House Republicans try to chip away at immigration reform

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The first major immigration reform effort since 1986 came under attack on Tuesday from congressional Republicans who cast doubt on a proposal backed by President Barack Obama to give 11 million illegal immigrants a chance to become citizens.

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#21 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I just think ALL Americans should have to earn their citizenship. Maybe they wouldn't take it for granted if they actually had to give something to their country instead of just having the luck to be born here.
Well, you could have the luck to be born into one of the other
89
Free countries on the planet.
Most of them have Single-Payer Healthcare.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#22 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>In a sense i agree. i look at all the people on this forum that have no clue as to their own country and how it works. they don't even expend a minimal amount of effort to do their civic duty.
Are you talking about some national service? a citizen test? Would kids be citizens until they are old enought to do that/those?
So many have no clue about the constitution or how their government works. Have they never even watched Sesame Street (how a bill becomes a law)?

I do think national service should be required, either in the military or some civil service organization. Obviously allowances would have to be made for the disabled/handicapped, but I would support at least 1 year of service after graduating high school being required in order to go to college, vote, own guns, buy alcohol, drive, be eligible for government programs, etc.

Children under age 18 would have conditional citizenship. If they fail to qualify for full citizenship then they would get a "green card" and remain ineligible for the above listed privileges.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#23 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So many have no clue about the constitution or how their government works. Have they never even watched Sesame Street (how a bill becomes a law)?
I do think national service should be required, either in the military or some civil service organization. Obviously allowances would have to be made for the disabled/handicapped, but I would support at least 1 year of service after graduating high school being required in order to go to college, vote, own guns, buy alcohol, drive, be eligible for government programs, etc.
Children under age 18 would have conditional citizenship. If they fail to qualify for full citizenship then they would get a "green card" and remain ineligible for the above listed privileges.
i agree with a lot of that. having worked with handicapped folks, i know they are able to do so much more than one would think...(look at the DMV office...snark)

I have to admit, that i, like many US citizens, have this incredible stubborn streak and do not like being told what i HAVE to do. it would be a tough sell in this nation.
Dances with Wolves

Baltimore, MD

#24 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how does one get housing and foodstamps with no legal documentation?
Because, you silly goose, asking for documentation is racist, don't you know...lol

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#25 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i agree with a lot of that. having worked with handicapped folks, i know they are able to do so much more than one would think...(look at the DMV office...snark)
I have to admit, that i, like many US citizens, have this incredible stubborn streak and do not like being told what i HAVE to do. it would be a tough sell in this nation.
Oh I have no illusions that this would ever pass, but I can always dream.

For all our stengths, Americans are too often a bunch of spoiled brats with a major sense of entitlement; even our "poor" live better than the "middle class" in many other nations. Most of us are 4th or 5th or 10th generation immigrants who have forgotten why our ancestors came to America in the first place. One of my ancestors drowned in a river during his emigration from Prussia to save his son and give him a chance of reaching America.

That's one of the reasons I support allowing "illegal immigrants" to become citizens. They want it so bad they are willing to risk their lives just to have a chance at what WeTheSheeple take for granted. In the military I served with many African & Asian immigrants who literally put their lives on the line for America even though they weren't citizens. Some of them lost their lives before they got the chance to complete their dream.

Our ancestors would be ashamed of what we've become.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#26 Feb 6, 2013
Dances with Wolves wrote:
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Because, you silly goose, asking for documentation is racist, don't you know...lol
But required by law...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#27 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I have no illusions that this would ever pass, but I can always dream.
For all our stengths, Americans are too often a bunch of spoiled brats with a major sense of entitlement; even our "poor" live better than the "middle class" in many other nations. Most of us are 4th or 5th or 10th generation immigrants who have forgotten why our ancestors came to America in the first place. One of my ancestors drowned in a river during his emigration from Prussia to save his son and give him a chance of reaching America.
That's one of the reasons I support allowing "illegal immigrants" to become citizens. They want it so bad they are willing to risk their lives just to have a chance at what WeTheSheeple take for granted. In the military I served with many African & Asian immigrants who literally put their lives on the line for America even though they weren't citizens. Some of them lost their lives before they got the chance to complete their dream.
Our ancestors would be ashamed of what we've become.
I'd just be happy if most US citizens had a 6th grade level of understanding of their own country...
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#28 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I just think ALL Americans should have to earn their citizenship. Maybe they wouldn't take it for granted if they actually had to give something to their country instead of just having the luck to be born here.
I have no problem with requiring mandatory military or other community service. I've done both. Taking a citizenship test would just be silly.
I do not agree that people are just “lucky” to be born here except in the case of those born to illegal aliens. Most of us were born here because our family members somewhere along the line worked and sacrificed and in many cases gave their lives to assure that we were born in a free country.
Dances with Wolves

Baltimore, MD

#29 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>But required by law...
Ironic isn't it? Required by law. And you really anticipate compliance with the law from people whose very existence in this Country came about by breaking the law. What's another chance to break the law? Forged or stolen papers. Multiple use of the same ID. I'm sure there are many ways for the illegal elements to obtain the required "documentation" without actually being citizens.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#30 Feb 6, 2013
Dances with Wolves wrote:
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Ironic isn't it? Required by law. And you really anticipate compliance with the law from people whose very existence in this Country came about by breaking the law. What's another chance to break the law? Forged or stolen papers. Multiple use of the same ID. I'm sure there are many ways for the illegal elements to obtain the required "documentation" without actually being citizens.
No. No, that is not ironic. learn what that means before you EVER use it again.

i'm sure there is some fraud in the system, there is in any system. but saying that people come here illegally for the free housing and foodstamps is not even remotely true. just people pointing out their own ignorance...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#31 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I'd just be happy if most US citizens had a 6th grade level of understanding of their own country...
Just another indictment of our public school system......

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#32 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Just another indictment of our public school system......
IDK...My girls are freakin' geniuses, and they went through the public school system...

any school system is only as good as the student-parent combo going into it.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#33 Feb 6, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
Still no talk of ending birthright citizenship as part of the deal. This needs to be a part of the "package'.
It'll take a constitutional amendment to get that.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#34 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Just another indictment of our public school system......
Maybe parents rely too much on the school system to raise their kids.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#35 Feb 6, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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It'll take a constitutional amendment to get that.
It needs to be addressed.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#36 Feb 6, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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It'll take a constitutional amendment to get that.
it would be a worthwhile one. a needed one.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#37 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>IDK...My girls are freakin' geniuses, and they went through the public school system...
any school system is only as good as the student-parent combo going into it.
Being the product of a public school myself (and I'm a freakin' genius too if believe IQ testing), I'd agree with that general statement, but the inequities in public school funding does play a role as well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it would be a worthwhile one. a needed one.
It would be another blunder if the GOP signed on to such an effort; many would see it as just another anti-hispanic policy.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#39 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Being the product of a public school myself (and I'm a freakin' genius too if believe IQ testing), I'd agree with that general statement, but the inequities in public school funding does play a role as well.
Well, in my state some of the worst producing schools are spending the most per student. throwing money at the problem is never the answer.

getting parents involved is the key. i have often proposed (along the lines of your citizenship test) a parental education involvement test. if you pass a test showing you are involved in your kid(s) education. you get to take that tax deduction for that child. fail the test and those thousands of dolaars go out the door..

bet we'd see a few more parents at eh conferences then...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#40 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be another blunder if the GOP signed on to such an effort; many would see it as just another anti-hispanic policy.
what does it have to do with anti hispanic. many of our illegal aliens are people from non latino countries here on legal visas that just never left. then they have kids and viola...

it is a archaic part of an amendment and needs to be repealed. again, most developed nations do not go by jus soli. no reason to, in fact it is counterproductive to any rational immigration policy.

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