IRS Apologizes for Scrutiny of Conser...

IRS Apologizes for Scrutiny of Conservative Groups

There are 865 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from May 11, 2013, titled IRS Apologizes for Scrutiny of Conservative Groups. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax exempt status.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Wall Street Journal.

DangerousRiteWin gCrusader

Atlanta, GA

#468 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
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Let's see what we know now.
1. At least 6 Democrat Senators pressured IRS officials to violate the Civil Rights of numerous individuals and organizations opposed to the agenda of the Democrat Administration. That is a Felony.
2. More than one IRS Official lied to Congress. That is a Felony.
3. The President was joking about the IRS targeting conservative groups long before the Inspector's report came out.
4. The President has avoided saying he knew nothing about the IRS targeting conservative groups; instead, he has denied knowing about the Inspector's investigation.
5. The founding fathers knew the power to tax included the power to destroy and that's why they gave Congress the power of the purse and not the President.
Perhaps the best long term solution is to have the IRS Commissioner elected by a majority of the State's governors rather than the President and limit the term to one term of 6 years. Congress would have impeachment powers.
It would be a start. It needs more work.
1. No evidence head of IRS ordered targeting Tea-Party groups
2. Most IRS officials involved had been appointed by GOP administration
3. IRS did same to NAACP under Bush (no GOP outrage)
4. Progressive groups lost their Tax-Exempt status under Obama
5. Karl Rove group has been in competition with Tea-Party groups for donations from republicans
6. GOP appointed officials at the IRS was probably helping GOP incumbents from Tea-Party candidates...
7. As of this minute, Nobody has directly linked IRS actions to the White House

You Lie, A-Ho!
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#469 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Saying something is so does not make it so, but might make it seem so to the weak-minded. Critical thinkers tend not to swallow the bait.
Speaking of deflection, you must know that it is Faux, not the MSM (real news media), that stoops to broadcasting nonsense like Obama-scandal-orama, as it has all week in its not-so-subtle shock-and-awe campaign in an effort to discredit the squeaky-clean Obama administration.
You can LYAO, but be careful not to get it ground up like hamburger or even worse, completely lose it.
Squeaky-clean???????

Congrats, you show you have been completely brainwashed by educators when you called yourself a critical thinker. That's what they call you when you believe everything they want you to believe.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#470 May 17, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry you are incapable of following.
You see, this "imprisoned and impeached" nonsense is what we heard from the left since the day Bush went into Iraq. It's what they echoed for most of Bush's two terms. Of course, you act like it's a new concept of sorts now that a few on the right are calling for the same when it comes to DumBama.
Nothing new here. Only the names and players have been changed.
Since I’m in an especially generous mood, I’ll forgive your personal insult concerning my capabilities (or lack thereof).

The fact is, I’m particular about whom I follow.

When you attack President Obama because someone else attacked President Bush, you attack the wrong person. It’s like President Bush justifying his attack of Iraq with Osama bin Laden's attack of the US.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#471 May 17, 2013
DangerousRiteWingCrusader wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No evidence head of IRS ordered targeting Tea-Party groups
2. Most IRS officials involved had been appointed by GOP administration
3. IRS did same to NAACP under Bush (no GOP outrage)
4. Progressive groups lost their Tax-Exempt status under Obama
5. Karl Rove group has been in competition with Tea-Party groups for donations from republicans
6. GOP appointed officials at the IRS was probably helping GOP incumbents from Tea-Party candidates...
7. As of this minute, Nobody has directly linked IRS actions to the White House
You Lie, A-Ho!
No evidence? I've seen enough to say it is time for grand jury investigations in Washington DC and in other locations. There is no evidence "most IRS officials involved had been appointed by GOP administration." We still haven't been provided a list of names.

There is evidence at least 6 Democrat Senators pressured the IRS to target Republicans, conservatives, the Tea Party groups and other Patriot groups, religious groups, etc. They were arrogant enough to sign a letter demanding the discrimination, although that is not what they called it.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#472 May 17, 2013
DangerousRiteWingCrusader wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No evidence head of IRS ordered targeting Tea-Party groups
2. Most IRS officials involved had been appointed by GOP administration
3. IRS did same to NAACP under Bush (no GOP outrage)
You Lie, A-Ho!
Comparing apples to oranges.

The IRS did look into tax-exempt status with the NAACP based on a speech given from a member that promoted a liberal agenda. The IRS under Bush did not target anything liberal or black. They did not target multitudes of people based on a political agenda, and then give that information to right-wing media groups in effort to tilt an election.

Big difference here. Plus, there was no connection between Bush and that NAACP audit. It was investigated, and the IRS determined that the NAACP violated no terms of conditions for being tax-exempt. There were no IRS investigations on the people who contributed to John Kerry supporters while he ran against Bush either.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#473 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I’m in an especially generous mood, I’ll forgive your personal insult concerning my capabilities (or lack thereof).
The fact is, I’m particular about whom I follow.
When you attack President Obama because someone else attacked President Bush, you attack the wrong person. It’s like President Bush justifying his attack of Iraq with Osama bin Laden's attack of the US.
I think Harry Reid should be charged with contempt of Congress.
He's the one holding everything up. I have never seen a Senate majority leader obstruct Congress as much as he has. Bonehead.

Clinton was saved from his own parties' arrogance by the election that gave control of the house and senate to Republican majorities.

Perhaps that is the only thing that will save Obama from the arrogance of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi; an arrogance that led them to sabotage the US economy in order to get a Democrat in the Oval office.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#474 May 17, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry you missed the irony.
There’s no need to feel sorry. It’s just that I never mistake base sarcasm for the subtle undertones of finely executed irony. Well written irony leaves the reader thinking by questioning whether the writer is being sarcastic or speaking from the heart.

Not to be discouraging, I believe that you could develop into a skilled writer. Topix is a great place to hone those skills.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#475 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I’m in an especially generous mood, I’ll forgive your personal insult concerning my capabilities (or lack thereof).
The fact is, I’m particular about whom I follow.
When you attack President Obama because someone else attacked President Bush, you attack the wrong person. It’s like President Bush justifying his attack of Iraq with Osama bin Laden's attack of the US.
Bush never equated 911 with Iraq. The reason Bush attacked Iraq was to prevent another possible 911 given the fact Iraq had WMD's. Iraq has been a pain in the azz since his father was President.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#476 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see what we know now.
1. At least 6 Democrat Senators pressured IRS officials to violate the Civil Rights of numerous individuals and organizations opposed to the agenda of the Democrat Administration. That is a Felony.
2. More than one IRS Official lied to Congress. That is a Felony.
3. The President was joking about the IRS targeting conservative groups long before the Inspector's report came out.
4. The President has avoided saying he knew nothing about the IRS targeting conservative groups; instead, he has denied knowing about the Inspector's investigation.
5. The founding fathers knew the power to tax included the power to destroy and that's why they gave Congress the power of the purse and not the President.
Perhaps the best long term solution is to have the IRS Commissioner elected by a majority of the State's governors rather than the President and limit the term to one term of 6 years. Congress would have impeachment powers.
It would be a start. It needs more work.
Welcome aboard, Navy Patriot...

I’ve reviewed your presentation. Now I must ask, what is your main point?

Happy Faux Obama-scandal-orama week!
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#477 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome aboard, Navy Patriot...
I’ve reviewed your presentation. Now I must ask, what is your main point?
Happy Faux Obama-scandal-orama week!
I was just trying to provide a list of some of the felonies that we already know occurred. The outgoing IRS Commissioner denies he lied to Congress and he denies any crimes have occurred.

Time for a grand jury investigation. A special prosecutor would be too expensive and lead to a slap on the wrist as we've seen in the past. A grand jury investigation would be less political and less expensive than Congressional committee investigations.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#478 May 17, 2013
Originally, I was inclined to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but after watching him dodge the real question for days, I think he knew.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#479 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I’m in an especially generous mood, I’ll forgive your personal insult concerning my capabilities (or lack thereof).
The fact is, I’m particular about whom I follow.
When you attack President Obama because someone else attacked President Bush, you attack the wrong person. It’s like President Bush justifying his attack of Iraq with Osama bin Laden's attack of the US.
Riiiiiiight....

You know, we still haven't gotten over your statement that the Obama Administration is..."Squeaky Clean"...lol!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#480 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Squeaky-clean???????
Congrats, you show you have been completely brainwashed by educators when you called yourself a critical thinker. That's what they call you when you believe everything they want you to believe.
After ceremoniously welcoming you aboard the USS Kuda and offering an opportunity to make your case, you proceed to tell me I’ve been brainwashed?

I don’t think so! Sure, I’m in a generous mood and have been forgiving insults this week during the Faux Obama-scandal-orama, but please don’t mistake my kindness for weakness. Perhaps you’ve fallen victim to the tradition of rationalizing that education causes intellectual inferiority.

I’ll not ask for an apology, just that you learn to express yourself more respectfully.
VN Vet

Richmond, VA

#481 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot, don't pay any attention to kuda. That fool probably is one of those A-holes working for the IRS up there. Real Americans need to line all those traitors against a wall and shoot them.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#482 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I was just trying to provide a list of some of the felonies that we already know occurred. The outgoing IRS Commissioner denies he lied to Congress and he denies any crimes have occurred.
Time for a grand jury investigation. A special prosecutor would be too expensive and lead to a slap on the wrist as we've seen in the past. A grand jury investigation would be less political and less expensive than Congressional committee investigations.
I agree with you and President Obama that anyone who committed a felony should be prosecuted.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#483 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>Saying something is so does not make it so, but might make it seem so to the weak-minded. Critical thinkers tend not to swallow the bait.

Speaking of deflection, you must know that it is Faux, not the MSM (real news media), that stoops to broadcasting nonsense like Obama-scandal-orama, as it has all week in its not-so-subtle shock-and-awe campaign in an effort to discredit the squeaky-clean Obama administration.

You can LYAO, but be careful not to get it ground up like hamburger or even worse, completely lose it.
Exactly my point about your post!

Lmao! Squeaky clean Obama Administration? Dude! You're gonna get struck by lightning!

Your last statement is simply more deflection. No surprise there.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#484 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Squeaky-clean???????

Congrats, you show you have been completely brainwashed by educators when you called yourself a critical thinker. That's what they call you when you believe everything they want you to believe.
Amen!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#485 May 17, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Harry Reid should be charged with contempt of Congress.
He's the one holding everything up. I have never seen a Senate majority leader obstruct Congress as much as he has. Bonehead.
Clinton was saved from his own parties' arrogance by the election that gave control of the house and senate to Republican majorities.
Perhaps that is the only thing that will save Obama from the arrogance of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi; an arrogance that led them to sabotage the US economy in order to get a Democrat in the Oval office.
I note that you blame and even indict only Democrats. Is that patriotic?
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#486 May 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
After ceremoniously welcoming you aboard the USS Kuda and offering an opportunity to make your case, you proceed to tell me I’ve been brainwashed?
I don’t think so! Sure, I’m in a generous mood and have been forgiving insults this week during the Faux Obama-scandal-orama, but please don’t mistake my kindness for weakness. Perhaps you’ve fallen victim to the tradition of rationalizing that education causes intellectual inferiority.
I’ll not ask for an apology, just that you learn to express yourself more respectfully.
OK. I agree I was a little strong in my criticism. I tend to be a little quick to criticize people who call themselves "critical thinkers" because that was a term used by the hero of the NEA and the ACLU, John Dewey, whom I regard as a bigot along with their other hero, Horace Mann.

I am not opposed to education. I am opposed to government control of education.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#487 May 17, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush never equated 911 with Iraq. The reason Bush attacked Iraq was to prevent another possible 911 given the fact Iraq had WMD's. Iraq has been a pain in the azz since his father was President.
I agree that Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam may have been what led him to attack Iraq. However, I suspect that just made it easy for Cheney to impose his will on Bush. I tend to see Bush as a victim, but I have no proof.

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