Obama To Russia: There Will Be 'Costs' For Ukraine

Mar 1, 2014 Full story: National Public Radio 939

President Barack Obama is warning Russia "there will be costs" for any military maneuvers it launches in Ukraine, a move U.S. and Ukrainian officials say they believe to be already underway.

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lulz

Pembroke, NC

#905 Apr 4, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, it's ok, I know being Russian is this big embarrassment, if you like you can pretend to be Polish, most Americans can't tell the difference and at least you'll have a history better than lowly Russia.
you want to know whats an embarassment? getting your ass kicked by a bunch of farmers in southeast asia. i mean you could bring up afghanistan but russia was already in pretty bad shape to start but you guys had it all. money state of the art weaponry air control sea control everything and you still went home like a bitch in denial. and dont even get me started on cuba.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#906 Apr 5, 2014
boo ya wrote:
<quoted text>
No need......you do an excellent job of that yourself!
LOL!
frijoles

Gainesville, FL

#907 Apr 5, 2014
lulz wrote:
<quoted text> you want to know whats an embarassment? getting your ass kicked by a bunch of farmers in southeast asia. i mean you could bring up afghanistan but russia was already in pretty bad shape to start but you guys had it all. money state of the art weaponry air control sea control everything and you still went home like a bitch in denial. and dont even get me started on cuba.
I seem to remember the US leaving Vietnam after signing a peace treaty, which the North violated long after the US left.

However tell everyone how a bunch of farmers kicked the US military's ass - please.

Cuba? The US liberated it from Spain, then gave the Cubans their independence. All Russia did was give them nuclear weapons they couldn't use and use them as cannon fodder in Angola.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#908 Apr 5, 2014
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>You're calling Ukraine "dead weight"?
Sure, along with most of the soviet republics that was released.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#909 Apr 5, 2014
lulz wrote:
<quoted text> you want to know whats an embarassment? getting your ass kicked by a bunch of farmers in southeast asia. i mean you could bring up afghanistan but russia was already in pretty bad shape to start but you guys had it all. money state of the art weaponry air control sea control everything and you still went home like a bitch in denial. and dont even get me started on cuba.
Haha... Just can't deal with the fact that Russians are just a weak people.

But please, go on, tell me about Cuba, the nation we freed from the Spanish that we defeated back when they were a real world power.
lulz

Pembroke, NC

#911 Apr 5, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha... Just can't deal with the fact that Russians made my president and nation look like a p0ssy because they cant do anything.
so much for weak. as for cuba? you have had even worse sanctions on them and they still tell you to kiss there ass.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#912 Apr 5, 2014
lulz wrote:
<quoted text> so much for weak. as for cuba? you have had even worse sanctions on them and they still tell you to kiss there ass.
And what a wonderful standard of living they have for it.

But really we should end the embargo, the cold war is over as far as they are concern, and really they pose no threat to America, much like Russia is no threat to anyone out side of their neighbors.

But I am still far more entertained by how weak Russians are. Tell me how does it feel being the only nation on earth who's claim to glory was defeating two starving, frozen and sick armies, one of which, the Germans, you could never have defeated without American help? I mean those are really your only claim to glory, Even the Japanese kicked your ass.
Pravda

Saint Augustine, FL

#913 Apr 5, 2014
The Finns beat the snot out of Stalin with little more than militia armed with rifles.

The difference being that Stalin didn't have Nazi help in Finland like he did in Poland.

Without Hitler invading Poland from the west the Russians would have gotten their butts kicked like they did in Finland.

If Russia ever tries to rape Poland again the Poles will crush them like rotten potatoes.

We don't need to invade Russia - we just need to give Poland enough weapons and they would slaughter the Russians like hogs.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#915 Apr 6, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
And what a wonderful standard of living they have for it.
But really we should end the embargo, the cold war is over as far as they are concern, and really they pose no threat to America, much like Russia is no threat to anyone out side of their neighbors.
But I am still far more entertained by how weak Russians are. Tell me how does it feel being the only nation on earth who's claim to glory was defeating two starving, frozen and sick armies, one of which, the Germans, you could never have defeated without American help? I mean those are really your only claim to glory, Even the Japanese kicked your ass.
Cuba has twice the per capita income of Ukraine and a higher human development index, that's the people that is supposed to be oppressed, and Span wasnt a World power at the time. Cuba was in fact the most profitable colony Spain still had left. Spain actually didn't recognize the indepence of most of lost colonies untilthe 1830's, ten to fifteen years later depending on the colony but they couldn't retake them because they no longer had the military power to do it.

USA gave Cuba its independence but operated as a neocolony for most of its independant history. USA also took most of the remaining colonies of Spain and turned them into colonies of its own. Including the Philippines, which was also fighting an independence war at the time.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#916 Apr 6, 2014
Is also worth noting that the current dispute between China and Philippines in the South China sea is in part thanks to the fact that when the Filipinos first wanted to claim those they were still a colony so they needed USA to claim them for them and USA refused, when Phlippines and USA signed a mutual defense agreement USA also refused to include those islands as part of the Philippines (they recognize the islands disputed between China and Japan as part of Japan but they consider that the South China sea is and should remain international waters).

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#918 Apr 6, 2014
harmonious wrote:
<quoted text>
Brainwashed dupe and mass murderer admirer:
'm not the one who's brainwashed and I never said I admired Stalin. Stop putting words in my mouth. I tend to follow the lead of the Russians - one Russian in particular who said Stalin was an "SOB" and denounced him. You confuse my admiration and respect for the Soviet Union and their defeat of Nazi Germany with Stalin. You equate "the Soviet Union" with Stalin, not me! You only ASSUME I mean Stalin, which shows you are a simple minded fool.
KGB

Saint Augustine, FL

#919 Apr 7, 2014
I marvel at those who get maudlin about the Soviets fighting Hitler while blithely ignoring the fact that Stalin's pact with Hitler is what began WW2.

Had Hitler not turned on Russia that pact would have continued.

Had the Allies not bombed Germany to ruins and stopped Rommel from seizing the Middle East oilfields there would have been no Soviet "victory".

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#920 Apr 7, 2014
Eduardo wrote:
<quoted text>
. Spain actually didn't recognize the independence of most of lost colonies until the 1830's, ten to fifteen years later depending on the colony but they couldn't retake them because they no longer had the military power to do it..
.... You do know that the Spanish-American war was fought in 1898 right?

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#921 Apr 7, 2014
KGB wrote:
I marvel at those who get maudlin about the Soviets fighting Hitler while blithely ignoring the fact that Stalin's pact with Hitler is what began WW2.
That may be YOUR starting point but it isn't mine.

The rest of your post was crap so I deleted it.
nashi

Watseka, IL

#922 Apr 7, 2014
oh my

the drama queen had a tantrum!

must have hit a nerve-

somebody call a waaaaaaambulance for the poor child
nashi

Saint Augustine, FL

#923 Apr 7, 2014
Britain's Finest Hour was not when the RAF crushed Nazi bombers loaded with Russian gasoline over London - it was when they broke Rommel at El Alamein.

Imagine Rommel had broken the British and swarmed into Egypt.

Egyptian nationalists would have welcomed the Afrika Korps, and the Suez would have opened to the Axis.

Imperial Japanese Navy destroyers, cruisers and subs would have flooded the Med (as they did in WW1), sinking any RN ships.

Malta, isolated, would have fallen. No USN ships would have passed Gibraltar to launch Operation Torch.

The Mufti of Jerusalem (an ardent pro-Nazi) would have welcomed Rommel - as would the Persians.

Resupplied from Greece, Rommel would have then opened a second front on Stalin in the Caucasus, driving to the Maikop oilfields while the Russians tried to hold Paulus at Stalingrad.

Stalin would have folded like a cellophane tent.

The murderous runt owed his vile existence to the Allies.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#924 Apr 7, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
.... You do know that the Spanish-American war was fought in 1898 right?
Exactly! decades after they had lost most of their territory and were a shadow of their former empire
Knight Hospitaller

Georgia

#925 Apr 8, 2014
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah and here I am showing myself how to divide up posts ;) LOL
http://www.topix.com/forum/tech/internet/THRB...
<quoted text> I didn't call it genocide. I called it ethnic cleansing.
Tens of thousands of dead Chechens is called a "war". The dead Ossetians were what started the war.
<quoted text>"If Chechens were not Russians"? So you admit Chechnya belongs to Russia and Chechens are Russian? As in big "R" Russian.
Putin didn't slaughter anyone. When 2 sides fight a war, it's common for one side to lose more lives than the other. It's common for civilians to get caught in the middle of all that fighting. Are you really that clueless?
Besides, I thought Kadyrov switched sides and he killed quite a few of these "rebels".
To be exact you stopped calling it Genocide after 2009, when international reports as well as Ossetian sources sad that 150 was a maximum civilian casualty. BEFORE that during 2008 every Russian was shouting GENOCIDE 2000 dead:) Even state channels.
This is just one example how your propaganda is a lie.
If you say that civilian losses during the war is justified and usual event, then why do you Blame Georgians anyway? After all Georgians lost 1.5x more civilians then the other side.
As for reasons for war, a day BEFORE Georgians attacked Tskinvali, there were already 2 Georgians soldiers dead and 8 wounded, on the other side as I know there were 20 casualties, therefore the conflict stated on that day, evening 7 of August.
As for ethnic cleansing, I have already explained that since 80-85% of Ossetian population was evacuated 4 days before, there could not be any cleansing, there were very few civilians left, it was mostly Ossetian Militia.
I sad many times that you can not have double standards: You slaughter your own separatists, but at the same time SUPPORT separatists abroad. Russia must choose: Either give up Chechnya and North Caucasus, or stop supporting Separatists in Ukraine and Georgia.
Otherwise Russian politics remain the laughing stock.
Knight Hospitaller

Tbilisi, Georgia

#926 Apr 8, 2014
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>How many of those "Ossetians" were ethnic Georgians?
<quoted text>Russia didn't invade and the Ukrainians didn't fire because 1) at least half of them defected to the Russian side, and 2) Ukraine knew NATO wasn't coming to save their asses if they did fire a shot.
<quoted text> Oh boy, lucky us, we got saddled with the Nazis and all their debts!
<quoted text> You're blonde and blue eyed?
<quoted text> Oh ok at least you admit that much. It seems you feel you are superior to your Georgian brothers because of your "Viking" blood. Is that correct?.
<quoted text>Wrong
Moscow rose to prominence during the Mongol-Tatar yoke, some time after Russian rulers were accorded the status of tax collectors for the Mongols. The fact that the Russians collected tribute and taxes for the Mongols meant that the Mongols themselves would rarely visit the lands that they owned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire
Mongols were sort of like Vikings in that they would come around once in a while to collect "taxes" and that's pretty much it.
As Russian expert Mr. Andrey Illarionov mentioned, crossing the border of another country with an army, is an act of aggression and invasion. I think you will agree that Ukrainians did well not firing and battling in Crimea. That would expose their other terrotories and would most likely ended up with complete occupation.
Putin's policy about 'ethnic Russians' and 'compatriots' are much more similar to Hitler's 1938-1939 methods, then any action by NATO countries. Consider this before calling other's Nazis.
As for vikings&Normans, Robort Guiscard, William Conqueror, Bohemod, Canute the great and many others were not blonde, but they were Northmen anyway.
Be honest I do not feel superior to fellow Georgians, because of my origins, not at all. However, at the same time I can not turn a blind eye on reality: Most of them care less about Georgia and do not have any purpose in their lives. Even some Georgians on this forum, instead of healthy debating they throw some insults and then run away, I can only condemn that. We also have blinded Nationalists, following 'Traditions', no matter how ridiculous those are.
So that's a reality. Much healthier view then blind nationalism. We have some bright people, but clearly not everybody.
I know about Mongolian rule in Russia. Alexander Nevsky chose to pay tribute after Mongols crushed Ryazan, Moscow and Vladimir, so that Novgorod could be saved. So their dominance lasted for 2.5 centuries.
The big difference was that Vikings and Normans created their own states. They wanted permanent rule and achievement not only some temporary loot.

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#927 Apr 8, 2014
Knight Hospitaller wrote:
<quoted text>
To be exact you stopped calling it Genocide after 2009, when international reports as well as Ossetian sources sad that 150 was a maximum civilian casualty. BEFORE that during 2008 every Russian was shouting GENOCIDE 2000 dead:) Even state channels.
This is just one example how your propaganda is a lie.
If you say that civilian losses during the war is justified and usual event, then why do you Blame Georgians anyway? After all Georgians lost 1.5x more civilians then the other side.
As for reasons for war, a day BEFORE Georgians attacked Tskinvali, there were already 2 Georgians soldiers dead and 8 wounded, on the other side as I know there were 20 casualties, therefore the conflict stated on that day, evening 7 of August.
As for ethnic cleansing, I have already explained that since 80-85% of Ossetian population was evacuated 4 days before, there could not be any cleansing, there were very few civilians left, it was mostly Ossetian Militia.
I sad many times that you can not have double standards: You slaughter your own separatists, but at the same time SUPPORT separatists abroad. Russia must choose: Either give up Chechnya and North Caucasus, or stop supporting Separatists in Ukraine and Georgia.
Otherwise Russian politics remain the laughing stock.
What??
OK if there were 2 dead Georgian soldiers and 8 wounded = 10
vs
20 casualties (dead? wounded?) "on the other side"
Which means what?
If 80 to 85% of Ossetians fled the ethnic cleansing 4 days before your "official" start of the war, how many were bombed out of their homes or killed on the streets before then? I mean they fled for a season. right? 80-85% of the population does not get up and leave for no reason.
And besides, the UN has already ruled against you.

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