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense, resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state. Academic inquiry into the purpose,[1][2] scope,[3] and effect[4] of the amendment has been controversial[5][6][7] and subject to numerous interpretations.[8]

In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), the Supreme Court ruled that "[t]he right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government."

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4006 Apr 17, 2013
Kunter wrote:
Take all guns and destroy them
Since you can't control other countries, that would leave us defensless.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#4007 Apr 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me what part of the actual wording of the 2nd Amendment justifies the populace in 'overthrowing the government,' Puddinhead. Talk about lack of comprehension!
<quoted text>
I can read the 2nd Amendment, can you? Not "books about it," but the ACTUAL AMENDMENT. What does it say? Where's the part about 'overthrowing the government,' you ignorant trash?
<quoted text>
AGAIN, asswipe, WHERE IN THE 2ND DOES IT SAY GUNS ARE FOR REVOLUTION??
You're calling people toilet paper, and you..expect someone to believe anything you say?? You are truly a product of your sophomoric teachers, and lack of proper English?
That is why you need to read books to explain it.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#4008 Apr 17, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>You're calling people toilet paper, and you..expect someone to believe anything you say?? You are truly a product of your sophomoric teachers, and lack of proper English?
That is why you need to read books to explain it.
lol! And you're talking about "credibility," son?

Reading won't help you!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#4010 Apr 17, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! And you're talking about "credibility," son?
Reading won't help you!
Duck, Dodge, and Deny, Credibility isn't in your baillywick, either?

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4011 Apr 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me what part of the actual wording of the 2nd Amendment justifies the populace in 'overthrowing the government,' Puddinhead. Talk about lack of comprehension!
<quoted text>
I can read the 2nd Amendment, can you? Not "books about it," but the ACTUAL AMENDMENT. What does it say? Where's the part about 'overthrowing the government,' you ignorant trash?
<quoted text>
AGAIN, asswipe, WHERE IN THE 2ND DOES IT SAY GUNS ARE FOR REVOLUTION??
Read it and weep pookie. You loons are on the wrong side of history..........again.

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“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4012 Apr 17, 2013
Kunter wrote:
<quoted text>
GOOOOOODDDDDD
LONG BEFORE SEQUESTER WAS EVEN ON THE RADAY…………

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Concerned Citizen

Hamilton, OH

#4013 Apr 17, 2013
Well, how would this proposed gun control bill, firearms safety bill, or whatever they're called, be applied to the ATFE "Fast-and-Furious" gun running campaign and how would Eric Holder be held, if not as an instigator at the very least leading the cover-up. As it is well known, under the Fast-and-Furious operation the ATFE and Holder’s Justice Department forced firearms dealers to break the law and sell under protest to questionable buyers. Some of which could not pass the current background check requirements. These sales lead to thousands of deaths; which continues today, and a US Border Patrol Agent. If gun laws are passed, who is charged with enforcing them…Holder’s Justice Department that’s who; a person held in Contempt of Congress for the lies he told during the Congressional Hearings on Fast-and -Furious. Besides, show me just one instance where the current gun laws have saved a life…just one life. And, then tell me how these newly proposed gun laws will save just one life. If you can, then you’re smarter than our President. Vice President, Bloomburg, and all the other gun control advocates who have said they won’t do anything to stop gun violence.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#4014 Apr 17, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Since you can't control other countries, that would leave us defensless.
LOL...except for all those mortars, bombs, planes, rockets, submarines, ICBMs, nuclear weapons...

Moron.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#4015 Apr 17, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>You're calling people toilet paper, and you..expect someone to believe anything you say?? You are truly a product of your sophomoric teachers, and lack of proper English?
That is why you need to read books to explain it.
Thanks for your concession. Dismissed.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#4016 Apr 17, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
Well, how would this proposed gun control bill, firearms safety bill, or whatever they're called, be applied to the ATFE "Fast-and-Furious" gun running campaign and how would Eric Holder be held, if not as an instigator at the very least leading the cover-up. As it is well known, under the Fast-and-Furious operation the ATFE and Holder’s Justice Department forced firearms dealers to break the law and sell under protest to questionable buyers. Some of which could not pass the current background check requirements. These sales lead to thousands of deaths; which continues today, and a US Border Patrol Agent. If gun laws are passed, who is charged with enforcing them…Holder’s Justice Department that’s who; a person held in Contempt of Congress for the lies he told during the Congressional Hearings on Fast-and -Furious. Besides, show me just one instance where the current gun laws have saved a life…just one life. And, then tell me how these newly proposed gun laws will save just one life. If you can, then you’re smarter than our President. Vice President, Bloomburg, and all the other gun control advocates who have said they won’t do anything to stop gun violence.
Virtually everything you say in that post is completely wrong, if not an out-and-out lie.

Fast and Furious was a botched attempt by ATF, not Holder personally, to trace straw purchases of guns at border-area gun shops, guns which were then 'walking' across the border. Instead of tracing and ending this illicit trade, it instead LOST a bunch of guns which themselves ended up across the border.

Please, inform yourself of the FACTS before blathering this weak nonsense.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4017 Apr 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL...except for all those mortars, bombs, planes, rockets, submarines, ICBMs, nuclear weapons...
Moron.
Oh, so you do agree we should be able to own them as citizens.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#4018 Apr 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Virtually everything you say in that post is completely wrong, if not an out-and-out lie.
Fast and Furious was a botched attempt by ATF, not Holder personally, to trace straw purchases of guns at border-area gun shops, guns which were then 'walking' across the border. Instead of tracing and ending this illicit trade, it instead LOST a bunch of guns which themselves ended up across the border.
Please, inform yourself of the FACTS before blathering this weak nonsense.
Everythings a lie to your unless it's a line from the Simpsons.
Hank

United States

#4021 Apr 17, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
540 gun related deaths in Chicago last year.
17 already this year.
Guns are illegal in Chicago and Illinois requires a F.O.I.D. to buy guns, ammo, even BB's.
Obviously, gun control doesn't work in Illinois.
or New York, or Washington DC......

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#4024 Apr 18, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed."
{click}

If you don't like the Second Amendment the way it is, GayDavy, why don't you try to change it to your version?

PS: Thanks for proving you don't even know the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#4025 Apr 18, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
- The Hon. Mr.[Theodore] Sedgwick, Thursday January 24, 1788
Dead 200 years and never a Supreme court judge.

Here's the majority opinion of the current Supreme Court:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Justice Scalia
Speaking for the SCOTUS majority
this century

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