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Tar Sands: Poisoning Earth and Canada's Good Name

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“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#64 Mar 8, 2013
Cana wrote:
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When the spillage starts...we will expect you to be there with a straw...sucking hard! Just like any guy from the westend worth his salt.
You seem to be familiar with the activites of those westenders. I bet you bend for the westend.
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#66 Mar 8, 2013
TAR SANDS EXPLOITATION = TERRORISM

These filthy polluters are endangering everyone on earth!!!
Cana

Burnaby, Canada

#67 Mar 8, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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Uhhh I'm Canadian you dumbshit, no matter how many times you try and convince yourself otherwise. At least I can say I was BORN here, unlike your mooching, immigrant ass.
But do pray tell, what Canadian companies were present in Detroit 25 years ago that would have been so investment worthy?
Because Detroit has been a shithole for much longer than 25 years, not that you'd know anything about the city.
You are Hamiliton which is Detriot b't lol!
I will type slowly...twenty-five years ago Canadian Gov't,and Companies made several trips to China! Which is helping stupid people like you live in one of the best countries...lol.
Cana

Burnaby, Canada

#68 Mar 8, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to be familiar with the activites of those westenders. I bet you bend for the westend.
I bend over lots of times...dummy, but it has nothing to do with your perverted mind.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#69 Mar 8, 2013
Cana wrote:
<quoted text>
You are Hamiliton which is Detriot b't lol!
I will type slowly...twenty-five years ago Canadian Gov't,and Companies made several trips to China! Which is helping stupid people like you live in one of the best countries...lol.
I'm not in Hamilton either, moron. Never lived there either but keep guessing, even though I already told you where I live and was born you dimwitted buffoon.
Now, I'll type even slower. YOU said, and I quote, "To bad you didn't (with that fat union wage)from detroit; invest in China, OR THE CANADIAN COMPANIES that were 25 years ago...hahaha!"

Now once again, and I'll type even slower this time, which...Canadian...companies.. .were...present...in....Detroi t...25years ago...that...were...so...inves tment...worthy?

Wanna back up your claim or do you still want to play dodgeball like you always do?

And you say I'M lucky to live in Canada LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yep, I'm so stupid I developed 4 patents, built my own company from the ground up and sold it 14 years later for enough money to buy and sell your sorry ass for the rest of my life.
Mind you, that would be a terrible investment, your stock drops lower every time you post your dipshittery.
Cana

Burnaby, Canada

#70 Mar 8, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not in Hamilton either, moron. Never lived there either but keep guessing, even though I already told you where I live and was born you dimwitted buffoon.
Now, I'll type even slower. YOU said, and I quote, "To bad you didn't (with that fat union wage)from detroit; invest in China, OR THE CANADIAN COMPANIES that were 25 years ago...hahaha!"
Now once again, and I'll type even slower this time, which...Canadian...companies.. .were...present...in....Detroi t...25years ago...that...were...so...inves tment...worthy?
Wanna back up your claim or do you still want to play dodgeball like you always do?
And you say I'M lucky to live in Canada LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yep, I'm so stupid I developed 4 patents, built my own company from the ground up and sold it 14 years later for enough money to buy and sell your sorry ass for the rest of my life.
Mind you, that would be a terrible investment, your stock drops lower every time you post your dipshittery.
Hamilton is you dream towm...LOL

China welcomed Jean Chretien, and later Paul Marten with their business travellers! We are enjoying that investment now...dummy.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#71 Mar 8, 2013
Cana wrote:
<quoted text>
Hamilton is you dream towm...LOL
China welcomed Jean Chretien, and later Paul Marten with their business travellers! We are enjoying that investment now...dummy.
Still waiting to hear about all those investment worthy Canadian companies that you claimed were in Detroit.
Are you stupid or just refusing to acknowledge you know fuck all about what you're talking about?
If you use what you jokingly call your brain, scroll up and you'll see that I never disagreed with you about the various Canadian PMs trips to China, I just want to know what Canadian companies were so investment worthy in Detroit 25 years ago.

Methinks your mouth is writing cheques that your brain doesn't have a prayer of cashing..AGAIN!

Ok, now make up some strawman and make sure you toss in another ad hominem or two while you act like you never said there were investment worthy Canadian companies in Detroit. It's your standard tactic when you blather some unsubstantiated bullshit that you yanked out of your ass.
Annnnnnnd....go!
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#73 Mar 9, 2013
WTF wrote:
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Huh? That's weird NBC, not your most conservative news outlet, reported that Russia and China had won the contracts to manage the Iraqi oil fields. Weird. You say they didn't, but a major news organization is saying they did. Why would NBC lie about that?
Obama didn't invade Libya? That's weird, because I wonder how a US F-15 ended up in the desert of Libya and the new EW aircraft EA-18G was providing jamming to NATO. Hmmm? And then a Pentagon spokesperson confirmed US troops were present, along with CIA operatives, in Sept 2011, in Libya. And that was reported by the Business Insider.
I smell a conspiracy or maybe you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Oh, by the way, Democrats also enjoy big oil money. Just ask Obama about a little bit of money BP gave him in 2008.
Haliburton, Exxon and BP walked into the oil fields in Iraq as soon as we stopped our massive bombing. Year later, the Iraq people got sick and tired of us and realized we had bombed the crap out of them for their oil, and China, India, Brazil and Russia work together to take the dollar down as being the world's reserve currency, so of course China and Russia got together and took over the oil production in Iraq. Iraq hates the U.S. as much as Russia does.

You better get it that they invade oil rich countries otherwise they will invade Iran next and run up another 5 trillion of debt, and all of this is done for oil companies.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#74 Mar 9, 2013
Those are the BRIC countries - the new rising economies - Brazil, Russia, India and China. Get a clue.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#75 Mar 9, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>Same as their salaries?? So you're telling me that EVERY Old Age Pensioner is merely a retired public servant? Are you stupid or something? <quoted text>Nice strawman, you'll notice I said VETERANS. Somoene that served only one year in peacetime is not or should not be considered a veteran.
<quoted text> Man, I can't WAIT til you reach retirment age. I bet you'll be the first one screaming for your pension. <quoted text>
Wow nice rant. Tell ya what then. Let's just kill off all the old people, all the veterans and all the disabled and then you can have all the money you want.
It's funny how you mention "cancelling" pensions on young people. So old people that worked all their lives are entitled to nothing when they retire, but young people that sit on their fat, useless asses deserve money for NOTHING?
You little lady, are absolutely nuts!!
Let them take reverse mortgages out LMFAOOO yeah lady, cuz rental units have no problem with tenants taking out reverse mortgages on their properties. Or do you assininely believe that every retired person in America lives in $500,000 home?
Old people get most of the tax money, they get 4 times more money from the gov. than young people do. We are broke and going to default on our debt. So yes, you greedy old folks want to live super fat off of the gov. No need to go to extremes and whine like a girl that I want everyone old to die.

There is a big difference between you people being sooooooo greedy and being reasonable. If you wanted $15K a month from various social programs and gov. heatlh care, you need to settle for more like $3K a month. That's the reality of it, and no one would be out in the street nor die from that. They might not be able to travel half the year or buy a second home on the government's dime, nor buy sports cars nor by 3 times more food than they need so they won't be able to be obese. This is a spoiled, obese, lazy, selfish consumerism nation, but now consumerism is down to only those who the gov. gives a lot of money to retired. All of this disgusting stuff has to stop. Especially with triple digit oil prices. The gov. does not owe it to anyone to pay them to live way beyond their means. You old folks are fighting to be the ones who get ALL of the gov. money. Your gig is up. You lost the election. There are more young people than old people and your entitlements use up all of the money and have all of the debt so you all have to take cuts.

If you spent all of your money and did not save, and did not spend to educate your kids, you have nothing to fall back on - don't expect the gov. can let you live fat retired. You all are going to have to live with the selfish choices you made.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#76 Mar 9, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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So you have no solution or ideas, you just want to bitch about oil.
Well that's great and all but unless you have some solutions to the problem, bitching about oil isn't going to net you any new "converts".
Once again, EVEN if/when things get to the point where globalization is gone and we're back to domestic production for purely domestic consumption, it still can't be done without oil. Without oil to make the plastics for your computer, how would you be able to come on here and cry about oil??
I guess you never bothered to read the list of everyday products made from oil. I don't blame you either because it doesn't fit in with your little fantasy world.
You see, products were being made with the by-products of oil LONG LONG before the days of globalization. Why would you expect that to change in a post-globalization world? It doesn't matter whether your computer is made in the USA or China, it still takes oil to make the plastics. It doesn't matter whther you're in the US or China, it still takes oil to make surgical gloves and gowns. It doesn't matter whether you're in China or the US, it still takes oil to lubricate the machines of industry.
A word of advice. Since you're so against the whole idea of pensions for those that earned them, you better start buying up stock in oil companies. I mean if oil is going as high as predicted, you'd be a fool not to get in on the gravy train. Why risk becoming a potential pension mooch?
You are really dumb.

I am not bitching about the high price of oil. You say that to indicate - oh, a woman, she is complaining. You are stupid and sexist.

It matters if gas costs $10 a gallon, that puts the middle class out of having cars. Triple digit oil prices put places like Walmart out of business. If they can no longer make stuff super cheap in China and pay to bring it here, we will go back to small local businesses which would pay people a whole lot more money. If oil prices are high, you don't spent money transporting stuff, you make it locally and don't pay to move it long distances. Duh?? What is your IQ? 90??

If we made things here rather than buy them from China, we no longer make China rich, we have a much stronger economy than China, then China no longer has the money to buy oil. It doesn't have oil. It has to buy oil.

If oil is sky high, then the nations that have oil sit in the catbird's seat, they have the best economies.

You are way stupid.

If oil is $150 a barrel instead of $20 a barrel, the U.S. can't have any big GDP growth ever, and that will force the U.S. to default on it's debt.

If triple digit oil prices end the capitalist growth model, the entire world will have job sharing, contracting economies and the growth model has ended. This is super big changes for the whole world. Can't figure that out? Of I forgot, your IQ is low and yet you think you are worth 5 gov. pensions cause you want them. Wha, wha, you want big huge gov. money and health care cause you spent all your money on you, you, you, and life is always only about you, you, you spending money on you, you, you, but your IQ shows you are worth less than zero.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#77 Mar 9, 2013
paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
..PAMELA....You's are soooooooooooooooooooooooo ..dumb,here...and,you's GREENPEACE and NDP is '''NOT''' Me ...GOD,..eh...
Canadians are fat and dumb same as Americans are. When you find out the U.S. invaded Iraq for it's oil and how the Republicans have oil wars for the oil companies, and how oil is running out, everyone pretends no, none of that is going on. That's how they get away with it, no one is smart enough to even figure out what is going on, and when someone tells them, they are sooooo dumb, they simply insult the person telling them the facts cause they are such simpletons. They want to flip on the TV and let the TV tell them all is well, just blame one party, oil is cheap, we invaded Iraq to get the bad guys, bla, bla, bla. No one wants to deal with anything real. And they dumb everyone down so they believe what they are told on TV. Someone smart comes along and tells them the truth and they lash out and get mean. Stupid people are dangerous, useless AND dangerous.
Cana

Burnaby, Canada

#78 Mar 9, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA old growth forest. Is that what the environazis would have you believe? Lemmie tell you something, I used to live up in Fort Mac before the oil rush. Those oil sands have always been a toxic wasteland. The oil sand is just under the surface so any plants unfortunate enough to take root there would have little chance of long term survival.
I'm sure you've seen those "before" and after pics. Well the ones showing lush forest and clear, blue lakes are bullshit. One of them is actually a Windows7 desktop wallpaper. At least two others I've seen are places I've been since the oil sands became exploited. They still look the same because they aren't anywhere near the oil sands.
Oil doesn't just power the gobal economy, it IS the global economy.
Over 6,000 consumer goods are made from the by-products of oil, hundreds of which are everyday items in our homes. In fact, if it weren't for oil, not only would you not have the computer or device you used to make your post, but the telecom companies that bring you internet and cable or SAT TV access wouldn't exist without it either.
Oil is a necessary "evil". All we can do is make sure it's done with the least environmental cost that we can.
Sure dummy sure!

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paul SHYKORA arts

Calgary, Canada

#79 Mar 9, 2013
..whew.....VOW....Negative,her e..(-)...go forth romantic Alberta,supernatural British Colunbia,golden Saskatchewan and, frontier- Yukon...eh..(+)...yada u u..shalom

1USA1

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#81 Mar 9, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Canadians are fat and dumb same as Americans are. When you find out the U.S. invaded Iraq for it's oil and how the Republicans have oil wars for the oil companies, and how oil is running out, everyone pretends no, none of that is going on. That's how they get away with it, no one is smart enough to even figure out what is going on, and when someone tells them, they are sooooo dumb, they simply insult the person telling them the facts cause they are such simpletons. They want to flip on the TV and let the TV tell them all is well, just blame one party, oil is cheap, we invaded Iraq to get the bad guys, bla, bla, bla. No one wants to deal with anything real. And they dumb everyone down so they believe what they are told on TV. Someone smart comes along and tells them the truth and they lash out and get mean. Stupid people are dangerous, useless AND dangerous.
Canadians and Americans are fat and lazy? You are such a piece of shit, do your political officers bullwhip you, when your idiotic posts fall flat on your ugly face, dumb bitch? <-o

1USA1

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#82 Mar 9, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to be familiar with the activites of those westenders. I bet you bend for the westend.
Nah, Cans has never been out of China. But maybe he/she bends for the bullwhip her/his political officer administers. O.o

1USA1

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#83 Mar 9, 2013
Edit *Cana*
Cana

Burnaby, Canada

#84 Mar 10, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not in Hamilton either, moron. Never lived there either but keep guessing, even though I already told you where I live and was born you dimwitted buffoon.
Now, I'll type even slower. YOU said, and I quote, "To bad you didn't (with that fat union wage)from detroit; invest in China, OR THE CANADIAN COMPANIES that were 25 years ago...hahaha!"
Now once again, and I'll type even slower this time, which...Canadian...companies.. .were...present...in....Detroi t...25years ago...that...were...so...inves tment...worthy?
Wanna back up your claim or do you still want to play dodgeball like you always do?
And you say I'M lucky to live in Canada LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yep, I'm so stupid I developed 4 patents, built my own company from the ground up and sold it 14 years later for enough money to buy and sell your sorry ass for the rest of my life.
Mind you, that would be a terrible investment, your stock drops lower every time you post your dipshittery.
I'm typing very very slowwww now dun oops dummy.

Detroit provides jobs to you Hamilton union guys.

China is where the business investment from Canada went.

LOL..4 patents on what?
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#85 Mar 10, 2013
1USA1 wrote:
<quoted text>Canadians and Americans are fat and lazy? You are such a piece of shit, do your political officers bullwhip you, when your idiotic posts fall flat on your ugly face, dumb bitch? <-o
Americans are the fattest people in the world. America has an obesity epidemic. You are so dumb that you have no clue. I bet you are fat as hell and lazy, typical American. Americans have very low IQs. America is collapsing and it is not coming back. The people in China and India are much smarter, much stronger and thinner, much healthier and they took your manufacturing jobs and now they are all going to college and becoming engineers and computer scientists and they are taking those jobs too. You all sit around dumb, hating college, fat and lazy and think that is a strong people, a strong nation. You have no clue. Other countries are rising up and we are dying off, collapsing. And when a country has fat lazy people with low IQs, it can't compete in today's world.

If the people in China and India take our white colar jobs because they are highly educated and we are not, how can you fight back if you hate college?? You can't.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#86 Mar 11, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>You are really dumb.
I am not bitching about the high price of oil. You say that to indicate - oh, a woman, she is complaining. You are stupid and sexist.
Is that what you think because I used "bitching"? If I was sexist I would have accused you of menstruating all over the thread instead.
Pamela wrote:
It matters if gas costs $10 a gallon, that puts the middle class out of having cars.
Newsflash: Gas is already $10/gallon or close to it all over Europe, still LOTS of cars on the road though. NEXT!
Pamela wrote:
Triple digit oil prices put places like Walmart out of business.
Who the hell cares? Walmart has caused unemployment and the closure of hundreds of businesses. NEXT!
Pamela wrote:
If they can no longer make stuff super cheap in China and pay to bring it here, we will go back to small local businesses which would pay people a whole lot more money. If oil prices are high, you don't spent money transporting stuff, you make it locally and don't pay to move it long distances. Duh?? What is your IQ? 90??
Duh!!! What are you, some failing 1st year economics student? One more time moron, it doesn't matter where shit is made, you STILL need oil to make it. You obviously STILL haven't bothered reading the list of everday consumer goods made from oil and its by-products, so there really isn't much point in taking this any further with you since you're either unwilling or too fucking stupid to understand a basic concept.
Pamela wrote:
If we made things here rather than buy them from China, we no longer make China rich, we have a much stronger economy than China, then China no longer has the money to buy oil. It doesn't have oil. It has to buy oil.
Right, cuz the US is China's only market and the only Western country with corporations in China. And of course, you forget entirely about the reason why so much offshoring has taken place. The American consumer wants ever cheaper goods and the American investor wants bigger dividends. Why do you think Apple hasn't made a damn thing in the US since 1996?
Pamela wrote:
If oil is sky high, then the nations that have oil sit in the catbird's seat, they have the best economies.
You are way stupid.
I'm way stupid? You complain about oil hitting triple digits and then say it'll be a good thing for the oil producing nations. Well guess what stupid, I LIVE in one of those major oil producing nations.
Pamela wrote:
If oil is $150 a barrel instead of $20 a barrel, the U.S. can't have any big GDP growth ever, and that will force the U.S. to default on it's debt.
You must have mistaken me to be an American because in reality, I could give a shit what happens to your country anymore.
Pamela wrote:
If triple digit oil prices end the capitalist growth model, the entire world will have job sharing, contracting economies and the growth model has ended. This is super big changes for the whole world. Can't figure that out? Of I forgot, your IQ is low and yet you think you are worth 5 gov. pensions cause you want them. Wha, wha, you want big huge gov. money and health care cause you spent all your money on you, you, you, and life is always only about you, you, you spending money on you, you, you, but your IQ shows you are worth less than zero.
Very nice rant. Start off with an asshatted assumption about me, throw in an argument that contradicts itself and finish it with a strawman that leads right into an ad hominem. But I do find it amusing that your tiny, little brain assumes I'm an American pensioner. I'm not you dumb twat. But let me leave you with this. There are hundreds of thousands of people on OASDI as their sole source of income. This is their monthly allotment:

Monthly Federal Payment Standard (dollars)

Individual-$710/mo
Couple -$ 1,066

Yep, they sure are raking in the dough though, fkin idiot.

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