Holocaust victims mourned at Auschwitz and beyond

Jan 27, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WAND-TV Decatur

27, 2013. . A woman lights a candle during a ceremony marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day in Russia's first Jewish Museum in Moscow, Russia, Sunday, Jan.

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Then explain - how is fascism going to bring anything good for anyone?
It is morally, culturally, historically better than demokracy. Fascist countries prospered until destroyed by Zionist led Allies.
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Cared about you when? What were those grave problems which you speak about? THe "genocide" over hungarians in Vojvodina? THe "forced assimilation"?
Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2. Up to 50 000 Hungarians were massacred after WW2 alone, and many were deported.
Hungarians in Vojvodina down by 50% since Trianon.

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If you are talking about WWI, apart from that being a different time then today, you couldn't expect to go to war with no pretext, do horrible things,then lose the war, and have no concequences.
Hun parliament was against the war.
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The same could apply for WWII. Nothing absolves hungarians fighting for the nazis, just like nothing absolved serbs fighting for the nazis.
Wrong, Hungarians were on the correct side, fighting for the correct cause. Our stance in WW2 is perfectly and 100% justifiable.
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I'm asking you to recognize the problems here..
I do recognize that you have problems too.
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.Serbs are in a much more difficult position then hungarians anywhere...
Not true.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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It is morally, culturally, historically better than demokracy. Fascist countries prospered until destroyed by Zionist led Allies.
Morally better?!? MORALLY?!? Do you know what morality is? How is a social order which justifies war,ethnic cleansing and brainwashing indoctrination in any way moral?
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Hun parliament was against the war.
...and yet,strangely enough,Hungary still went to war...
Serbia didn't attack Hungary,it was the other way around...so,saying that Hungary was against the war doesn't sound very true...
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Wrong, Hungarians were on the correct side, fighting for the correct cause. Our stance in WW2 is perfectly and 100% justifiable.
And that correct cause was...what? Bowing down to nazis and colaborating with them in their twisted plans becuase at the time they were the superior military power?
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Not true.
Hm...look at it this way:

you said - "Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2. Up to 50 000 Hungarians were massacred after WW2 alone, and many were deported.
Hungarians in Vojvodina down by 50% since Trianon."

As you put it, the population of hungarians in Vojvodina was halved during a turbulent (world wide) 90 or so years. But,toher then that, the hungarians today aren't assimilated or threatened in any way. They are treated the same as any citizen of Serbia.

on the other hand - Serbs in Krajina were ethnically cleansed in a period of few days or weeks, and even today their every human right there is denied. Most serbs who attempt to return to their lost homes there are either arrested or simply denied entry. The population of serbs in Kosovo has decreased waaay more then your 50%, and all in a decade, while all that time the terror over the remaining serbs persists,with no reaction from the "peace keepers" there. No mention of the human rights, of course.

So,as you can see, the problems of the serbian people are much much greater then those of hungarians in Vojvodina.
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Morally better?!? MORALLY?!? Do you know what morality is? How is a social order which justifies war,ethnic cleansing and brainwashing indoctrination in any way moral?
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...and yet,strangely enough,Hungary still went to war...
Serbia didn't attack Hungary,it was the other way around...so,saying that Hungary was against the war doesn't sound very true...
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And that correct cause was...what? Bowing down to nazis and colaborating with them in their twisted plans becuase at the time they were the superior military power?
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Hm...look at it this way:
you said - "Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2. Up to 50 000 Hungarians were massacred after WW2 alone, and many were deported.
Hungarians in Vojvodina down by 50% since Trianon."
As you put it, the population of hungarians in Vojvodina was halved during a turbulent (world wide) 90 or so years. But,toher then that, the hungarians today aren't assimilated or threatened in any way. They are treated the same as any citizen of Serbia.
on the other hand - Serbs in Krajina were ethnically cleansed in a period of few days or weeks, and even today their every human right there is denied. Most serbs who attempt to return to their lost homes there are either arrested or simply denied entry. The population of serbs in Kosovo has decreased waaay more then your 50%, and all in a decade, while all that time the terror over the remaining serbs persists,with no reaction from the "peace keepers" there. No mention of the human rights, of course.
So,as you can see, the problems of the serbian people are much much greater then those of hungarians in Vojvodina.
you servians are the biggest troublemakers in the Balkans since 1389
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Feb 7, 2013
 
in Servia all other nationalities are treated as foreigners and evil. that is typical servian pathological sickness since 1389

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#329
Feb 7, 2013
 
Balkan nations only wanted freedom which we finally achieved in 1912. United, working as one.
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Israel Land of Terrorism wrote:
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Does the ends sometimes justify the means?
I mean does excessive tolerance of "Issues" always lead to better moral outcomes?
Take the U.S since the 1960's there has been an increased in "Feel Good Left wing ideals"
Such as since the 1960's the U.S increased civil rights for Blacks, Gays, Women, Increased gun control, Increased Social hand outs.
Does it sound moral & good?
Okay... It sounds moral & good... Like oh well we support moral rights for Blacks, Gays, Women... Oh we stand against guns they are immoral.... Oh we have morals we support the Poor with Government aid.
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..... Yet what happens???
Since then the U.S has been plagued with an increase in murder, crime, rape, single mothers, dirvorce, teen pregnancy, drug use, STD's.
The sort of lax tolerance Left wingers supported while "Sounding Moral?
has ultimately caused an immoral degeneracy of society decay in the U.S.
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...... None of the groups helped in civil rights are better off today if ANYTHING THEY ARE WORSE.
... I mean before Feminism in the 1960's of ciivl rights for women....
Women often stayed home.... Feminism while sounding Moral.
Lead to an increase of Women who wanted to work & BE EQUAL & TREATED like men.
As a result this caused conflict of a natural balanace of raising families & having a Male figure vs a Female figure.
As a result this increased single mothers due to working women acting like men causing tension & conflict splitting up families.
Causing generations of kids to grow up with the pain of divorce.
Leading to working single mothers since feminism... As opposed to stay at home mothers with loving husbands before feminism.
Ultimately it has confused the dating scene... Men are confused because women act more like Men now.... It makes men frustrated over things.
.... As Women are suppose to be women & Mne are suppose to be Men that is how we connect with a Yin & Yang sort of balance.
With women acting more like men it causes tension & conflict between relationships.
As a result causes problems.
Is this better for women?
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.......Since the 1960's civil rights for Gays have been plagued by a much worse HIV / AIDS / STD epidemic.
Is this good for Gays?
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....... Since the 1960's civil rights for Blacks... Black neighborohoods were plagued with a massive increase in welfare dependency, gangs, murder, crime, single mothers ect
Is this good for Black people in the U.S?
I think you are twisting my point here...

The fact that the US is not sincere with their intent to fight the violation of human rights doesn't justify someone else intent to reinforce the violation of human rights...

For instance,if someone is claiming he is against rape and still goes on raping, that doesn't mean that we should all say "rape is ok" and support it...

Fascism is the most dangerous of social orders...Communism has it's flaws which are basically the flaws of human nature (one man seeking power over others), capitalism has some more flaws (legalising those seeking power and giving them more power),but they are at least bearable...Fascism is basically brainwashing, and can easily escalate...That's why it shoudn't be supported,ever again...

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Morally better?!? MORALLY?!? Do you know what morality is? How is a social order which justifies war,ethnic cleansing and brainwashing indoctrination in any way moral?
Bit idiotic for someone whose country was bombed the shit out of by demokratic, capitalist and "Pro Human right" NATO.
How many wars were started by Fascist Spain?
How many wars were started by Demokratic Capitalist USA?
How many wars were started by Demokratic Britain, Demokratic France?
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...and yet,strangely enough,Hungary still went to war...
Serbia didn't attack Hungary,it was the other way around...so,saying that Hungary was against the war doesn't sound very true...
Prime minister István Tisza did oppose the war, that is fact.
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And that correct cause was...what? Bowing down to nazis and colaborating with them in their twisted plans becuase at the time they were the superior military power?
Oh no.
Ok, first of all, Hungary did not collaborate with the Nazis, we were allied with them. That is a difference.
For us, so called "collaboration" was something completly different to Ustasha collaboration, Chetnik Collaboration, Baltic collaboration, etc.

Hungary's Authoritarian Nationalist Conservative government came to power in 1920. And these politicians more or less ruled the country(sometimes they were right wing conservatives, other time they were Fascists, we had a democracy) until 1944, when the Authoritarian Nationalist conservative was replaced by a National Socialist goverment.

Our aim was to fight against internional Jewry, capitalism, communism, liberalism, and most importantly to fight for our lost territories, which was our single and most important aim.
But, in the 20s, we had no allies except Fascist Italy, and we were in a very bad situation. Then Hitler came into power, things turned in our favour. Our policies and aims were similar to that of Hitler, so naturally we seeked alliance with them.
Prime minister of Hungary Gyula Gömbös
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_G%C3%B6mb%...

was the first foreign politician to meet Hitler and congratulate him on his victory. And later on discuss the issues of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, how those countries should be split up, etc.

Hm...look at it this way:
you said - "Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2. Up to 50 000 Hungarians were massacred after WW2 alone, and many were deported.
someonesmart wrote:
Hungarians in Vojvodina down by 50% since Trianon."
As you put it, the population of hungarians in Vojvodina was halved during a turbulent (world wide) 90 or so years. But,toher then that, the hungarians today aren't assimilated or threatened in any way. They are treated the same as any citizen of Serbia.
on the other hand - Serbs in Krajina were ethnically cleansed in a period of few days or weeks, and even today their every human right there is denied. Most serbs who attempt to return to their lost homes there are either arrested or simply denied entry. The population of serbs in Kosovo has decreased waaay more then your 50%, and all in a decade, while all that time the terror over the remaining serbs persists,with no reaction from the "peace keepers" there. No mention of the human rights, of course.
So,as you can see, the problems of the serbian people are much much greater then those of hungarians in Vojvodina.
Around 50 000 Hungarians in Vojvodina were murdered, and another 50 000 were deported. Not to mention a similar amount of Germans also.
How many Serbs were deported from Krajina? About 150 000? Not that different.

By the way, Vojvodina is not our only issue.

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That someonesmart is clearly that pro westerm simpleton which think if will be licking Germn ass Serbia will be accepted in EU.

Even though it will be, western Europeans will always treat Serbs as subhuman slaves.

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Even though it will be, Western Europeans will always treat Eastern Europeans as subhuman slaves.
Corrected that for you.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
But wait Alexey, I wont tolerate using such words for Serbs.

And didnt you Russians gave us to west? I think I heard today on the news that Russians urged EU to give us accession talks sooner. I aint sure, I pray to God that I heard wrong, and it better be wrong.
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Alexey25 wrote:
That someonesmart is clearly that pro westerm simpleton which think if will be licking Germn ass Serbia will be accepted in EU.
Even though it will be, western Europeans will always treat Serbs as subhuman slaves.
When you don't know anything about someone,it is best to just keep your mouth shut about them. Are we clear on that?

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N I 4 N I wrote:
But wait Alexey, I wont tolerate using such words for Serbs.
And didnt you Russians gave us to west? I think I heard today on the news that Russians urged EU to give us accession talks sooner. I aint sure, I pray to God that I heard wrong, and it better be wrong.
This is what a big deal of Serbs wants themselves.

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Western Europeans are extremely arrogant towards eastern Europeans.

They are very sneaky scumbags either.

I heard about British hooligans but all the Brits I ever saw were cowardly creatures.

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When you don't know anything about someone,it is best to just keep your mouth shut about them. Are we clear on that?
There are a lot of Serbs who support Serbia joining in EU and yu are clearly one of them.

You certainly like democracy.

Last thing that Serbia needs is democracy.

Serbia needs a strong leader of Miloshevich type.

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Alexey25 cut the bullshit, and tell me what you really support.

One day you promote "Liberal demokracy" and write hate speech against anyone who opposes "liberal demokracy", then you write about having an undemokratic strong leader.

So WTF?

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Alexey25 wrote:
Western Europeans are extremely arrogant towards eastern Europeans.
They are very sneaky scumbags either.
True
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I heard about British hooligans but all the Brits I ever saw were cowardly creatures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Bit idiotic for someone whose country was bombed the shit out of by demokratic, capitalist and "Pro Human right" NATO.
How many wars were started by Fascist Spain?
How many wars were started by Demokratic Capitalist USA?
How many wars were started by Demokratic Britain, Demokratic France?
Again you go with your twisting of simple logic...They didn't start any war because they were democratic, the fact is that they aren't democratic...They just pretend to be...USA today is something closest to nazi Germany...THey have surplus weaponry, they have surplus people to fight for them, the only difference is that USA doesn't use nationalism/patriotism, but the weak economic state of it's citizens..although, Hitler and Musolini used the same thing,I guess...It's like that with most european wealthy states, they people leading them use them to get wealthier/more powerfull... They are not actually exercising democracy there... But that doesn't mean that we should all be fascists just because they are...

You cannot become a bad man under the excuse that there are other men who are bad...
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Prime minister István Tisza did oppose the war, that is fact.
Apparently, he didn't have the majority for such an idea.
You cannot commit crimes and then use the pretext how "you didn't mean it". A crime is a crime. DId hungary go to war? Yes. Did Hungary lose? Yes. Were all the losing sides punished? Yes they were. The fact that some people were against the wars didn't seem to matter in the recent wars in the Balkans, so I don't see why they should matter in WWI.
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Oh no.
Ok, first of all, Hungary did not collaborate with the Nazis, we were allied with them. That is a difference.
For us, so called "collaboration" was something completly different to Ustasha collaboration, Chetnik Collaboration, Baltic collaboration, etc.
Hungary's Authoritarian Nationalist Conservative government came to power in 1920. And these politicians more or less ruled the country(sometimes they were right wing conservatives, other time they were Fascists, we had a democracy) until 1944, when the Authoritarian Nationalist conservative was replaced by a National Socialist goverment.
Our aim was to fight against internional Jewry, capitalism, communism, liberalism, and most importantly to fight for our lost territories, which was our single and most important aim.
So,you weren't conquered by germans, you willingly helped them. That's even worse. Plus, you lost that war too.
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<quoted text>But, in the 20s, we had no allies except Fascist Italy, and we were in a very bad situation. Then Hitler came into power, things turned in our favour. Our policies and aims were similar to that of Hitler, so naturally we seeked alliance with them.
Prime minister of Hungary Gyula Gömbös
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_G%C3%B6mb%...
was the first foreign politician to meet Hitler and congratulate him on his victory. And later on discuss the issues of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, how those countries should be split up, etc.
I just don't get you... So,hungarians allied with Hitler,and wanted to get their share of spoils from the war...
I don't know how to break this to you,but - Hitler lost. Hungary lost. The Axis was beaten...And you still wan't to be declared a victor?
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Around 50 000 Hungarians in Vojvodina were murdered, and another 50 000 were deported. Not to mention a similar amount of Germans also.
You are pulling things out of context.
They were deported and killed AFTER they attacked and occupied these lands. Sure,there was injustice, but it was a post-war frenzy,it existed everywhere.
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How many Serbs were deported from Krajina? About 150 000? Not that different.
Over 250 000, actually. And they are illegaly prevented to return.
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There are a lot of Serbs who support Serbia joining in EU and yu are clearly one of them.
You certainly like democracy.
Last thing that Serbia needs is democracy.
Serbia needs a strong leader of Miloshevich type.
Lets get this straight:

If you are asking me whether I think Serbia should join the EU,my answer is - NO.

If you are asking me whether I think EU will accept Serbia, my answer is - NO.

If you ask me whether Serbia should learn from the EU how to raise the standard of it's citizens, the answer is - yes.

If you are asking me whether I like democracy, the answer is - yes. But not american "forced democracy",but true democracy, equality, freedom and justice. Communism is the ideal democratic society, for example.

And,a strong leader doesn't contradicts democratic society. You can have a democracic order in the state and have a powerfull man as a leader (presiden, prime minister, king,or whatever).
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What serbs need is a will to unite and work. Nothing more.

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TheRealMagyar wrote:
Alexey25 cut the bullshit, and tell me what you really support.
One day you promote "Liberal demokracy" and write hate speech against anyone who opposes "liberal demokracy", then you write about having an undemokratic strong leader.
So WTF?
Liberal democracy destroys our enimies, so they should have liberal democracy.

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