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Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#415 Nov 20, 2012
OH NO You Did not wrote:
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Yep, I would love to see the liberals run a full business and keep it going by themselves and without government help. I figured out another thing and that is the Democrats use the code words of "middle class" to mean "union people". It is like for the Democrats that "comprehensive immigration reform" means "amnesty"; so too that "middle class" means "unions". I mean think about it when he told businesses that you did not build that - what he really meant was that "unions" didn't build that. That is why we have "high-speed rail" to nowhere here in California. You know make do work for state "union" workers. Our socialist-in-chief, Obama, has to charge everybody else for his "middle class" union workers. The Democrats are quick to disguise union workers under the cloak of middle class when they have no idea what it means to be truly middle class.
You are right about the Dems calling union workers "the middle class." I finally got it from listening to Ed Schultz. Hell, in CA the government retirees get $75,000 to $250,000 a year pensions. They pay clerical workers upwards of $75K pensions, house painters get $100K pensions, police get as high as $250K pensions, and that is who Ed Schultz calls "middle class." Some of them are in the one percent of rich people. The government workers' unions OWN CA, it has over $500 billion in unpaid for pension promises, that's why Brown keeps trying to create new taxes and raise current taxes. He has a bill he is trying to pass to force private sector workers to pay into the government pension program, CALPers because the pension is so bankrupt. It makes less than one percent a year but promised it would make over 7 percent every year. Unions were run out of the private sector, out of the trades in the 1970s so they had no were left to go so they went to the Democrats and asked to get into government jobs in exchange for campaign donations. Then, in exchange for big campaign donations, the Dem politicians sign any contract the unions show them and the bills don't come due for a few decades. Now all of those contracts are starting to come due and there is NO money to pay for it, and those politicians are long gone, and the people in CA always vote against new taxes on themselves. So you have all of these people on welfare who do not want to be taxed and the government workers wanting giant pensions at the same time. That's why CA is broke. And look how bad the public schools are, yet the teachers' unions own the state.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#416 Nov 20, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The tea party is not close to taking control of either House, unless you want to pretend the GOP and the tea party are the same thing.
The tea party is more like the pimple on top of the boil which is the GOP.
The Tea Party are the ones voting and voting, trying to control the elections. When Sarah Palin's daughter was on Dancing With The Stars, they voted and voted and did voter fraud a million times and said it was because they want change. They vote their big fat butts off. Put a shinny object in front of them, like Palin, and they keep pushing the button and voting for it. They are retarded but they are the ones who come up with all of these candidates they run and they work and try to get control of the senate.
OH NO You Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#417 Nov 20, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>You are right about the Dems calling union workers "the middle class." I finally got it from listening to Ed Schultz. Hell, in CA the government retirees get $75,000 to $250,000 a year pensions. They pay clerical workers upwards of $75K pensions, house painters get $100K pensions, police get as high as $250K pensions, and that is who Ed Schultz calls "middle class." Some of them are in the one percent of rich people. The government workers' unions OWN CA, it has over $500 billion in unpaid for pension promises, that's why Brown keeps trying to create new taxes and raise current taxes. He has a bill he is trying to pass to force private sector workers to pay into the government pension program, CALPers because the pension is so bankrupt. It makes less than one percent a year but promised it would make over 7 percent every year. Unions were run out of the private sector, out of the trades in the 1970s so they had no were left to go so they went to the Democrats and asked to get into government jobs in exchange for campaign donations. Then, in exchange for big campaign donations, the Dem politicians sign any contract the unions show them and the bills don't come due for a few decades. Now all of those contracts are starting to come due and there is NO money to pay for it, and those politicians are long gone, and the people in CA always vote against new taxes on themselves. So you have all of these people on welfare who do not want to be taxed and the government workers wanting giant pensions at the same time. That's why CA is broke. And look how bad the public schools are, yet the teachers' unions own the state.
You are so totally right. I figured it out when Obama said you didn't build that to businesses and he kept saying that he was defending the middle class. I kept wondering when he was playing with A -list celebrities all the time how he could understand the middle class at all. But then it all fell into place when you use "middle class" as code words for "unions". Replace "unions" when Obama uses the words "middle class" and that explains what he was talking about. You know that he gave most of his speeches to union crowds and many times they were bused in to make him look better, IMO.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#418 Nov 20, 2012
The CEO and the front office people have seen there wages go up 300% in last ten years. The union was not asking for a rasie just not a cut...WHY DOESNT THE MANAGMENT TAKE A CUT ALSO.....that is the issue on this. I bet you if the managment said to union we are gonna take same cut that union would say ok no problem we will also. But the union workers know the managment has seen massive raises in income and benefits. So why should they get a cut just so the top paid slime can get more...
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#419 Nov 20, 2012
OH NO You Did not wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so totally right. I figured it out when Obama said you didn't build that to businesses and he kept saying that he was defending the middle class. I kept wondering when he was playing with A -list celebrities all the time how he could understand the middle class at all. But then it all fell into place when you use "middle class" as code words for "unions". Replace "unions" when Obama uses the words "middle class" and that explains what he was talking about. You know that he gave most of his speeches to union crowds and many times they were bused in to make him look better, IMO.
I'm going to try that. So when he says "middle class" he really means "union workers." That's exactly what is going on. And, with only 7 percent of private sector workers in unions, he is not helping the masses, not one bit. The other 93 percent of workers are nonunion. And, most of the union workers are in government jobs, and I still cannot figure out why government workers need unions to protect them from the government and from the taxpayers. I think the taxpayers need protection from government workers.
Tissue dspenser

Butler, PA

#420 Nov 20, 2012
7% really ? I thought it would be higher than that.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#421 Nov 20, 2012
Tissue dspenser wrote:
7% really ? I thought it would be higher than that.
I think it is only 7 percent. They ran their course and were no longer needed so instead of dying off, they got into government jobs where they are not needed and have no business being. I am waiting for a smart attorney to challenge unions being in government jobs. They can do it. It's a conflict of interest, it is campaign money in exchange for union contracts, it has the power to tax all of the people and is not for profit. Just on the grounds that the government has the power to tax all the people, it must be illegal to have unions in government jobs. How can it be legal for politicians to sign contracts to give taxpayer's money to people and to raise taxes and create new taxes to pay out those big contacts? Any day now some state's attorney is going to challenge unions being in government jobs. They are already looking into how to get out of those contracts. So far all they have is bankrupcy and they can't even get fully out of those contracts with organized bankruptcies.
Dane Thorsen

AOL

#422 Nov 20, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Obama 332
Draft dodger = 206
Election is over.
Pick up a copy of the paper.
Barefoot is right Alicia...look for unemployment to rise to 15% over the next four years as we plummet into nothingness. Elections have consequences. America voted for hopelessness and despair for the American middle class to be nothing but slaves to Obama and our Orwellian Masters from the Hard Left.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#423 Nov 20, 2012
Dane Thorsen wrote:
<quoted text>
Barefoot is right Alicia...look for unemployment to rise to 15% over the next four years as we plummet into nothingness. Elections have consequences. America voted for hopelessness and despair for the American middle class to be nothing but slaves to Obama and our Orwellian Masters from the Hard Left.
Obama and the left will leave America to die, just as Chris Stevens was left to die. Obama refuses to man up.
responder

Columbus, OH

#424 Nov 20, 2012
Dane Thorsen wrote:
<quoted text>
Even Ohio, long seen as a bastion of patriotism and family unity, chose failure and tax slavery over any hope for success for their families by going for Obama.
You're a complete nut, Dane.
responder

Columbus, OH

#425 Nov 20, 2012
ALICIA BANKS wrote:
shame!!!
get used to this...massive layoffs loom due to hobamacare!...
that undocumented alien bankster hobama is a liar and a fraud!
civil war ii and wwiii loom!
and hobama nazi drones must own all that hobama does now!
shame on the sheeple!!!!!!!!
http://aliciabanks.xanga.com/769548050/select...
Funny stuff. Nice parody of the crazy Right...:)
responder

Columbus, OH

#426 Nov 20, 2012
OH NO You Did not wrote:
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Yeah, and Obama will have even less control when the Americans wake up from their dose of socialist Koolaid to see that they are being taxed to death for Democratic nonsense projects like bridges to nowhere and high speed rail for no passengers.
With every post there must be more spittle hitting your computer monitor. You're one of the craziers motherf---ers I've ever seen on these boards, although a perfect example of your kind...LOL
responder

Columbus, OH

#427 Nov 20, 2012
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Please clarify. Maybe English escapes you as a basic language?
No, "racist" is an English word. If you're having trouble, look it up. Then compare the meaning with what you posted. I'm sure that eventually you'll realize what I was saying, and that I was right.

Dismissed.
responder

Columbus, OH

#428 Nov 20, 2012
Dane Thorsen wrote:
<quoted text>
Barefoot is right Alicia...look for unemployment to rise to 15% over the next four years as we plummet into nothingness. Elections have consequences. America voted for hopelessness and despair for the American middle class to be nothing but slaves to Obama and our Orwellian Masters from the Hard Left.
It's no secret that the radical RIght have wanted America to fail ever since Mr. Obama became President, but as he's in his second and final term, isn't this wearing a bit thing?

Unless you really DO hate America, in which case you should leave or stick a pistol in your mouth.
responder

Columbus, OH

#429 Nov 20, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama and the left will leave America to die, just as Chris Stevens was left to die. Obama refuses to man up.
Did your mom leave you to die, Jimbo? Were you raised by wild animals? Does that account for your apparent mental illness?

It seems possible.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#430 Nov 20, 2012
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Please clarify. Maybe English escapes you as a basic language?
Racist is their go to defense when they have no facts or intellect to refute anotherís claim. These are weak minded individuals steeped in their indoctrination so anything beyond the liberal talking points they are feed they have nothing.
responder

Columbus, OH

#431 Nov 20, 2012
OH NO You Did not wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so totally right. I figured it out when Obama said you didn't build that to businesses and he kept saying that he was defending the middle class. I kept wondering when he was playing with A -list celebrities all the time how he could understand the middle class at all. But then it all fell into place when you use "middle class" as code words for "unions". Replace "unions" when Obama uses the words "middle class" and that explains what he was talking about. You know that he gave most of his speeches to union crowds and many times they were bused in to make him look better, IMO.
Just as when you hear reTHUGlicans using "class war" they really mean "poor and middle class people upset at the widening division of wealth in America." To them, rich people are incapable of "class warfare," even though they have all the power and lobby and pass legislation in their OWN interests constantly.

Unions are made up of middle-class people, to be sure, but not all middle-class people are unionized labor, obviously. ReTHUGlicans have done all they could to destroy unions in recent decades, mostly because they want to reduce the organizing power of the average American and put them into a state of low-paying wage-slavery. Unions also organize during elections, and given that they only represent white people, reTHUGlicans are desperate to destroy the political organizing power of the people. Why else did they go after ACORN so savagely? Why do they always refer to Mr. Obama as "the community organizer?" Because they HATE that.

Obama talks to the middle class because he is of middle class origin. Mr. Romney was not, he was never anything but a spoiled rich boy, and acted like it even AFTER losing the election. My advice to your party would be to choose a man or woman of the PEOPLE next time, if you want to have a chance to succeed. Hell, in that sense PALIN was a better choice than Romney, mentally deficient or not!

LOL

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#432 Nov 20, 2012
responder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, "racist" is an English word. If you're having trouble, look it up. Then compare the meaning with what you posted. I'm sure that eventually you'll realize what I was saying, and that I was right.
Dismissed.
Poor thing. You must have been reared by Big Bird and Sessame Street.

"boy wonder":
1. a man who is unusually successful at an early age
2. a very popular or successful person

Now, if you understand it to mean something else, you have redefined and determined it for yourself to be a racist term. Thus, you are the racist desponder!

No wonder you voted for O'Bama, you're completely CLUELESS.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#433 Nov 20, 2012
responder wrote:
<quoted text>
It's no secret that the radical RIght have wanted America to fail ever since Mr. Obama became President, but as he's in his second and final term, isn't this wearing a bit thing?
Unless you really DO hate America, in which case you should leave or stick a pistol in your mouth.
No. Wrong again (no surprise there), we fear America will fail with O'Blunder at the helm. But, you'll see that soon enough. I'd say if January 1st isn't your wake up call, wait until about the 18th when the unemployment numbers come due. Keep in mind that these are from the Holiday Season.

Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet from your messiah.
responder

Columbus, OH

#434 Nov 20, 2012
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Poor thing. You must have been reared by Big Bird and Sessame Street.
"boy wonder":
1. a man who is unusually successful at an early age
2. a very popular or successful person
Now, if you understand it to mean something else, you have redefined and determined it for yourself to be a racist term. Thus, you are the racist desponder!
No wonder you voted for O'Bama, you're completely CLUELESS.
I understand it to represent the kind of barely-concealed racism typical of your party and your ideology. Deny it if you want, I disregard your dishonest denials.

F--- off.

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