Atheists on the march in America

There are 20 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69764 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.
I have seen no evidence to support your assertions, none of them, even this one. Perhaps you can break your lie streak and present the evidence now.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#69765 Mar 18, 2013
Where?
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69766 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
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Proving Bob wrong one more time. Most of the other nonsense is lies as well. By the way this guy got checked. He is about the fourth bigot to threaten me.
Bob lies for his nothing over and over and over again Bwahahaha
Stump a theist: ask him for proof of his god.

He'll have none-- he will pretend that "faith" is enough.

Sad.
John

Branson, MO

#69767 Mar 18, 2013
Do your own homework loon. You skipped my questions by the way. Oh, this is priceless. Freethinkers LOL, sure you are

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69768 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
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Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.
Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69769 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
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Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.
Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69770 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
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Proving Bob wrong one more time.
You can't and you know it-- you cannot post a link to where you did what you claim you did.

Nor can you post a link to where you were ... ahem... "threatened" by anyone.

You can't--because nobody did.
John wrote:
Most of the other nonsense is lies as well. By the way this guy got checked. He is about the fourth bigot to threaten me.
Bob lies for his nothing over and over and over again Bwahahaha
You're lying once more-- "this guy got checked"? Seriously? When?

Not by YOU, that's for certain! DO you have a link where I .. ahem.. "threatened" you?

No?

How about THAT.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#69771 Mar 18, 2013
Stump John- show him a reply button!

John'll stick his finger in his ear, dribble and still wonder why his post isn't connected the same way as everyone else's...
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Stump a theist: ask him for proof of his god.
He'll have none-- he will pretend that "faith" is enough.
Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69772 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
Nope-- you proved nothing of the sort-- I went back-- NO LINKS FROM YOU.

... so you were NOT threatened by ANYONE-- you're just lying as you do everyday.
John wrote:
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.
Apology? For what? Telling the world the TRUTH about you and your sick hate-cult?

No-- you don't deserve an apology for YOU, LYING-- why should I apologize?

You are provably lying here-- you lie each and every day.

Links to these... "threats"? No?

We thought as much.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69773 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Do your own homework loon. You skipped my questions by the way. Oh, this is priceless. Freethinkers LOL, sure you are
I answered them even today.

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So you lie once more...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#69774 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Going to bed but will touch on a reply. Remember I've been doing this for four years and I'm admittedly impatient by now. Your flying spaghetti monster routine wasn't exactly ingratiating but in fairness you probably are miffed with my vernacular. I do mention I'm specifically addressing antitheism from time to time.
I can understand how 4 years of the same topic can get frustrating. I know it feels insulting to bring up the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I do it to make a point more than poke fun.
John wrote:
Why do atheists believe in love? Do you believe we have a conscience? Can you prove it?
I feel love. It seems wrong or disturbing to discover it is a function of the mind when it feels very magical... But it is what it is. It's origin doesn't change the way it makes me feel.
John wrote:
The question regarding quantitative analysis- how do you decide what is most or least likely of the following: always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Show your work. Oh, prime mover is probably what you are thinking. Check out Aristotle and Aquinas for further.
I will give my thoughts on all 3...

Always was - this one seems most likely to me with the limited knowledge i have on the subject. This voids the problem of how something can come from nothing. It may not be the popular answer and I am open to being educated more on the subject.

Something from nothing - I know very little about quantum physics... Get it?! Very little?! Lol sorry... Anyway... Nobody has ever witnessed creatio ex nihilo as far as I know... But I did see it mentioned earlier about quantum fluctuation and seeing particles appear out of nowhere... Either that is correct or we just don't understand it yet. I'm ok with that too.

Prime mover - term used to disguise a god. Sounds more intellectual than "god did it". If it was simply a first cause that was never caused, that would be one thing.... But this is supposed to be something with intelligence. This opens a big new can of worms... What kind of knowledge exists before existence? How can a thought exist before time exists? That's fine, I just need more details. I cannot humor this as an answer without knowing more.
What color is the paint in this can? Blue? Black? Or kuggabuvel?.... What is kuggabuvel? It's a color? Ok well.... I suppose it might be kuggabuvel but can you show me what kuggabuvel looks like? It can have stripes or circles or many other things? Ok well... The wall is a solid color so i know it's not stripes or circles.... So we can rule that out.... Is it any color on this color wheel? No?....

That may be a really strange an poor attempt at making my point but Maybe you understand what I'm saying. Sorry for the bad example.

I have more to reply but have to close my store so I will send this before I lose everything again.... I still preferred my response that was lost late last night... It had more clarity than this.

To be continued...
John

Branson, MO

#69775 Mar 18, 2013
I'll wait for the full response.
John

Branson, MO

#69776 Mar 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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LOL! "physically threatened me"... riiiiight... you got a link?
No?
So... you're lying. Again.
Lies, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
John

Branson, MO

#69777 Mar 18, 2013
It's so nice exposing you loons to everyone. So entrenched in your nothing you will lie despite the evidence being on the prededing page. Yeah, you are just the people to judge evidence.

I guarrantee not one of Bobs links has any evidence that meets the criteria he demands of others. I guarrantee he did not submit an accountable position of belief to debate vs my prime mover.

This is an atheism forum at that LOL. Fear the prime mover! Boo!
John

Branson, MO

#69778 Mar 18, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 66,990 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
John

Branson, MO

#69779 Mar 18, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. ;)
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.+
John

Branson, MO

#69780 Mar 18, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 66,990 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Lincoln

United States

#69781 Mar 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I answered them even today.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
So you lie once more...
Observe that you call people liars
but when we point out that
you post endless nothing
"you call it hate".

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#69782 Mar 18, 2013
It happened again..... I don't even know what to say.... But again... I will get back to it in the morning...

Next time i will copy what I typed
Next time i will copy what I typed
Next time i will copy what I typed
Next time i will copy what I typed

Ugh
Lincoln

United States

#69783 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I have seen no evidence to support your assertions, none of them, even this one. Perhaps you can break your lie streak and present the evidence now.
At televise sports events singing of God Bless America seems popular.

In schools let all ideas compete and those found wanting examined .

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