EU mulls further sanctions on Russia ...

EU mulls further sanctions on Russia over Crimea

There are 186 comments on the WIS-TV Columbia story from Mar 20, 2014, titled EU mulls further sanctions on Russia over Crimea. In it, WIS-TV Columbia reports that:

Russia faces further sanctions from the European Union on Thursday over its annexation of the Crimean Peninsula as tensions in the region remained high despite the release of a Ukrainian naval commander.

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Robert

Douglasville, GA

#1 Mar 20, 2014
Ha BS they eu can't do much to putin without hurting their own economies.
lamer

Hamilton, OH

#2 Mar 20, 2014
Robert wrote:
Ha BS they eu can't do much to putin without hurting their own economies.
Seems russia's economy is the one that has been taking a hit since all this started.

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#3 Mar 20, 2014
lamer wrote:
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Seems russia's economy is the one that has been taking a hit since all this started.
Say that when you have to buy more expensive gass and oil from norway ^^
Military Man

San Francisco, CA

#4 Mar 20, 2014
Stupid moves by Europe. If Russia cuts off their oil and gas pipelines, the European economies will crash like lead balloons.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#5 Mar 20, 2014
Without Russian oil, Russia has virtually nothing to offer the EU. Without Russian oil, Russia's economy would be devastated, become isolated as it was during the cold war. Perhaps the Russian people would rebel against Putin and his regressive economic policies and backward social policies.

Without Russian oil, the EU would buy buy oil from other suppliers and be motivated to move quickly to become less dependent on oil. Without Russian oil, the EU would only be inconvenienced, not devastated.

Discuss.
Observer

United States

#6 Mar 20, 2014
Ukraine will do it for them.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#7 Mar 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
Ukraine will do it for them.
Do what? Cut off Russia's oil pipeline to the EU?
LOL

United States

#8 Mar 20, 2014
kuda wrote:
Without Russian oil, Russia has virtually nothing to offer the EU. Without Russian oil, Russia's economy would be devastated, become isolated as it was during the cold war. Perhaps the Russian people would rebel against Putin and his regressive economic policies and backward social policies.
Without Russian oil, the EU would buy buy oil from other suppliers and be motivated to move quickly to become less dependent on oil. Without Russian oil, the EU would only be inconvenienced, not devastated.
Discuss.
What's to discuss? You've been reading Economics for Idiots. It's a best seller in Washington too, I hear.

China will absorb much of that oil and gas. Take Europe out of the picture and Russia-China trade will blossom. Sanction access to financial markets and it'll only expedite the alternate structures they've been advocating for years now. Russia is resource rich, hardly just in oil. Sanctions may hurt some oligarchs but that's a good thing. They still have nasty habits of expatriating too many profits offshore. They'll be forced to put capital to work in Russia and as far as China goes, at this stage, they can produce anything we can and cheaper. It'll become Japan X 10 soon enough. Where's the downside and for whom? You figure out the rest.
LOL

United States

#9 Mar 20, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Do what? Cut off Russia's oil pipeline to the EU?
Duh? Yarosh already threatened to blow it up. He'd be doing Russia a favor. These ultra-nationalists are a moronic bunch. Troglodytes in suits. Lipstick on a pig.
LOL

United States

#10 Mar 20, 2014
Besides, it's NOT Russia's pipeline. It's Ukraine's, or don't you follow the news of the past decade?
George

Red Deer, Canada

#11 Mar 20, 2014
kuda wrote:
Without Russian oil, Russia has virtually nothing to offer the EU. Without Russian oil, Russia's economy would be devastated, become isolated as it was during the cold war. Perhaps the Russian people would rebel against Putin and his regressive economic policies and backward social policies.
Without Russian oil, the EU would buy buy oil from other suppliers and be motivated to move quickly to become less dependent on oil. Without Russian oil, the EU would only be inconvenienced, not devastated.
Discuss.
What you have typed is very close to what the EU is discussing. Unfortunately Ukraine is very dependant on Russia for oil and gas and by default so is Crimea, Cut off Ukraine and you effectively cut off Crimea. It is going to get a lot worse in the immediate future and I agree with you that the Russian people will start to protest Putins selfish acts and push him out of government, if it can go past his second in command. The Duma is very sensitive to protests and the people as they to want to get re-elected.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#12 Mar 20, 2014
Putin has effectively annexed Crimea and he appears eager to annex in part or in whole the balance of Ukraine.

Should the US intervene, and if so, why should it and how exactly should it?
Military Man

San Francisco, CA

#13 Mar 21, 2014
LOL wrote:
Besides, it's NOT Russia's pipeline. It's Ukraine's, or don't you follow the news of the past decade?
The pipeline itself will serve no purpose if the oil and gas flow is shut off in Russia.
Military Man

San Francisco, CA

#14 Mar 21, 2014
kuda wrote:
Putin has effectively annexed Crimea and he appears eager to annex in part or in whole the balance of Ukraine.
Should the US intervene, and if so, why should it and how exactly should it?
The Ukraine conflict poses no threat to the US. The only way to stop Putin would be militarily, and that could easily escalate towards a nuclear conflict.

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Since: Dec 07

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#15 Mar 21, 2014
kuda wrote:
Putin has effectively annexed Crimea and he appears eager to annex in part or in whole the balance of Ukraine.
Should the US intervene, and if so, why should it and how exactly should it?
There are a number of ways that the US could intervene, the best way of doing so would be a group of military "advisers and trainers" that could be invited by Ukraine to train and run war games with the Ukraine military and dare the Russians to attack thus giving grounds for activation of Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

We could take Russian alone, but having the rest of NATO would ease the burden.

But in the end Russian would most likely run for their nukes and then sue for peace, Ukraine could even get Crimea back through the treaty talks.
Cordwainer Trout

Brownsville, KY

#16 Mar 21, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
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There are a number of ways that the US could intervene, the best way of doing so would be a group of military "advisers and trainers" that could be invited by Ukraine to train and run war games with the Ukraine military and dare the Russians to attack thus giving grounds for activation of Article 5 of the NATO treaty.
We could take Russian alone, but having the rest of NATO would ease the burden.
But in the end Russian would most likely run for their nukes and then sue for peace, Ukraine could even get Crimea back through the treaty talks.
The US has been funding a takeover of Ukraine by extremist elements since 1997. Billions of US taxpayer dollars have gone to funding neo-Nazi groups, who hide behind hoods and violence and have their leaders meet with Senator McCain. Why was McCain in Kiev meeting with neo-Nazis in latter 2013?

The US/EU/Soros Axis wants to destroy Russia's influence because of their discounted natural gas to Ukraine and Europe. This way, the US interests can continue selling US utilities to foreign interests, continuing to increase utility costs to the American consumers, making them slaves to the US/EU/Soros Axis selling their birthrights. They are already talking of selling discounted American natural gas funded with US taxpayer money to Europe and especially Ukraine.

The referendum in Crimea was certainly a lot more democratic than the armed takeover of a legitimately elected government in Kiev.

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#17 Mar 21, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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The US has been funding a takeover of Ukraine by extremist elements since 1997. Billions of US taxpayer dollars have gone to funding neo-Nazi groups, who hide behind hoods and violence and have their leaders meet with Senator McCain. Why was McCain in Kiev meeting with neo-Nazis in latter 2013?
Riiiiiiight.... Because anyone that supported the EU trade deal was really just nazi's

By the way... Godwin's law.
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>The US/EU/Soros Axis wants to destroy Russia's influence because of their discounted natural gas to Ukraine and Europe. This way, the US interests can continue selling US utilities to foreign interests, continuing to increase utility costs to the American consumers, making them slaves to the US/EU/Soros Axis selling their birthrights. They are already talking of selling discounted American natural gas funded with US taxpayer money to Europe and especially Ukraine.
Oh good god almighty there is is much wrong in this paragraph it's hard to believe you think this way...

So Russia selling discounted natural gas is ok but America selling discounted gas is bad? but that isn't what is going on because American natural gas producers aren't allowed to export natural gas outside of the America without exceptions and it's exportation is minimal at best.

In this case you have been watching too much Russia Today it seems.
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>The referendum in Crimea was certainly a lot more democratic than the armed takeover of a legitimately elected government in Kiev.
Seems I remember it differently, I saw protesters demanding that their government honor the deal that was worked out in a trade agreement that was struck, A trade deal that had no down side for Ukraine and wouldn't have threatened a "strong" Russia.

But instead a weak Russia forced the newly elected Ukraine leadership to cancel that trade agreement and take an inferior one with Russia instead, If Russia was strong, they wouldn't have cared if Ukraine signed a trade agreement with the EU and would have offered their trade deal as well as an act of strength and friendship with Ukraine.

But instead being the weak people that they are, they invaded their "friend" nation and robbed them of their land in an act of fear. What is so tragic in this whole situations is people like yourself that actually believe that the United States that wants to see Ukraine weak, It would seem that in my view, it is Russia that wants Ukraine to be weak and dependent on Russia for it's economic security,

If Russia wanted nothing but good things for their friend and if they supported the government in Kiev then they would have been happy to see their friend sign a trade agreement with both the EU and Russia to help their nation grow and be strong.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#18 Mar 21, 2014
More questions have been raised than answers...

1) Is the US taking the right track by imposing economic-based sanctions on Russia? Why?

2) Should the US threaten military intervention against Russia, either independently or through NATO? Why?

3) Now, for the fun question: Is there a multinational and/or corporate wealth and/or power based conspiracy at play fueling the unrest and conflicts in Ukraine/Russia/EU? If so, what is it?
Eleanor

Vernon Hills, IL

#19 Mar 21, 2014
kuda wrote:
Without Russian oil, Russia has virtually nothing to offer the EU. Without Russian oil, Russia's economy would be devastated, become isolated as it was during the cold war. Perhaps the Russian people would rebel against Putin and his regressive economic policies and backward social policies.
Without Russian oil, the EU would buy buy oil from other suppliers and be motivated to move quickly to become less dependent on oil. Without Russian oil, the EU would only be inconvenienced, not devastated.
Discuss.
Without Russian oil being sold to the EU, the price of WORLDWIDE oil will SKYROCKET due to the artificially created 'shortage'.

Everybody will pay more for oil. Every drop of oil that Russia sells at that inflated price will bring them higher PROFIT.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#20 Mar 21, 2014
Eleanor wrote:
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Without Russian oil being sold to the EU, the price of WORLDWIDE oil will SKYROCKET due to the artificially created 'shortage'.
Everybody will pay more for oil. Every drop of oil that Russia sells at that inflated price will bring them higher PROFIT.
Should the US flood Europe with cheap oil as an initiative to undermine Russia's economy?

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