Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70718 Apr 6, 2013
John wrote:
No evidence presented. No accountable position of belief. Dismissed.
Dozens of you have spent five years marching for nothing. Avoiding the hypocrisies I've exposed. You don't have a shred of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others to. Correct?
Your forum is bat shit crazy. Don't let that commonality amongst you suggest your bigotry is normal.
Atheists on the march for John.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
I have a Dragon living in my attic.

It is invisible, and untouchable-- and only comes out when nobody is looking.

You exclaim: "that is silly".

Yes. Yes it is.... now.... think about it for a sec: so is your god, equally silly...
John K

Canton, OH

#70719 Apr 6, 2013
If the infinite number of things that do exist are in set "A" and there are an infinite times an infinite number of things that do not exist in the set called "B" are both sets equal? The answer, though nonsensical, is of course yes. An overwhelming number of things that do exist can be proven to exist, but none of the things that do not exist can be proven to not exist. This concept, that nonexistent things can not be proven to not exist, seems to elude this other John guy. And he doesn't seem to understand that most atheist don't say that the universe came from nothing. He keeps harping on the same question but he never seems to understand that the reason he doesn't get a satisfactory answer is because it is a nonsensical question. Other John start asking better questions and you might learn something in the next three years.( I still can't believe he is asking the same question over and over for three years. What is that thing they say about insanity?)

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#70720 Apr 6, 2013
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 67,890 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Still not proof of god John. You're in denial.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70721 Apr 6, 2013
John K wrote:
If the infinite number of things that do exist are in set "A" and there are an infinite times an infinite number of things that do not exist in the set called "B" are both sets equal? The answer, though nonsensical, is of course yes. An overwhelming number of things that do exist can be proven to exist, but none of the things that do not exist can be proven to not exist. This concept, that nonexistent things can not be proven to not exist, seems to elude this other John guy. And he doesn't seem to understand that most atheist don't say that the universe came from nothing. He keeps harping on the same question but he never seems to understand that the reason he doesn't get a satisfactory answer is because it is a nonsensical question. Other John start asking better questions and you might learn something in the next three years.( I still can't believe he is asking the same question over and over for three years. What is that thing they say about insanity?)
Good points.

What is amusing to me? Is that as soon as any given "god" is defined?

It then becomes possible to test the veracity of said god, with respect to the definition(s).

And so far? None have passed that test--proving the definition(s) are entirely false.

And without the defining characteristics? They are back to nothing/no god at all.

They really do not see this for what it is: proof their god isn't real.
Imhotep

Hernando, FL

#70722 Apr 6, 2013
John K wrote:
If the infinite number of things that do exist are in set "A" and there are an infinite times an infinite number of things that do not exist in the set called "B" are both sets equal? The answer, though nonsensical, is of course yes. An overwhelming number of things that do exist can be proven to exist, but none of the things that do not exist can be proven to not exist. This concept, that nonexistent things can not be proven to not exist, seems to elude this other John guy. And he doesn't seem to understand that most atheist don't say that the universe came from nothing. He keeps harping on the same question but he never seems to understand that the reason he doesn't get a satisfactory answer is because it is a nonsensical question. Other John start asking better questions and you might learn something in the next three years.( I still can't believe he is asking the same question over and over for three years. What is that thing they say about insanity?)
A religious person like Johnis a dangerous may not become a thief or a murderer, but he is liable to become a nuisance as is evidenced in this forum.

He carries with him many foolish and harmful superstitions, and he is possessed with the notion that it is his duty to give these superstitions to others.

Nothing is so worthless as superstition.

Violence has come to be regarded by ever larger sectors of the population... as a legitimate instrument, indeed as the only instrument to change reality and achieve progress and development.

This, to put it simply, is madness.

A good part of this violence proceeds from a religious fiction, from the idea that through a system and a body of dogma you can capture reality in its entirety and express it, organize it and reform it in a perfectly logical way.

Every ideology leads ultimately to fanaticism, and fanaticism is fiction trying to impose itself on reality in the name of science.

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.~Saul Bellow
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#70723 Apr 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Still no proof to back up your proven myth cult, john? why do you like being a cult member when you know they lie to you so often?
I have a feeling that John is not a member, but a leader. I would bet he is a pastor of a church and the more people who lose faith, the more money he loses from the collection plates. He knows there is no god, but relies on the fleecing of the sheep for his living.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70724 Apr 6, 2013
You skipped my questions John K. You didn't provide any evidence or accountable position of belief either. Things exist or they don't. The standard of proof in this forum has been exposed. You have no proof of anything in this arena.

Would you like to compare my something to your ????. What was that again LOL. Maybe you prefer a question mark or blank to nothing. Now go back and review the possibilities I asked you to quantify and check back in.

Maybe we should use the term preponderance of evidence rather than proof. For instance the preponderance of evidence decidely points to a prime mover vs any other position you can make a case for.

Intellectuals LOL Pfft.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70725 Apr 6, 2013
@Imhotep. You are a perfect example of a dangerous liberal atheist. Your kind would silence all voices not in lockstep with your agenda. What I believed was irrelevant in regards to the start of this discussion. It devolved quickly with attacks from antitheists. Only then did I offer you my reasonable challenge. You've failed horribly.

According to you all believers are nuts. Let me guess. Gun owners are nuts. Conservatives are nuts. Can we have your list of acceptable behaviors and beliefs. You're exactly why atheistic regimes end up with people being butchered. Keep pushing. 90 million out of the workforce because of the liberal mindset. Intolerant and insane isn't a good combination.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70728 Apr 6, 2013
buckwheat wrote:
<quoted text>I have a feeling that John is not a member, but a leader. I would bet he is a pastor of a church and the more people who lose faith, the more money he loses from the collection plates. He knows there is no god, but relies on the fleecing of the sheep for his living.
he is not smart enough to lead anyone...nor is he smart enough to lie well, he has been busted at it many times.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70732 Apr 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he is not smart enough to lead anyone...nor is he smart enough to lie well, he has been busted at it many times.
Another claim without proof. Straight out of the liberal atheist playbook.

You don't believe. We knew that before the first pope loon.

No evidence. No accountable position of belief. Dismissed. Next!
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70733 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Just from a quick and surreal observation, he seems to be leading you by your tail. Obsess much.
Lmao. These are my playtoys.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70734 Apr 6, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70735 Apr 6, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.'
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70736 Apr 6, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.+
John

Saint Louis, MO

#70737 Apr 6, 2013
I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.:$

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70738 Apr 6, 2013
John wrote:
You skipped my questions John K. You didn't provide any evidence or accountable position of belief either. Things exist or they don't. The standard of proof in this forum has been exposed. You have no proof of anything in this arena.
Would you like to compare my something to your ????. What was that again LOL. Maybe you prefer a question mark or blank to nothing. Now go back and review the possibilities I asked you to quantify and check back in.
Maybe we should use the term preponderance of evidence rather than proof. For instance the preponderance of evidence decidely points to a prime mover vs any other position you can make a case for.
Intellectuals LOL Pfft.
I have a Dragon living in my attic.

It is invisible, and untouchable-- and only comes out when nobody is looking.

You exclaim: "that is silly".

Yes. Yes it is.... now.... think about it for a sec: so is your god, equally silly...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70739 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>So, where are you atheists marching to. Mexico or Canada or just into one of two oceans. What is your cause 'You don't believe'?
You don't understand metaphors?

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70740 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>If God were a myth, you would not be here. If it were a proven myth, then you would offer that proof. Yet, here you are, no platform of belief, only unbelief of a God you claim is a myth. If God were a myth, then you would not be angry.
Or, perhaps, you are angry at the easter bunny, santa claus and the tooth fairy and you should go lash out at them.
You atheists are just unimaginably clueless but that is okay.
I have a Dragon living in my attic.

It is invisible, and untouchable-- and only comes out when nobody is looking.

You exclaim: "that is silly".

Yes. Yes it is.... now.... think about it for a sec: so is your god, equally silly...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70741 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Really?.......Is that your best. If God were like your dragon, then many believers would not share the experience of God's presence, often at once.
Google the words "self delusion".

Next, google the word "hallucination".

Finally, google "willful ignorance".

You are guilty of all of these.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70742 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
What is silly is when you gays claim that you know that you were born gay?
1) I'm not gay, but I do support equality. You? You support bigotry.

2) when did you "choose" to be straight? If being gay is a choice, then SO IS BEING STRAIGHT.

Why did YOU choose to be straight?

The same day you also chose to be a bigot?
St Black Pope wrote:
How so? Yet, when a gay tells you that they are an ex-gay, then you call them liars.
I wouldn't call them a liar-- I'd call them brainwashed, and victims of bigotry. Likely the truth of the matter is that they are bisexual, and brainwashing has made them a victim.
St Black Pope wrote:
You will claim that being gay is a reasonable and natural state of being, but when faced with the issue of gay suicides and AIDS, then you feign.
The suicides happen because of YOU AND YOUR SEETHIGN BIGOTRY.

Own your bigotry-- OWN YOUR HATE-- you are the ones responsible for the gay suicides.

As for AIDS? At the last count, the majority of people suffering from that dread disease are STRAIGHT WOMEN.

What now, bigot?
St Black Pope wrote:
My point is this, you will deny truth because it does not serve your lie.
You have no truth-- you are just a hate-filled bigot.

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