Obama: Gun-control advocates have to listen more

Jan 27, 2013 Full story: WOI 665

16, 2013, file photo, President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, talks about proposals to reduce gun violence at the White House in Washington.

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#653 Feb 20, 2013
GOOGLE Glock 18 :)
guest

Tacoma, WA

#654 Feb 21, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
GOOGLE Glock 18 :)
Sorry for such a short answer. I don't do links on my phone. I wasn't referring to gun type, but rather that it is actually possible to 3 d print a working weapon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/weapons-m...

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012...

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#655 Feb 21, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Screw that.... what if 11 guys break in your house? Then what?
Quit drinking the kool aid..... you know 17 rd mags are standard for 9mm right?
I think they are hauling ass after I shoot the first one.
chad

United States

#656 Feb 21, 2013
When people say that they do not want more laws passed because the criminals won’t obey them, they are speaking of laws that only affect the law abiding citizen’s ability to own firearms that are readily available, not other laws. When you pass a law that bans guns and magazines that already exist, everyone says “OK” and the good guys, forced to follow the laws by their personal moral code, stop making, selling, purchasing those firearms just like a good guy should. The criminals also say “OK” Accept that it is the law, and then pursue the firearms anyways, knowing that they are available elsewhere.
So ban all guns? Remove them from America entirely? Wishful thinking; unless the entire world disarms and destroys all guns from existence ( Which will NEVER happen) by passing these laws and bans you are doing nothing but keeping the criminals strong and disarming us good guys. In doing so you destroy the only deterrent we have against the criminals at the moment of the “unthinkables” that they commit. Jail time obviously has never worked as a proper deterrent. The fear of death or injury is much stronger, and injury usually leads to them being caught anyways, you can’t avoid the hospital with a nearly quarter inch hole or two through your chest.
I respect and appreciate the police with all of my soul, but they cannot stop the crimes, they can only find and arrest the criminals long after the deed is done. The only way for my family, myself and my property to be protected is for me to be one step ahead of the bad guys, and I feel like having my scary guns and magazines does just that.
Contrary to popular belief, I and 99.99%(This is an opinionated, literally unsupportable statistic, for all you people who believe that any statistic whatsoever is somehow unbiased) of all responsible, law abiding firearms owners/licensed carriers am NOT Rambo, my CCW is 100% intended to play a very very small role in the deterrence of criminals preying on not only myself and my family, but YOU as well. The more responsible firearm owners who carry, the more fear we strike in the minds of criminals who may intend to harm you or your children for personal gain. Criminals are cowards who only prey on the weak, if we are all strong; we no longer stand as prey to the man with empty pockets who intends to take your money or belongings no matter what so that he can feed his pointless wants…or maybe even to feed his family. More simply put, I have 100% zero intention to brandish or fire my weapon in any place I lawfully have the right to be, including my home, unless I am 110% sure that it is necessary and am completely certain that if I do not, harm will come to myself, my family, or even to you and your family.
Am I guaranteed to stop a group of thugs assaulting me at 3 am at the local ATM? Of course not, but I have the right to try.
And finally, Please, please stop calling the .223 a high powered cartridge, the bullet only reaches such “high velocities”*insert sarcasm* and “long distances”*insert more sarcasm* because of its tiny size and light weight, its simple physics. Compare the energy in foot pounds of the .223 to a standard .308 or even more popular 30-06 hunting cartridge and I guarantee you will change your mind on what high powered means, and yes there are many .308 (and other caliber) hunting rifles that are semi-automatic that have almost never been used in crimes.
Should we the people fear the government? Absolutely not; should the government fear the people? Only if their motives threaten our most basic rights, we the People are, after all, the most powerful, lawful check and balance.
"We aren’t taking away your ‘”””Assault weapons””””’, just banning the sale of any more of them" OHHHH! Wow, I didn't realize that my future unborn children don't fall under the protection of the constitution.....what "common sense!" I am enlightened...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#658 Feb 21, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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I think they are hauling ass after I shoot the first one.
Or maybe, just maybe, one of the other ten has a gun too and shoots back.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#659 Feb 21, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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I understand that Kennesaw. I have a semi auto 9MM. But I don't need more than 10 rds in the clip to accomplish whatever I need it for, and neither does anyone else.
You know that's false, and I even posted a story and video showing how wrong you are.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#660 Feb 21, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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What you fail to include in your above outlined shootings, are the number of Dead. Post each of those and then compare them with number of dead in Newtown and time it took to carry out that Massacre with those Weapons Of Mass Destruction VS other shootings.
No gun laws will prevent ALL shootings, but actually adhering to laws in place and making them universal will have an impact.
Chris Rock,(Comedian/Actor) joked a few years ago that making Ammo more expensive would cut down on 'innocent bystanders' being shot. "If bullets cost five thousand a round, they ain't gonna waste em on the kid standing next door to the house they wanna shoot up."
He was joking of course, but what if bullets really did cost $5,000 a round? 5G is unrealistic, but we could make it more expensive. Insurance Companies could sell insurance to Ammo buyers if it was required to purchase Guns and Ammo.
Like Insurance is required in some states if people own a vicious dog.


We could charge Americans five thousand dollars a year if they live in any one of the ten most violent cities in the US and since all ten cities consistently vote Democrat we could add a three thousand dollar surcharge if you are a registered Democrat. All those gang bangers couldn't afford ammunition after paying the Violent City Surcharge. They might even have to sell their vicious dogs making it a win-win situation.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#661 Feb 21, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Could you please NAME some of those Civilians who actually STOPPED or Decreased number of Dead in Mass Shootings?
Besides the Civilians who WERE Mass Shooters, but changed their minds or were caught first. Also let me know how you verified this awesome Vital Statistic.
Come on, change your diapee and get with it.
Sunday Dec 9, 2007

Matthew Murray killed two people at the Youth with a Mission, a missionary training facility in Arvada, Colorado. He then drove to New Life Church, 65 miles away in Colorado Springs.

Before the shooting, Murray left several violent and threatening messages on several religious websites, espousing his hatred for Christianity and his intentions on killing as many Christians as possible.

One message read: "I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the ...teeth and I WILL shoot to kill... God, I can't wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."

To fulfill his threat, Murray had three weapons, over 1000 rounds of ammunition and smoke canisters on his person when he arrived at the the New Life Church. He was armed with a customized Bushmaster XM15 Assault Rifle, a Beretta .40 cal. semi-automatic handgun and a Springfield 9mm semi-automatic handgun. An AK-47 Assault Rifle was later found in his vehicle. He placed one smoke canister at the north entrance, another at the south entrance and then drove to the east entrance where he shot a father and his two teenage daughters sitting in their vehicle in the parking lot. Both girls died from their wounds, He then fired more rounds at the east entrance and into the parking lot striking a woman in the shoulder sitting in her car. He entered the east entrance to the church complex. There were 7000 people at the church campus at the time. He fired off more rounds in the hallway hitting a man in the arm. It was here that 42 year old Jeanne Assam, an armed volunteer with a concealed carry permit, confronted Murray. Pointing her 9mm Beretta semi-auto handgun at the gunman, she ordered him to surrender and he fired three times but missed her and she returned fire all the while walking directly towards him yelling for him to surrender. She fired five times, striking Murray four time and putting him down. While down he placed a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger and committed suicide. The man wounded in the hallway, a Vietnam combat veteran , stated her action that day was the bravest thing he had ever seen. She is credited with saving at least a hundred lives that day and very possibly preventing the worse mass killing in US history.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#662 Feb 21, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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I think they are hauling ass after I shoot the first one.
What kind of dumbass are you?

Do you realize the Virginia Tech shooter only had a 7 round magazine? It only takes 2 seconds to swap in another loaded magazine....

I prefer swapping out 22 round 40 caliber Glock magazines and when ive run through all 88 40 caliber SWs, i'll pick up my Sig 9mm and proceed blazing away through all ten of my 17 round magazines.....

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#663 Feb 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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You know that's false, and I even posted a story and video showing how wrong you are.
What is false? What are you talking about.

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#664 Feb 21, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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We could charge Americans five thousand dollars a year if they live in any one of the ten most violent cities in the US and since all ten cities consistently vote Democrat we could add a three thousand dollar surcharge if you are a registered Democrat. All those gang bangers couldn't afford ammunition after paying the Violent City Surcharge. They might even have to sell their vicious dogs making it a win-win situation.
Or we could charge them $10,000 a year to live in one of the states that are the top twenty states with most gun deaths per year, and your State would be one of those. But that would be stupid.

Since: Aug 12

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#665 Feb 21, 2013
Dumbass.......
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How long do ya spose itll take to figure out what state is the closest for a roadtrip.....?
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.burn

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#666 Feb 22, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
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What kind of dumbass are you?
Do you realize the Virginia Tech shooter only had a 7 round magazine? It only takes 2 seconds to swap in another loaded magazine....
I prefer swapping out 22 round 40 caliber Glock magazines and when ive run through all 88 40 caliber SWs, i'll pick up my Sig 9mm and proceed blazing away through all ten of my 17 round magazines.....
Like I said, they haul ass after I shoot the first one. Case in point. PS, Intruders below are charged with murder in the death of their C Conspirator.

Homeowner fights back, two of five intruders shot (Ohio) www.easybakegunclub.com/news/2846/Homeowner-f... ...

Feb 1, 2013 ... When police arrived they found one intruder still inside the home with ... Man attacks ex-girlfriend with shotgun twice, gets killed (Florida)...(January 28th) Fairborn, Ohio police responded to a home invasion and shots fired.
Home Invader Killed « YouViewed/Editorial youviewed.com/tag/home-invader-killed/

Feb 6, 2013 ... Posts about Home Invader Killed written by johngalt.... California Homeowner Shoots Dead Home Intruder As Children Have ... One Less Home Invader In Ohio ... Fairborn Police Sgt. Paul Hicks said the only motive they've ...
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Jan 31, 2013 ... Posts about Fairborn Ohio written by johngalt.... Home Invader Killed.” One man was killed and another shot in the leg when they, along with three ... students who live at 1006 Victoria Ave. were home when the intruders entered.... Ohio, Christopher Muse, Homeowners Fight Back, Home Invader Killed ...

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2 of 5 Home Invaders Shot by Homeowner in Ohio gunssavelives.net/self-defense/2-of-5-home-in... ...

Jan 29, 2013 ... Two people were in an Ohio home when five men stormed the residence with the intent to assault or rob the occupants. A struggle ... A struggle ensued in which one of the residents was injured. Two of the would be home invaders were shot.... http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/fairborn-poli... -.
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Feb 1, 2013 ... Georgia mother shot an intruder only when he chased and cornered her and ... Mon Jan 28, 2013: 5 men break into a Fairborn, OH home brandishing a firearm..../news/2013/jan/29/v ancouver-police-prowler-shot-k illed-northeast-van/... Forks homeowner fires one shot to scare off an intruder in his home.
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Feb 1, 2013 ... Georgia mother shot an intruder only when he chased and cornered her and ... Mon Jan 28, 2013: 5 men break into a Fairborn, OH home brandishing a firearm..../news/2013/jan/29/v ancouver-police-prowler-shot-k illed-northeast-van/... Forks homeowner fires one shot to scare off an intruder in his home.

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GUN WATCH: OH: Home invasion suspect dies of gunshot wound

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#667 Feb 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Sunday Dec 9, 2007
Matthew Murray killed two people at the Youth with a Mission, a missionary training facility in Arvada, Colorado. He then drove to New Life Church, 65 miles away in Colorado Springs.
Before the shooting, Murray left several violent and threatening messages on several religious websites, espousing his hatred for Christianity and his intentions on killing as many Christians as possible.
One message read: "I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the ...teeth and I WILL shoot to kill... God, I can't wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
To fulfill his threat, Murray had three weapons, over 1000 rounds of ammunition and smoke canisters on his person when he arrived at the the New Life Church. He was armed with a customized Bushmaster XM15 Assault Rifle, a Beretta .40 cal. semi-automatic handgun and a Springfield 9mm semi-automatic handgun. An AK-47 Assault Rifle was later found in his vehicle. He placed one smoke canister at the north entrance, another at the south entrance and then drove to the east entrance where he shot a father and his two teenage daughters sitting in their vehicle in the parking lot. Both girls died from their wounds, He then fired more rounds at the east entrance and into the parking lot striking a woman in the shoulder sitting in her car. He entered the east entrance to the church complex. There were 7000 people at the church campus at the time. He fired off more rounds in the hallway hitting a man in the arm. It was here that 42 year old Jeanne Assam, an armed volunteer with a concealed carry permit, confronted Murray. Pointing her 9mm Beretta semi-auto handgun at the gunman, she ordered him to surrender and he fired three times but missed her and she returned fire all the while walking directly towards him yelling for him to surrender. She fired five times, striking Murray four time and putting him down. While down he placed a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger and committed suicide. The man wounded in the hallway, a Vietnam combat veteran , stated her action that day was the bravest thing he had ever seen. She is credited with saving at least a hundred lives that day and very possibly preventing the worse mass killing in US history.
Why We Must Ban High-Capacity Gun Magazines - Huffington Post www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-frank-lautenberg/p...

Loughner's massacre ended only when he stopped to reload and bystanders wrestled him to the ground. If he had used a .... Here's how long it takes to change a handgun magazine. Don't blink .... "No one is trying to take away your guns" ...
Jared Lee Loughner - The New York Times topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/... ...

Mr. Loughner was charged with five federal counts, including the attempted assassination of a member of Congress. In March, federal prosecutors filed 49 ...

Since: Aug 12

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#668 Feb 22, 2013
Ill be an outlaw then because me and millions of others sure as hell wont turn our high capacity magazines in and my Cobb county sheriff Neil Warren wont enforce any dumbass laws of the sort and I personally know that the sheriff bordering YOUR OWN COUNTY in ohio, pigh, that will follow suit and not enforce those laws either......
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Now whatchya gonna do?

Since: Aug 12

United States

#669 Feb 22, 2013
By the way, in loughners case, you were dealing with a novice in regard to strategically being able to swap magazines and keep going. Anyone smarter than him such as the Virginia Tech shooter obviously took that aspect out of the equation.....:-/
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#670 Feb 22, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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What is false? What are you talking about.
I'm talking about story one, where a Georgia woman heard an intruder, hid in a closet with her twin children, and when the intruder opened the closet door, she shot him seven times with a revolver, and not only did he live, he was still conscious when police arrived. All she had was seven bullets. Good thing the guy didn't break into her home with two other friends.

The video of the Ohio troopers who were shot at close range and returned fire. Both criminals missed the troopers and both troopers missed the criminals in the multiple fire exchange. Imagine if the troopers had limited magazines.

The video I posted of how quickly a magazine can be exchanged and shooter continue firing.

That's what I'm talking about.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#671 Feb 22, 2013
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Why We Must Ban High-Capacity Gun Magazines - Huffington Post www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-frank-lautenberg/p...
Loughner's massacre ended only when he stopped to reload and bystanders wrestled him to the ground. If he had used a .... Here's how long it takes to change a handgun magazine. Don't blink .... "No one is trying to take away your guns" ...
Jared Lee Loughner - The New York Times topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/... ...
Mr. Loughner was charged with five federal counts, including the attempted assassination of a member of Congress. In March, federal prosecutors filed 49 ...
Which is wonderful if there are dozens of people shoulder to shoulder to tackle the guy. But that's not the scenario in most cases. It's the exception--not the rule. As the reports go, the Colorado shooter changed clips several times, and nobody was around to stop him.

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#672 Feb 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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I'm talking about story one, where a Georgia woman heard an intruder, hid in a closet with her twin children, and when the intruder opened the closet door, she shot him seven times with a revolver, and not only did he live, he was still conscious when police arrived. All she had was seven bullets. Good thing the guy didn't break into her home with two other friends.
The video of the Ohio troopers who were shot at close range and returned fire. Both criminals missed the troopers and both troopers missed the criminals in the multiple fire exchange. Imagine if the troopers had limited magazines.
The video I posted of how quickly a magazine can be exchanged and shooter continue firing.
That's what I'm talking about.
A 9MM is not a revolver, XX. See story below.

Jan 29, 2013 ... Two people were in an Ohio home when five men stormed the residence with the intent to assault or rob the occupants. A struggle ... A struggle ensued in which one of the residents was injured. Two of the would be home invaders were shot.... http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/fairborn-poli ...-.
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#673 Feb 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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I'm talking about story one, where a Georgia woman heard an intruder, hid in a closet with her twin children, and when the intruder opened the closet door, she shot him seven times with a revolver, and not only did he live, he was still conscious when police arrived. All she had was seven bullets. Good thing the guy didn't break into her home with two other friends.
The video of the Ohio troopers who were shot at close range and returned fire. Both criminals missed the troopers and both troopers missed the criminals in the multiple fire exchange. Imagine if the troopers had limited magazines.
The video I posted of how quickly a magazine can be exchanged and shooter continue firing.
That's what I'm talking about.
No one, XX, and I mean no onr believes that we can stop all mass shootings, but we should do what we can to limit the casualties and prevent even one 6 year old from dying, if we can.
Reloading. See below.
Loughner's massacre ended only when he stopped to reload and bystanders wrestled him to the ground. If he had used a .... Here's how long it takes to change a handgun magazine. Don't blink .... "No one is trying to take away your guns" ...
Jared Lee Loughner - The New York Times topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/ ......
There's Little We Can Do to Prevent Another Massacre - The ... www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/17/the... ...
Dec 17, 2012 ... When one tries to picture the mind that plans it, one quickly comes to a dead end.... Adam Lanza, the apparent shooter, had some sort of moderately severe .... been gang-rushed by fast-thinking primary school students if he stopped to reload?... We are not talking about an end to spree killing, only about a ...
Colin Ferguson (mass murderer)- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_ (mass_murderer)
In one of the calls, he made reference to a massacre that occurred in California.... Ferguson, who sat on the southwestern end of the car, was carrying his handgun and a ... While reloading his third magazine, somebody yelled, "Grab him!... that no further violence take place and that the shooter be held rather than attacked.
2011 Tucson shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting
Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the ... The attack occurred near the Safeway main entrance, which is below the gable-end.... Authorities have said the alleged shooter's motive was unknown...... "US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot as six die in Arizona massacre".
How Walmart Helped Make the Newtown Shooter's AR-15 the Most ... www.thenation.com/article/171808/how-walmart-... ...
Dec 19, 2012 ... By the end of that year, the FBI received 16.4 million background check ... and at the local Walmart—the latter because he could reload there....“I'm not against guns; I'm not trying to go against the NRA,” Brown said.... Also in this issue, the editors say nothing like the Newtown massacre ever needs to ...

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