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In America, atheists are still in the closet

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Since: Feb 11

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#47681 Mar 13, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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And the question you keep avoiding is "what word"?
Let's see if this needs translation:

SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47682 Mar 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if this needs translation:
SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"
Until you prove a bet was agreed this "word" you keep claiming I have not kept has no merit whatsoever.

You are deliberately using a strawman because you are terrified to debate like an adult. You know that my arguments refute yours.

Why do you continue to lie, Barefoot?

Since: Feb 11

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#47683 Mar 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Until you prove a bet was agreed this "word"
Let's see if this needs translation:

SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"
Nashoune L

Chula Vista, CA

#47684 Mar 14, 2013
Mike N wrote:
Of course they are. Because believers are a danger to them. Believers do unspeakable things to those who don't think like them. Its bad enough that some humans are unkind to others but its worse when those humans use dark age mythology to justify it. Hopefully one day religion will cease in this world and people will operate on logic. That alone will change the world for the better.
Not that long ago I posted some written works on AmazonKindle books under the pen name Ester Lighthorse. One of the works, a complete re-write of the New Testament I called The Tenement Gospel, garnered some interesting responses from people claiming to be Christians blessed by a loving God. Some of the responses were along the lines of "Go to hell" and "Ester Lighthorse is a tool of the Devil" and "The Tenement Gospel is blasphemy. Some responses were more along the lines of "You need to die" and "I hope God strikes you dead right now" and "God is going to kill you."
I have to wonder where the supposed mighty love of a supposed mighty God went the moment someone disagreed with the Christian point of view. Everything is fine and dandy with some Christians until you begin pointing out the lunacy of their delusional beliefs.
Sparklestrips4u

United States

#47687 Mar 15, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Is your wife back from her “date” yet? Time to get busy licking that well used and wet pussy clean for her next lover use.
His wife will be away all night. She is spending a romantic evening with Larry's wife.
Sparkle

United States

#47689 Mar 15, 2013
Sparklestrips4u wrote:
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His wife will be away all night. She is spending a romantic evening with Larry's wife.
Prove it.

liliith ... the real one
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47690 Mar 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if this needs translation:
SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"
Why do you keep posting this as if it is a signal of victory? I have had no problem accepting that other source exist that I was unaware of outwith a standard Google search.

It has nothing to do with the original question. It has nothing to do with what that question itself stemmed from.

As usual, you ran with a red herring. You lied about it being a bet. You are still pretending that a bet took place.

All to try and escape the fact that your whole argument about Britain being a monarchy - and only a monarchy - is bunk. You have been refuted literally months ago.

That is why all you have left is this quote from a shred of a post of mine that you feel you can trumpet victory over. Like losing to a boxer via knockout, yet claiming victory based on one tiny jab in the second round.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#47691 Mar 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Why do you keep posting this as if it is a signal of victory? I have had no problem accepting that other source exist that I was unaware of outwith a standard Google search.
It has nothing to do with the original question. It has nothing to do with what that question itself stemmed from.
As usual, you ran with a red herring. You lied about it being a bet. You are still pretending that a bet took place.
All to try and escape the fact that your whole argument about Britain being a monarchy - and only a monarchy - is bunk. You have been refuted literally months ago.
That is why all you have left is this quote from a shred of a post of mine that you feel you can trumpet victory over. Like losing to a boxer via knockout, yet claiming victory based on one tiny jab in the second round.
Because he is a frigging loon.
Siro

Canberra, Australia

#47692 Mar 16, 2013
SupaFAG wrote:
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Until you prove a bet was agreed this "word" you keep claiming I have not kept has no merit whatsoever.
You are deliberately using a strawman because you are terrified to debate like an adult. You know that my arguments refute yours.
Why do you continue to lie, Barefoot?
As if anyone would expect you to honour a bet, you have kept your word as an atheist....after all...you have made the definitions to define the results.....continuously.
Or to put it into atheist speak...'whats true to me is true to all because i am god!'
Henry

Flöha, Germany

#47693 Mar 16, 2013
Mike N wrote:
Of course they are. Because believers are a danger to them. Believers do unspeakable things to those who don't think like them. Its bad enough that some humans are unkind to others but its worse when those humans use dark age mythology to justify it. Hopefully one day religion will cease in this world and people will operate on logic. That alone will change the world for the better.
Sorry, in the nuclear age mankind is on the point of no return to human normality, but at the end!

Since: Feb 11

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#47694 Mar 16, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Why do you keep posting this as if it is a signal of victory? I have had no problem accepting that other source.
welsher, welsh, welch / vb (intransitive) often followed by on: slang

to fail to pay a gambling debt
to fail to fulfil an obligation

Collins Concise English Dictionary © HarperCollins Publishers::

Since: Feb 11

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#47695 Mar 16, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
All to try and escape the fact that your whole argument about Britain being a monarchy -
Funny how you don't have translating for everyone what you think I mean but I keep hitting you over the head with what I actually said.

And you have not EVER found a quote to back yourself up.

Funny how that is.

And funny how when I provide the EXACT quote of what you said EXACTLY, you cry that I am only "semantically" correct... and then you move the goalposts.

Funny how that is.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#47696 Mar 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how you don't have translating for everyone what you think I mean but I keep hitting you over the head with what I actually said.

And you have not EVER found a quote to back yourself up.

Funny how that is.

And funny how when I provide the EXACT quote of what you said EXACTLY, you cry that I am only "semantically" correct... and then you move the goalposts.

Funny how that is.
Did you know that the US is much more religious than the UK?

Imagine that.
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47697 Mar 17, 2013
Siro wrote:
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As if anyone would expect you to honour a bet
As if anyone would expect you to tell the truth.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>you have kept your word as an atheist....after all...you have made the definitions to define the results.....continuously.
Definitions has been Barefoot's game. He chooses what to define, what not to define, and what can and cannot be defined with certain words. I can only play by the rules that he himself makes up.

But then, to look at the posts for what they actually say requires impartibility. You base your conclusions based on the name of the author of the post.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Or to put it into atheist speak...'whats true to me is true to all because i am god!'
Christian speak: "I believe that I can do whatever I want, when I want, and all I have to do to get away with it is pray for forgiveness to wipe the slate clean again".

When you are done playing with strawmen, let me know.
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47698 Mar 17, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
welsher, welsh, welch / vb (intransitive) often followed by on: slang
to fail to pay a gambling debt
to fail to fulfil an obligation
Collins Concise English Dictionary © HarperCollins Publishers::
Yet you still cannot show where I ever agreed to a bet in the first place.

That is because, my manchild friend, you are lying. I know you are lying, you know you are lying, everybody knows that you are lying.

You are that desperate to try and make me disappear that you make up your own bets.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how you don't have translating for everyone what you think I mean but I keep hitting you over the head with what I actually said.
You do not say anything; I have reduced your "arguments" to a cut-and-paste strawman.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have not EVER found a quote to back yourself up.

Funny how that is.
Shifting the burden of proof.

You claim I made a bet. You cannot show my agreement.

Conclusion: you are lying about a bet taking place.

Conclusion: Barefoot relies on strawmen for lack of an actual argument.

Conclusion: Britain is a typical western democracy.

You want to talk about providing quotes to prove claims? Finally show me where a bet was agreed.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
And funny how when I provide the EXACT quote of what you said EXACTLY, you cry that I am only "semantically" correct... and then you move the goalposts.

Funny how that is.
Well, Mr "EXACT quote", show me the "EXACT quote" where I agreed to a bet.

Are you ready to show where an agreement was made or must I remind the world of your hypocrisy regarding the Facebook-Encyclopedia Britannica bet you lost?

Also, do tell me how you define democracy, why we must assume that everything within umbrella terms are the same, and why things can only be defined by one word.

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#47699 Mar 17, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Definitions has been Barefoot's game. He chooses what to define.
Yea, he does.

And then he gives you about a dozen sources.

And then when he proves that you are wrong, you move the goalposts.

SupaAFC wrote:
"Macmillan was the unanimous choice of the sitting Conservative cabinet; he was duly appointed the new PM."

When Barefoot proved you wrong, you whined about semantics.

Is the United Kingdom a monarchy?

Yes or no?

Do you need the definition of monarchy again, SuperFAG?
Siro

Canberra, Australia

#47701 Mar 18, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
As if anyone would expect you to tell the truth.
Well.....when have I lied?
I said KittenKoder is a transvestite...am I wrong?
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Definitions has been Barefoot's game. He chooses what to define, what not to define, and what can and cannot be defined with certain words. I can only play by the rules that he himself makes up.
But then, to look at the posts for what they actually say requires impartibility. You base your conclusions based on the name of the author of the post.
So in your 'reasoning' if it comes from Barefoot it must be wrong or lies. If he said that the sun shines during the day or that it gets dark at night he must be lying and the opposite must be true because hes Barefoot.
You are essentially the Topix atheist comic book superhero...the ..(ta dum) "anti-Barefoot"
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian speak: "I believe that I can do whatever I want, when I want, and all I have to do to get away with it is pray for forgiveness to wipe the slate clean again".
When you are done playing with strawmen, let me know.
You have problems with supposed 'Christian speak'?
Then take it up with a Christian - not me.
I dont speak on their behalf.

Goose
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47702 Mar 18, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, he does.
And then he gives you about a dozen sources.
Congratulations - you know how to copy and paste dictionary definitions.

So do children at primary school level. I repeat: primary school level.

How about learning how to construct an actual argument instead of playing semantics?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And then when he proves that you are wrong, you move the goalposts.
You jump onto red herrings to avoid the points themselves. You take a pawn or two in a game of chess then declare checkmate - king untouched.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
SupaAFC wrote:
"Macmillan was the unanimous choice of the sitting Conservative cabinet; he was duly appointed the new PM."
When Barefoot proved you wrong, you whined about semantics.
Exhibit A.

The argument was that Macmillan's appointment to PM did not demonstrate royal prerogative nor damaged British democracy for the following reasons:

The appointment came at a time when the Conservatives had no mechanism for replacing sitting PMs;

Macmillan himself was an elected MP.

He was a popular choice within the Conservative party.

That is the king you need to checkmate. You cannot. Thus, you latched onto a red herring, screamed that I was a liar, then proclaimed victory - completely avoiding the argument itself.

That is how you argue. Take some pawns, ignore the king, claim checkmate.

How about being an adult and addressing the points themselves?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Is the United Kingdom a monarchy?
Yes or no?
Once again let's demonstrate the fallacy of your question:

Is the United States a republic? Yes or no?

You never answer using your own "yes or no" standard. And we all know why, hypocrite.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Do you need the definition of monarchy again, SuperFAG?
How about providing a definition of democracy?
SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47703 Mar 18, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Well.....when have I lied?
I said KittenKoder is a transvestite...am I wrong?
When you make stereotypical attacks on atheists.
Siro wrote:
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So in your 'reasoning' if it comes from Barefoot it must be wrong or lies. If he said that the sun shines during the day or that it ets dark at night he must be lying and the opposite must be true because hes Barefoot.
Nice try - but that is how your reasoning works. If person A is an atheist and person B is a Christian, then person B's arguments automatically refute person A's.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>You are essentially the Topix atheist comic book superhero...the ..(ta dum) "anti-Barefoot"
I find your obsession of me very flattering, but superhero I am not.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
You have problems with supposed 'Christian speak'?
Then take it up with a Christian - not me.
I dont speak on their behalf.
Goose
It is asimple demonstration of your own stereotype-driven strawman arguments.

Are you ever going to be able to debate with atheists like an adult or must you keep relying on strawmen? Does your deity tell you to lie?

Since: Feb 11

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#47704 Mar 18, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Congratulations - you know how to copy and paste dictionary definitions.
I also know how to use the words I define.

Do you want to know what unanimous means,. SuperFAG?

Here's a hint: it is the number of people who are surprised that you broke your word and welshed out of a bet.

Putting aside your word has never been worth a plugged nickel.

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