Iraqi Kurds want US help to avoid war with Arabs

The closest U.S. allies in Iraq _ the Kurds _ feel abandoned by Washington these days and say war with the Arab-dominated central government is likely without American pressure to resolve disputes that predate ... Full Story
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Araz Gundy

Kellyville, Australia

#1 Feb 14, 2009
I think what is going to happen is another episode ofthe same serries when central government is strong the first thing to do is to crush the kurds, when US doesn't need thekurds anymore thenthefirst thing is to betray themand let them face their fate alone and alone.....an endless injust, betrayal and sadisticbehaviour...very sorry and sad to happen in theso called civilised!!!!! but actually cruel world
Irresponsible

UK

#2 Feb 15, 2009
The new difference is Barack Obama who favors Arab leader al-Maliki. He has little concern for the newly gained democracy in Iraq. US will lose Kurdish allies, one of its closest in the Middle East. You wanted change? You got it.

Since: Jun 07

btwn L Erie and Ohio R,

#3 Feb 16, 2009
Irresponsible wrote:
The new difference is Barack Obama who favors Arab leader al-Maliki. He has little concern for the newly gained democracy in Iraq. US will lose Kurdish allies, one of its closest in the Middle East. You wanted change? You got it.
They had five years to prepare.

The US wasn't going to stay there
forever.

shadow

Elizabethtown, NC

#4 Feb 16, 2009
f*ck it (grabs work visa heads towards finland)
Aumid Shauni

Södertälje, Sweden

#5 Feb 16, 2009
I think that the Americans should be aware of the Kuds backfire in case they are biased to any of the disputed parties in the region. The best thing in my openion is for the Americans to play a modest clean role and bring together all the parties to the table to negotiate their future freely and according to the rules of law and democracy. This might increase the confidance in the American policies and strategies.
Londoner

Reading, UK

#7 Mar 16, 2009
If USA withdraws before pending issues with the central government and Kurdistan settled, war will take place between Kurds and Baghdad. This will open the way for Al-Qaida to take over most of Iraq outside Kurdistan. All democratic achievements after the liberation of Iraq will be lost. Iraq will become the centre to breed terror and terrorism against the free world. After that the free world has no choice but to come back to Iraq again to dislodge Al-Qaeda.
Kurdistani

Innsbruck, Austria

#8 Mar 16, 2009
Ha, if the US ever wanted to eraze Al-Kaida, they would already have done it.
change?? Yes Mister ARAB Obama, change for Al Kaida,
change for Maliki, change for all of them but change for Kurds??? Doesn´t seem so.
The issues "Arab Obama" is concerning with is the Iran and afterwards Syria. To gain efforts there mister "ARAB Obama" will need some very close friends like the ARABS from Kuweit, Saudia, etc....
And what is happening to the Kurds???
We have been digging another grave for our dream. But this one is deeper then ever before.
Rogue Government

United States

#9 Mar 16, 2009
Londoner wrote:
If USA withdraws before pending issues with the central government and Kurdistan settled, war will take place between Kurds and Baghdad. This will open the way for Al-Qaida to take over most of Iraq outside Kurdistan. All democratic achievements after the liberation of Iraq will be lost. Iraq will become the centre to breed terror and terrorism against the free world. After that the free world has no choice but to come back to Iraq again to dislodge Al-Qaeda.
I think you're right...We shouldn't abandon the Kurds, these people helped the U.S. and paid a heavy price...It will probably create a vacuum if we abandon them...They really are our only friends in the region, they deserve our help...
DarkMan

El Paso, TX

#10 Mar 16, 2009
kurds arabs same thing.
Currently there

Gunpowder, MD

#11 Mar 19, 2009
DarkMan wrote:
kurds arabs same thing.
That is a very ignorant statement Darkman. Kurds and Arabs are completely different races. Read up before making stupid posts, please. As for what we should do, the Kurds have been loyal to America and I hope America stays loyal to the Kurds...this time!!

Since: Jun 07

btwn L Erie and Ohio R,

#12 Mar 19, 2009
Currently there wrote:
<quoted text>.... the Kurds have been loyal to America and I hope America stays loyal to the Kurds...this time!!
Give them all visas to the United States.

Londoner

Reading, UK

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Rogue Government wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you're right...We shouldn't abandon the Kurds, these people helped the U.S. and paid a heavy price...It will probably create a vacuum if we abandon them...They really are our only friends in the region, they deserve our help...
The sure way to eradicate conditions, which breed Al-qaeda type terror and terrorism, is to create a civil, secular and democratic society with free market in the region. So far only people of Kurdistan have been able to establish the foundation of such society. If people of Kurdistan feel secure with the help of the free world like America, this security will give them a confidence and moral value to propel Kurdistan as another Hong Kong in the region. Such achievement will make people of Kurdistan as guardians to lead the rest of the nations in the region to embrace the ideals of civil society and free market. This will uproot all conditions, which breeds Al-qaeda-like terror and terrorism against the free world.
On the other hand, if people of Kurdistan left unprotected, whatever they have built since 1991, will be lost and all the region will fall to extremists and Al-Qaeda. After that the free world especially America has no choice but to come back again to the region to dislodge Al-Qaeda. This is going to cost a lot of life and money again and it is not going to be an easy job.

“Feel The Force”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#14 Mar 19, 2009
shadow wrote:
f*ck it (grabs work visa heads towards finland)
The nation of Finland just went broke. Their economy is in complete shambles. Good luck find a job there now.

“Feel The Force”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#15 Mar 19, 2009
Currently there wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a very ignorant statement Darkman. Kurds and Arabs are completely different races. Read up before making stupid posts, please. As for what we should do, the Kurds have been loyal to America and I hope America stays loyal to the Kurds...this time!!
Completely different ethnicities, not races. "Read up before making stupid posts, please."
Londoner

Reading, UK

#16 Mar 19, 2009
marcaurelius wrote:
<quoted text>
Give them all visas to the United States.
It is not the visa, Kurds want. They want security and protection at their home from their backward neighbours.

“Feel The Force”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#17 Mar 20, 2009
Londoner wrote:
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It is not the visa, Kurds want. They want security and protection at their home from their backward neighbours.
Maybe if they'd stop using terrorist tactics to attempt to force Turkey into giving up a chunk of their southern borders in order to create a Kurdish state, their northern neighbor might be a little more receptive. Europe may still fear the Turk, but never mistake them for backwards.
DarkMan

El Paso, TX

#18 Mar 20, 2009
Currently there wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a very ignorant statement Darkman. Kurds and Arabs are completely different races. Read up before making stupid posts, please. As for what we should do, the Kurds have been loyal to America and I hope America stays loyal to the Kurds...this time!!
Since when are kurds their own race? There are only three races, and dirty arab is not one of them.
Londoner

Reading, UK

#19 Mar 20, 2009
PatriotMissile wrote:
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Maybe if they'd stop using terrorist tactics to attempt to force Turkey into giving up a chunk of their southern borders in order to create a Kurdish state, their northern neighbor might be a little more receptive. Europe may still fear the Turk, but never mistake them for backwards.
What terrorist tactics??? by 'a chunk of their southern borders', I assume you mean North Kurdistan, which is taken over by Turkey by force against the wish of the people of North Kurdistan. People of North Kurdistan have the right to determine their destiny, which will become possible after Turkey joins EU.

As far as we Kurds know we have not used any terror tactics against Turkish people. But Turkish Government has committed countless acts of terror and atrocities against people of North Kurdistan. They have destroyed thousands of Kurdish cities and villages, they have made millions of Kurds refugees. These atrocities and terrorism against Kurds forced Kurds to create North Kurdistan defence Army, PKK, to fight back retarded Turkish Ruling Class and their army. Turkish Ruling Class is a new breed took over power after WW1. They are known as toranies like German Nazies. Before this retarded class took over power, Turkish people were the master of Europe. But now because of this retarded torany ruling class, Turkish people has been degraded to beggars and cheap labour in Europe.

“Feel The Force”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#20 Mar 20, 2009
Londoner wrote:
<quoted text>
What terrorist tactics??? by 'a chunk of their southern borders', I assume you mean North Kurdistan, which is taken over by Turkey by force against the wish of the people of North Kurdistan. People of North Kurdistan have the right to determine their destiny, which will become possible after Turkey joins EU.
As far as we Kurds know we have not used any terror tactics against Turkish people. But Turkish Government has committed countless acts of terror and atrocities against people of North Kurdistan. They have destroyed thousands of Kurdish cities and villages, they have made millions of Kurds refugees. These atrocities and terrorism against Kurds forced Kurds to create North Kurdistan defence Army, PKK, to fight back retarded Turkish Ruling Class and their army. Turkish Ruling Class is a new breed took over power after WW1. They are known as toranies like German Nazies. Before this retarded class took over power, Turkish people were the master of Europe. But now because of this retarded torany ruling class, Turkish people has been degraded to beggars and cheap labour in Europe.
So car bombs and attacks on civilians in Izmir, Ankara, and Istanbul aren't terrorist tactics? North Kurdistan, huh? Kurdistan is far more north than Iraq, I'm afraid, and a little to the East of Turkey. Kurds were displaced to northern Iraq by Russia decades ago, and Turkey has had the same border for 90 years now. I think three generations gone means that the borders are pretty set. The previous Turkish leadership, the Ottoman Empire, controlled that territory prior. Hmmm... still don't see where Kurds had any sovereign claim to it.
Londoner

Reading, UK

#21 Mar 21, 2009
PatriotMissile wrote:
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So car bombs and attacks on civilians in Izmir, Ankara, and Istanbul aren't terrorist tactics? North Kurdistan, huh? Kurdistan is far more north than Iraq, I'm afraid, and a little to the East of Turkey. Kurds were displaced to northern Iraq by Russia decades ago, and Turkey has had the same border for 90 years now. I think three generations gone means that the borders are pretty set. The previous Turkish leadership, the Ottoman Empire, controlled that territory prior. Hmmm... still don't see where Kurds had any sovereign claim to it.
These terrorist attacks have nothing to do with North Kurdistan Liberation Army, PKK. Two groups are responsible for these attacks, which are Turkish Secret security forces and Turkish Army-trained Islamist extremists, both disguise themselves under the name of PKK when they commit these atrocities. Since it’s foundation, PKK many times declared ceasefire and asked for a negotiated settlement, but each time these opportunities undermined by Turkish Secret security forces by committing atrocities against innocent people in the name of PKK. Now at this moment Turkish legal establishment investigates Turkish Security forces about these atrocities.

Turkish Army created Islamic Extremist Groups from criminals, drug dealers, street thugs and dropouts. They trained and armed and instructed them to kill Kurds and Turkish liberals in the disguise of PKK. When this plan became public, Turkish Army by itself started to kill these extremists to prevent all the secrets to come out. So these extremists all went into hiding. Most of them went to Afghanistan, where they created Al-Qaeda. Now you see Turkish Army is responsible for the creation of Al-Qaeda and 11/9 atrocity against Americans. Actually Turkish-Army trained Al-Qaeda was killing Kurds long before Americans heard about them.

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