House votes to derail Obamacare, fund government

Sep 20, 2013 Full story: MDJonline.com 91

The GOP-controlled House voted Friday to cripple President Barack Obama's health care law as part of a risky ploy that threatens a partial shutdown of the government in a week and a half.

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“It's Time to Defeat Terrorism ”

Since: May 11

NYC

#1 Sep 20, 2013
Thanks the Lord for the great patriotic American leaders Speaker John Boehner, House Leader and Senator Ted Cruz and Rand pall and others that stood rock bottom to the evil charlatan liberal dictator Barack Hussein Obama in their effort to defeat the anti-American socialistic Obama scam care agenda and save lives of millions of our parents and our grandparents that could become victims without doctors, no hospitals and no medication under the biggest conspiracy of transformation of America to the land of the sick of the world by Obama. Most of the American people demanded the halt of the major transformation of America to the food stamp and free Obamacare to tens of millions of America hating foreign illegal invaders that Obama need their votes to destroy and eliminate the GOP for his liberal dictatorship. The American people demanded to stop the Obama conspiracy against America and the House was right to stop the despicable Obama scam law that was approved by the sold-out Judge Roberts of the Supreme Court under Obama pressure.
Stick to Your Guns

Miami, FL

#2 Sep 20, 2013
It's time to show some leadership. I implore Ted Cruz and co. to stick to their guns in their fight against Obama's oppression. The people don't want Obamacare! Don't give up! Republicans can talk a blue streak. Now it's time to see what they're made of. Defeat Obamacare!
Really

Las Vegas, NV

#4 Sep 20, 2013
Something has to be done to protect America from king Obama. That idiot needs to be impeached and put in prison for crimes against America.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#6 Sep 20, 2013
Nazicare is ruining itself anyway.
It stinks and it was designed by an insane person.
Even the Unions agree with me.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#7 Sep 20, 2013
Eighthman wrote:
Nazicare is ruining itself anyway.
It stinks and it was designed by an insane person.
Even the Unions agree with me.
The voices in your hollow head agree with you too.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#8 Sep 20, 2013
Good choice. Obama Care is an agenda. The government is a necessity for those truly in need.

The ACA is nothing but INSURANCE legislation and does not control or address the source of unaffordable health CARE.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#9 Sep 20, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The voices in your hollow head agree with you too.
Obamacare never had majority public support.
.
What is more important, providing a program voters support or propping up Obama's ego?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#10 Sep 20, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The voices in your hollow head agree with you too.
Just what we need. Another liberal troll throwing bombs at the participants of this forum instead of making his own statement about the material.
Cowards and Trolls comprise the creepocrat party.
.
Obamacare sucks as bad as the democrats that put it together do.
It's so horrible and stupid that it is derailing itself.
Even the Unions hate it as much as I do.
I guess that means that liberals hate Unions now?
Mental illness is what caused Obamacare in my opinion.
Benghazi.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#11 Sep 20, 2013
Here we go again. I get sick and tried of what passes for political discourse these days. Nobody talks about the real problems only the stances of their preferred party.

It's not complicated, we the American people are getting older, government pays for old people's health care, health care is too expensive.

What we have here is an ever a larger number of retirees drawing Social Security and Medicare supported by an ever smaller group of people paying taxes to support a bloated overly expensive health care system. By 2022 the number of retirees receiving benefits over 65 will increase by 1/3, that is huge. The math simply does not work. Social Security is a problem but it is a drop in the bucket compared to Medicare.

Now we can talk about trimming budgets, cutting spending own welfare or Obamacare or wars or education but none of that really matters because when you are done, health care will still be too expensive and we will still have too many old people supported by not enough workers.

If your solution does not involve increased taxes earmarked for medicare, borrowing ourselves into oblivion, or taking away benefits old people or future old people it is not going to work. You simply can not change mathematics with anything else.

To make matters worse I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican if you talk about these solutions you will get thrown out of your party.
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Furlong, PA

#12 Sep 20, 2013
Robert wrote:
Here we go again. I get sick and tried of what passes for political discourse these days. Nobody talks about the real problems only the stances of their preferred party.
It's not complicated, we the American people are getting older, government pays for old people's health care, health care is too expensive.
What we have here is an ever a larger number of retirees drawing Social Security and Medicare supported by an ever smaller group of people paying taxes to support a bloated overly expensive health care system. By 2022 the number of retirees receiving benefits over 65 will increase by 1/3, that is huge. The math simply does not work. Social Security is a problem but it is a drop in the bucket compared to Medicare.
Now we can talk about trimming budgets, cutting spending own welfare or Obamacare or wars or education but none of that really matters because when you are done, health care will still be too expensive and we will still have too many old people supported by not enough workers.
If your solution does not involve increased taxes earmarked for medicare, borrowing ourselves into oblivion, or taking away benefits old people or future old people it is not going to work. You simply can not change mathematics with anything else.
To make matters worse I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican if you talk about these solutions you will get thrown out of your party.
If we didn't have to fund useless wars started for no reason by rethugs and democrats there would be enough money to adequately fund health care!

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#13 Sep 20, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamacare never had majority public support.
.
What is more important, providing a program voters support or propping up Obama's ego?
What is important is to provide services to our citizens that improve their lives. The average Joe or Jane are usually too busy dealing with their personal life situations to make informed judgments about matters that affect national policy.

With Obamacare in particular, the program is extremely complex and has not been successfully explained to most Americans. While a majority say they oppose Obamacare, it is most often because they don't understand it, and are thus vulnerable to lies about the program. As proof of this, when the benefits are clearly described to people one issue at a time, the majority favors them.

This is not about Obama's ego. This is about exploiting the public's lack of understanding of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, by those who want to destroy Obama at any cost.
ICE

Richmond, IN

#15 Sep 20, 2013
I don't give Boehner much credit, if it wasn't for Cruz, Paul and others he would of caved, he knows if didn't do this his speakership would be in jeapordy. He is weak and needs to be replaced as speaker.
conservative crapola

Whitehall, PA

#16 Sep 20, 2013
It's f'n hilarious to see these teabagging cons in front of the camera, publicly attacking each other:

peter king: ted cruz is a fraud.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ICE

Richmond, IN

#17 Sep 20, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What is important is to provide services to our citizens that improve their lives. The average Joe or Jane are usually too busy dealing with their personal life situations to make informed judgments about matters that affect national policy.
With Obamacare in particular, the program is extremely complex and has not been successfully explained to most Americans. While a majority say they oppose Obamacare, it is most often because they don't understand it, and are thus vulnerable to lies about the program. As proof of this, when the benefits are clearly described to people one issue at a time, the majority favors them.
This is not about Obama's ego. This is about exploiting the public's lack of understanding of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, by those who want to destroy Obama at any cost.
" We have to pass it so they people knows what's in it" Nancy Pelosi, we still know nothing of whats in it, if its such a good thing why did congress exempt themselves from it? I'm going to go with ole Max Baucus "It's a train wreck"
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#18 Sep 20, 2013
Robert wrote:
Here we go again. I get sick and tried of what passes for political discourse these days. Nobody talks about the real problems only the stances of their preferred party.
It's not complicated, we the American people are getting older, government pays for old people's health care, health care is too expensive.
What we have here is an ever a larger number of retirees drawing Social Security and Medicare supported by an ever smaller group of people paying taxes to support a bloated overly expensive health care system. By 2022 the number of retirees receiving benefits over 65 will increase by 1/3, that is huge. The math simply does not work. Social Security is a problem but it is a drop in the bucket compared to Medicare.
Now we can talk about trimming budgets, cutting spending own welfare or Obamacare or wars or education but none of that really matters because when you are done, health care will still be too expensive and we will still have too many old people supported by not enough workers.
If your solution does not involve increased taxes earmarked for medicare, borrowing ourselves into oblivion, or taking away benefits old people or future old people it is not going to work. You simply can not change mathematics with anything else.
To make matters worse I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican if you talk about these solutions you will get thrown out of your party.


Seniors are the only ones who should be getting subsidized health care. But there is still a cost problem in senior care and that's too many doctors and senior health care providers know how to exploit and bill medicare/Medicaid. Until they focus on the COSTs and not who is paying for it we will spend ourselves into the ground with third party/insurance based health care. INSURANCE should be for catastrophic events and not routine maintenance. Sniffles and boo boo sufferers need to learn basic first aid and how to take care of themselves with fitness, nutrition and otc remedies. Every ache and pain need not be checked by medical "professionals" practicing production line cya medicine.

I'd rather pay a flat fee for seniors than deal with the ACA which will not enhance the quality of life they ASSume it will do.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#19 Sep 20, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
<quoted text>
If we didn't have to fund useless wars started for no reason by rethugs and democrats there would be enough money to adequately fund health care!
See what I mean, I am surrounded by idiots. Let us pretend that you had to power to zap those nasty republicans and make their war in Iraq and Afghanistan just go away and divert all that money we spent to healthcare. According to the trustees the unfunded liability for Medicare over the next 75 years is 34 Trillion dollars. Total spending plus interest for war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan should total up to 2.4 trillion dollars according to the CBO, a Brown University report added some other hidden cost and said it would be 3.2 to 4 Trillion.

Ok wiseass where you going to get the other 30 Trillion dollars. Like I said people just mindlessly support what their favorite party is for or against.

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#20 Sep 20, 2013
Good.

All efforts need to be made to stop this mess from becoming what the left really wants - single-payer, complete and total control of health care and the money it will generate.

The ACA has nothing to do with providing and everything to do with controlling.

"The harsh fact of the matter is when you’re going to pass legislation that will cover 300 American people in different ways it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people." - Rep. John Dingell (D-MI)
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#21 Sep 20, 2013
ICE wrote:
<quoted text>" We have to pass it so they people knows what's in it" Nancy Pelosi, we still know nothing of whats in it, if its such a good thing why did congress exempt themselves from it? I'm going to go with ole Max Baucus "It's a train wreck"
Anyone who thinks Obamacare is a health care bill is a complete idiot, Obamacare is not a health care bill it is an insurance bill, one which does not fix the problems of insurance either. It needs to go in order to make room for a real solution. People who think it just needs to go back to the way it was before are also idiots.

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#22 Sep 20, 2013
ICE wrote:
<quoted text>" We have to pass it so they people knows what's in it" Nancy Pelosi, we still know nothing of whats in it, if its such a good thing why did congress exempt themselves from it? I'm going to go with ole Max Baucus "It's a train wreck"
Of course it's a train wreck, that's the idea. They want to be left with one option (in their narrow minds)- socialized health care.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#23 Sep 20, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who thinks Obamacare is a health care bill is a complete idiot, Obamacare is not a health care bill it is an insurance bill, one which does not fix the problems of insurance either. It needs to go in order to make room for a real solution. People who think it just needs to go back to the way it was before are also idiots.
I'd trade in Obamacare for a single payer program. If you can't give me that, I'll stick with Obamacare. The worst scenario for our out-of-control previous health care system was to do nothing.

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