BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#157243 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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I don't know what's funnier, when the Fake GB thinks he's made a "point" that someone needs to address, or when Jacqueau thinks someone needs to disprove his insane ramblings.
What will be the funniest is when they become what they now despise, Birthers!
A potential President Cruz will do that to them.

Eric Holder may go down soon and that will be a large chink of Obama's protection gone.
When that happens it will be very interesting.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#157245 May 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed
An official statement from the FBI says that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw fell out of a helicopter while training a complex exercise. The agents were supposed to be lowered on a rope on a ship from a helicopter. For yet unknown reasons, the two agents fell out of the helicopter and were killed in the fall.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24-05-201...
It was Boston Police who "eliminated" Tsarnaev, with the help of his brother who ran over him with a Benz SUV.

Duh!
IAVA org

Sayville, NY

#157246 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
VoteVets.org is a lefty front site will only 5% of their members are combat vets. They were formed to get supporters for Obama but out of the
From Wiki: In February 2007, a VoteVets.org spokesman told the The Washington Post that the group had 20,000 members, including 1,000 veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
That's right, out of over TWO million Iraq and Afghan War vets only 1,000 only 0.00005% are members of VoteVets! What a laugh!!!

Retired Generals and Admirals support Barack Obama
General Wesley Clark, General John M. Shalikashvili, General Henry Hugh Shelton General Johnnie E. Wilson, Admiral William Owens, Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard. Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy, Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick, Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath, Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak. Major General Roger R. Blunt. Major General George A. Buskirk,Jr..Major General Edward L. Correa Jr., Major General Paul D. Eaton , Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.,Major General Antonio M. Taguba , Rear Admiral Connie Mariano, Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman, Rear Admiral David Stone, Brigadier General Michael Dunn, Brigadier General Belisario Flores, Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote, Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr, Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard, Brigadier General Preston Taylor, Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr., Brigadier General Jack Yeager: General Colin Powell

Military donations favor Obama / 8/14/2008 / http://tinyurl.com/5u57lz
WASHINGTON (AP)— U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday./
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/electio...

Military Donations Favoring Obama
August 15, 2008Associated Press / http://tinyurl.com/5tangq
WASHINGTON - U.S. Soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous White House campaigns in which military donations tended to favor Republicans, a nonpartisan group reported Aug. 14.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who has never served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
http://www.military.com/news/article/military...

Troops contribute more to Obama campaign http://tinyurl.com/6rcwma
Military personnel are contributing more to Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois than to his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, according to a nonpartisan group tracking donations to candidates
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/militar...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#157247 May 28, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
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Oh that's right, THERE IS a birth certificate from Kenya that has never been proven to be a fraudulent document like Obama's Hawaiian documents have been by Law Enforcement.
Yep, I'm SMEllen!!
I have a will from Howard Hughes that has never been proven to be fraudulent.

Hee hee.
IAVA org

Sayville, NY

#157248 May 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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A journalist had asked him if he minded growing old and Boyer replied "EET ees better than zee alternative." (1)
Actually, he didn't talk like that, as the French actor had been so long in Hollywood, he had lost his French accent and had trouble doing movies where he played a Frenchman,(eez and eet accent and all), like Gigi with Leslie Caron and Louis Jourdan. So he actually took lessons in phonetics in order to be able to pronounce his English like a true Frenchman. Sorry about the long story.
Thanks for the data.

I am always willing to learn.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#157249 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
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It was Boston Police who "eliminated" Tsarnaev, with the help of his brother who ran over him with a Benz SUV.
Duh!
Sorry, wojar, but I'll have to take her word over yours. Remember, she got her information from Pravda. You want the truth about the USA? Consult Pravda. Always.

P.S.: The Toronto Globe and Mail also has the story. Funny, it didn't hint that Obama had both killed.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#157250 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
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It was Boston Police who "eliminated" Tsarnaev, with the help of his brother who ran over him with a Benz SUV.
Duh!
2nd time, wojar, I have to side with American Pravda Lady. Remember how she was there with Rogue and LRS and witnessed Zimmerman shooting Martin in "self-defence"? There is no doubt in my mind that she was also there when Tsarnaev was taken down by those two FBI agents, so she knows AND was in the helicopter along with her birfoon buffoon birther ilk when the two were pushed out by who else but Obama himself. It is well known that the two FBI agents were going to expose Obama as the older brother of the two terrorists. He had no choice but to dispose of them.

Is no one able to stop this fiendish Obama Muslim?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#157251 May 28, 2013
Regarding the IRS pseudoscandal,
this is a good one.

http://bit.ly/143lElN
IAVA org

Sayville, NY

#157253 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
VoteVets.org is a lefty front site will only 5% of their members are combat vets. They were formed to get supporters for Obama but out of the
From Wiki: In February 2007, a VoteVets.org spokesman told the The Washington Post that the group had 20,000 members, including 1,000 veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
That's right, out of over TWO million Iraq and Afghan War vets only 1,000 only 0.00005% are members of VoteVets! What a laugh!!!
Obama, Paul net most military workers' donations
9/16/2007 / http://tinyurl.com/2ebo83
WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron Paul have little in common politically, except their opposition to the Iraq war.
Both top a new list of presidential candidates receiving campaign contributions from people who work for the four branches of the military and National Guard, according to a study released Thursday by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.
USA TODAY ON POLITICS: GOP still gets more
Obama, an Illinois senator, brought in more donations from this group than any White House contender from either party. The Democrat announced Wednesday his plan to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2008.
Paul, a Texas congressman and the only GOP presidential hopeful who supports an immediate troop withdrawal, comes in second.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/electio...

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General Powell’s chief of staff Colonel Wilkerson endorsed Obama for President./ October 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/6k8duw
Colin Powell’s chief of staff shares some candid thoughts on why the former secretary of state endorsed Barack Obama—and how the next U.S. president can get America back on track.
Lifelong Republican Colin Powell surprised the audience of NBC’s Meet the Press this weekend with his endorsement of Barack Obama for president, calling the Illinois senator a “transformational figure” who could be an “exceptional president.” Citing a litany of complaints about John McCain’s campaign style and his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate, Powell said the Republican nominee “didn’t have a complete grasp” of the economic crisis facing the United States and was focusing instead on “issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about.”
Commentators have since rushed to ask what impact Powell’s words will have on the U.S. election, now just two weeks away. Foreign Policy’s Elizabeth Dickinson looked to one of Colin Powell’s closest confidants, Lawrence Wilkerson, for answers. A retired Army colonel, Wilkerson has been an associate of General Powell since 1989, following him through the Army and later to Foggy Bottom, where Wilkerson became then Secretary of State Powell’s chief of staff. Since leaving office, Wilkerson has been a harsh critic of the Bush administration’s foreign policy, telling ABC’s Tony Jones in 2006,“They’ve stolen my party and I would like my party back.”
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php...

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Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#157258 May 28, 2013
IAVA org wrote:
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A grade of F from you means my post was deserving of an A.
lol
In your case the "F" means F'ed up!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#157259 May 28, 2013
Re: "Why can't the SHEEPLE explain why Obama's long form birth certificate does not have a raised visible embossed seal?"

Answer: Because, duh, the color of a raised seal is EXACTLY the same as the rest of the paper, so it does not come out on a scan of a document---particularly into PDF.

However, a photograph of Obama's short form birth certificate, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, shows the seal clearly.

Get the difference? A scan cannot pick up a raised seal because the color is the same. A photograph taken from the side can show the raised seal.

The officials in Hawaii have, BTW, repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates of Hawaii to Obama and that the facts on the image of the birth certificate that the White House has published are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to Obama.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#157260 May 28, 2013
Re: "There is a birth certificate from Kenya, NEVER proven to be fraudulent."

The "birth certificate" from Kenya you are referring to was shown by Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was forgery. And Lucas D. Smith was asked to show that he had gone to Kenya, as he had claimed, and refused to show that he had gone to Kenya.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#157261 May 28, 2013
Re: "There is a college student card stating that Obama attended college as a Foreign exchange student."

That is a FORGED student card. Neither the student cards of Occidental or Columbia show on them whether or not students are foreign. And the story that Obama attended college as a foreign student comes from an April Fool's article.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#157262 May 28, 2013
Re the allegations that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.(Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#157263 May 28, 2013
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#157266 May 28, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "There is a college student card stating that Obama attended college as a Foreign exchange student."
That is a FORGED student card. Neither the student cards of Occidental or Columbia show on them whether or not students are foreign. And the story that Obama attended college as a foreign student comes from an April Fool's article.
Hitler said "The bigger the lie the more people will believe it." Not only is it impossible for BHO to be a "natural-born" citizen of the U.S. but he is an illegal-alien.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157267 May 28, 2013
Oh, this is great. Why should an employer be compelled to withhold union dues? Oh sure, it makes it very easy for the union to collect their dues if the employer withholds it from their pay but why would an employer want to do that? Screw the union thugs!!!
Rogue

Sixth Circuit has big labor running scared in Michigan Nathan Mehrens

A recent federal court decision has got big labor running scared. And it should be.
The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld a Michigan law that bars public schools from collecting union dues, overturning a district court injunction against implementation of the law. The circuit court also ordered the lowered court to uphold the law.
The law in question requires that public sector unions collect their own dues from public school teachers, rather than the school’s payroll system handling it. The unions attempted to argue that not compelling as a matter of law teachers to pay up somehow violated the labor organization’s First Amendment Rights.

Read more at NetRightDaily.com : http://netrightdaily.com/2013/05/sixth-circui...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157268 May 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed
An official statement from the FBI says that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw fell out of a helicopter while training a complex exercise. The agents were supposed to be lowered on a rope on a ship from a helicopter. For yet unknown reasons, the two agents fell out of the helicopter and were killed in the fall.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24-05-201 ...
nebka wrote:
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What is it with you and pravda??? Is that your favorite newspaper?
Don't you know that pravda is only good for one thing??? To be used to lining bottom of cages
Oh, so because it comes from Pravda, it must not be true? Afraid of the truth?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157269 May 28, 2013
IAVA org wrote:
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100% correct.
Our friend Rogue does not understand how Newt Gingrich & Bill Clinton allowed the banks to steal with the Derivatives and credit default swaps by terminating Glass/Steagall.
All he cares about is Clinton/Gingrich balanced the budget.
No, Clinton did not balance any budget unless you consider it that he signed Newt's bill into law.
Now, can you tell us what Obama has done to balance the budget's?
Oh, the Housing Mortgage crisis and the subsequent bank failure were caused by Carters Urban Reinvestment Act of 1977 and Clinton's acts that made it real easy to sue banks who turned down people who applied for those mortgages. Banks never would have made Zero-down, Sub-prime loans unless they were forced to.
Have you noticed that Government Motors has been doing Zero-down, Sub-prime car loans for about nine months now? And why shouldn't they? Well, Obama will just bail them out again, right??? Who will YOU blame then???

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#157270 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, this is great. Why should an employer be compelled to withhold union dues? Oh sure, it makes it very easy for the union to collect their dues if the employer withholds it from their pay but why would an employer want to do that? Screw the union thugs!!!
Rogue
Sixth Circuit has big labor running scared in Michigan Nathan Mehrens
A recent federal court decision has got big labor running scared. And it should be.
The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld a Michigan law that bars public schools from collecting union dues, overturning a district court injunction against implementation of the law. The circuit court also ordered the lowered court to uphold the law.
The law in question requires that public sector unions collect their own dues from public school teachers, rather than the school’s payroll system handling it. The unions attempted to argue that not compelling as a matter of law teachers to pay up somehow violated the labor organization’s First Amendment Rights.
Read more at NetRightDaily.com : http://netrightdaily.com/2013/05/sixth-circui...
Er, Rogue, to my knowledge, employers collect income tax at the source, along with unemployment insurance premiums, govt and private health insurance premiums, pension fund payments, United Way donations, death benefit when applicable etc etc. Is there any reason why employer should not collect union fees.

Oh, and know what, Rogue, your friends the big companies, and many that went under, how surprising that they did collect all those deductions at source from their employees, and , hmmm, often, "FORGOT" to remit them to the gov't, to the insurance companies and so forth, did not invest or properly invest employees' pension contributions and worst of all, months behind in income tax remittances deducted at the source. You mention the big bad unions all the time, but never this. And, know what?, Employers, specially the big ones, even when remitting correctly, LOVE to collect employees' dues. Why? Imagine a company with 15,000 employees, collecting all these monies. You think they remit it IMMEDIATELY to the govt and others? Are you that naïve? Nooooo, Rogue, they keep it in a temporary excrow account for a few days, often longer, have an arrangement with banks and is invested at .25%(often, the bank just pays the interest) which to you and me, with our paltry treasury, is nothing, but when you have millions on deposit even for a couple days, that adds up pretty fast. Example : Employer pays salaries twice a month and deducts everything then, but remits once a month. Where's the money? Shall I go on? Big bad unions, yeah.

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