Could shooting be a gun-control tipping point?

Dec 15, 2012 Full story: The Star Press 210

The question surfaces each time a mass murder unfolds: Will this one change the political calculus in Washington against tougher gun control? The answer, after the Virginia Tech killings, the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords, the Colorado movie-theater attack, the Wisconsin Sikh temple shootings, and more: No.

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“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#275 Jan 2, 2013
jackson wrote:
<quoted text>I agree and you're right -- that's another novel or two.
We first and foremost need to elevate the value of a human life and I have absolutely no idea how to do that. Each person has something they can contribute to our society, if they choose to do so.
Maybe more random acts of kindness, paying it forward, etc., would be a good place to start. It would help if the media would report more of the good things people do on a daily basis and not make it seem as though it is unusual for someone to be nice. Don't sensationalize it, either -- just a basic report about the good things people do and back off some on the bad things.
We're all guilty of watching and wanting to see all the carnage -- like watching a train wreck, we just can't NOT watch. So that adds to the ratings and the news programs take off from there.
Maybe we can start with "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more" with the sensationalism and see what happens. But that would mean we, as a people, would have to stop watching the things our very nature tells us we want to see.
Like I said, no easy answers.
I agree we need to elevate the value of human life. I think the first step to that is going back to having winners and losers in elementary school playground games and sports. I know its not directly related, but i think it is the grain of sand that starts the pearl.
I coached Tee ball and Coach's Pitch for two years as an assistant. Nobody kept score. At the end of every game, the first thing the kids asked was "who won?". Every team, regardless of performance, effort, or lack there of, was told that they won.
I stopped coaching because I didn't want to be a part of teaching kids that regardless of If you practice or not, if you try hard or not, if you have a bad day or not, you still win. That's just not reality. People fail. If they try harder and work at it, they can succeed. I think the everybody wins method sets children up for failure, with no idea how to do anything about it, because they've never had to before. It also sets them up to fall into the " government will do everything for me and look out for my best interest" mentality.
The random acts of kindness, I agree, but it needs to be a true representation of what's out there. First, people being taxed to death are not as likely to feel or be charitable. Secondly, representative sample needs to be highlighted. What I mean by that is this: there is a special feature on the news in Baton Rouge Louisiana called "Hand It On". People are nominated to receive $300 to use as they wish due to their random acts of kindness. To watch that feature, one would think minorities are the only ones who display random acts of kindness. Apparently, all white people are Scrooges. My point is, even profiling random acts of kindness has an agenda by the media.
As for the fascination with carnage, I'm extremely close to disconnecting television all together.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#276 Jan 3, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree we need to elevate the value of human life. I think the first step to that is going back to having winners and losers in elementary school playground games and sports. I know its not directly related, but i think it is the grain of sand that starts the pearl.
I coached Tee ball and Coach's Pitch for two years as an assistant. Nobody kept score. At the end of every game, the first thing the kids asked was "who won?". Every team, regardless of performance, effort, or lack there of, was told that they won.
I stopped coaching because I didn't want to be a part of teaching kids that regardless of If you practice or not, if you try hard or not, if you have a bad day or not, you still win. That's just not reality. People fail. If they try harder and work at it, they can succeed. I think the everybody wins method sets children up for failure, with no idea how to do anything about it, because they've never had to before. It also sets them up to fall into the " government will do everything for me and look out for my best interest" mentality.
The random acts of kindness, I agree, but it needs to be a true representation of what's out there. First, people being taxed to death are not as likely to feel or be charitable. Secondly, representative sample needs to be highlighted. What I mean by that is this: there is a special feature on the news in Baton Rouge Louisiana called "Hand It On". People are nominated to receive $300 to use as they wish due to their random acts of kindness. To watch that feature, one would think minorities are the only ones who display random acts of kindness. Apparently, all white people are Scrooges. My point is, even profiling random acts of kindness has an agenda by the media.
As for the fascination with carnage, I'm extremely close to disconnecting television all together.
I agree with what you say. But disconnecting your television won't help the others who continue to watch, and possibly be influenced by, the sensationalism. Media need to stop creating reports for reporting sake, such as interviewing this psychologist, or that specialist, to get insight into what people may be thinking and doing. 24/7 news, not to mention the hundreds of locations presenting "news", is mostly the culprit. They appeal to the basest of our psyche -- we want to watch the train wreck so they show all of the train wreck, from all possible angles, then analyze it to death for weeks, keeping it all in front of us.
This was bad enough before 9/11, but in that case, we all needed to see and hear for us all to put our arms around what we were seeing. That, then, lent credence to doing that type of coverage regarding any tragedy or disaster. They tell us what they think we want to know, when we truly shouldn't know so much that it affects our personality or demeanor.
Don't lose the TV, just stop watching all network news -- I have. No more nightly news, CNN, Fox News, HLN, etc., for me. I read what I want to know and ignore the rest.
And I agree about the "no loser" attitude teaching our children. For those who lost, they would learn a lesson -- how to do better, work harder, pick themselves up and try again. It's ironic to me that we won't let the little ones win or lose, but that's all we adults seem to deem important in our lives. Our team won or lost, our politician won or lost, those seem to be very important to us and create a very antagonistic culture. What's wrong with "Well, we did our best and we can be proud of that"?

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#277 Jan 3, 2013
jackson wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with what you say. But disconnecting your television won't help the others who continue to watch, and possibly be influenced by, the sensationalism. Media need to stop creating reports for reporting sake, such as interviewing this psychologist, or that specialist, to get insight into what people may be thinking and doing. 24/7 news, not to mention the hundreds of locations presenting "news", is mostly the culprit. They appeal to the basest of our psyche -- we want to watch the train wreck so they show all of the train wreck, from all possible angles, then analyze it to death for weeks, keeping it all in front of us.
This was bad enough before 9/11, but in that case, we all needed to see and hear for us all to put our arms around what we were seeing. That, then, lent credence to doing that type of coverage regarding any tragedy or disaster. They tell us what they think we want to know, when we truly shouldn't know so much that it affects our personality or demeanor.
Don't lose the TV, just stop watching all network news -- I have. No more nightly news, CNN, Fox News, HLN, etc., for me. I read what I want to know and ignore the rest.
And I agree about the "no loser" attitude teaching our children. For those who lost, they would learn a lesson -- how to do better, work harder, pick themselves up and try again. It's ironic to me that we won't let the little ones win or lose, but that's all we adults seem to deem important in our lives. Our team won or lost, our politician won or lost, those seem to be very important to us and create a very antagonistic culture. What's wrong with "Well, we did our best and we can be proud of that"?
Exactly! Everywhere we turn is hypocrisy. The Hollywood Elite is just as guilty. Here's a perfect example that highlights it much better than I could.
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
jackson

Lexington, KY

#278 Jan 3, 2013
just another guy wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a simple solution. When the schools are guarded like a prison this will not happen. Instead the criminal will go to another gun free zone.
You know gun control will have more negative consequences than positive. Accept that and buck up to the lunatic gun grabbers.
But do you really want our schools to be guarded like a prison? Do you want our children locked in behind armed guards?
I would prefer to stop giving these psychopaths the media attention and hopefully others who might otherwise follow suit will not. Generally speaking, these are fairly rare occurrences. I don't want to guard our schools like prisons because of a few lunatics. There must be an alternative to making it seem beneficial for some to kill others before themselves. I think stopping the media from sensationalizing it would be a start. Also becoming a more respectful society might help, too.
DaveTV

Sikeston, MO

#279 Jan 28, 2013
Researcher wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones with the "agenda" are the people desperate to sell guns.
With only 5% of citizens hunting, they MUST drum up paranoia, conspiracy theories, hate, bigotry in order to sell product.
It's always about the money.
Just a quick thought. Since our government officals are allowed to insider trade and nothing comes of it. I wonder if they go out and buy stocks of gun makers and put out some info in the media that makes sales go up, make a quick buck or million and sell.
Researcher

Killeen, TX

#280 Jan 28, 2013
DaveTV wrote:
<quoted text>
Just a quick thought. Since our government officals are allowed to insider trade and nothing comes of it. I wonder if they go out and buy stocks of gun makers and put out some info in the media that makes sales go up, make a quick buck or million and sell.
Absolutely they do.

Our morning paper (Texas) had a story about people buying up guns and hoping the prices will go up!

The flaw in that is that NOBODY ANYWHERE in the U.S. has said ANYTHING AT ALL about taking away anybody's guns.

The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 50% of the world's guns.

Good marketing by the NRA by their bosses, the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.

That's all this fear mongering is about - increasng sales that otherwie would be stagnant.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#281 Jan 28, 2013
DaveTV wrote:
<quoted text>Just a quick thought. Since our government officals are allowed to insider trade and nothing comes of it. I wonder if they go out and buy stocks of gun makers and put out some info in the media that makes sales go up, make a quick buck or million and sell.
They do! And are planning to stop in eating to strong arm the gun manufacturers.
http://m.townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/...

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#283 Jan 28, 2013
Researcher wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely they do.
Our morning paper (Texas) had a story about people buying up guns and hoping the prices will go up!
The flaw in that is that NOBODY ANYWHERE in the U.S. has said ANYTHING AT ALL about taking away anybody's guns.
The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 50% of the world's guns.
Good marketing by the NRA by their bosses, the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.
That's all this fear mongering is about - increasng sales that otherwie would be stagnant.
How wrong you are.

The Democratic party has been a supporter of the UN arms ban for years.

The largest Democratic supporter is in favor of a gun ban.

Everything starts somewhere , bans on certain gun types and magazine size will have no effect on crime so the logical conclusion is this is a prelude to ban and then confiscate.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#284 Jan 28, 2013
Researcher wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely they do.

Our morning paper (Texas) had a story about people buying up guns and hoping the prices will go up!

The flaw in that is that NOBODY ANYWHERE in the U.S. has said ANYTHING AT ALL about taking away anybody's guns.

The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 50% of the world's guns.

Good marketing by the NRA by their bosses, the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.

That's all this fear mongering is about - increasng sales that otherwie would be stagnant.
infringed past participle, past tense of inĀ·fringe (Verb)
Verb
Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".
Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".

Gun control limits the guns we can purchase. That violates the 2nd Amendment.
Banning certain guns limits the guns we can purchase. That violates the 2nd Amendment.
Banning high capacity magazines undermines our ability to exercise the 2nd Amendment. That violates the 2nd Amendment.
Gun Control, "Assault Weapon" bans, and High Capacity Magazine bans ALL infringe the Second Amendment!

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#285 Jan 28, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>They do! And are planning to stop in eating to strong arm the gun manufacturers.
http://m.townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/...
Sorry, eating = investing. Damn autocorrect!

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