BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 219330 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84414 Jun 11, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
Obama cannot be questioned about any of this because,“It’s a matter of national security.”
Please explain the context (law suit or other proceeding) in which Obama would be questioned. Thank you.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#84416 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other
than the Leader of Government Business
acknowledge that because of Obama's win in the
United States of America (USA), the House is
crippled. Could we allow him to move a Motion
for Adjournment so that we could also continue
the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the
USA? I humbly request!
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, Mr.
Vice-President! We are citizens of the Republic of
Kenya! This is a supreme institution of this
country. Our responsibility is to our country, first
and foremost. We are not citizens of the USA!
Much as we appreciate and we are all happy;
nonetheless we are a country ourselves.
(Applause)
So, it is not an excuse for a Minister to be
away from his own Parliament, because he is
celebrating the victory of another presidential
candidate in another country.
The Assistant Minister for Water and
Irrigation (Mr. Kiunjuri): Mr. Deputy Speaker,
Sir, as you can see, people are really celebrating.
However, I am wondering whether the Americans
have not reported to work and yet it is their
victory. I am also hoping that there will be no
homecoming for Obama. If there is one, the Leader
of Government Business should alert us in good
time so that we can set up a committee to organize
for his homecoming.
Ms. Odhiambo:… Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the
President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil
of this country.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has
not been sworn-in yet. The election of
President-elect Obama is of utmost national
importance to the United States of America. Ms.
Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be
very careful where you transgress between
watching your own sovereignty and what can be
interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason
(Ed. note: the threat of "treason" is not directed to Ms Odhiamdo personally, but rather concern over how Obama's "former" Kenyan Citizenship may be viewed by outsiders)
Mr. Affey:… For the first time, we have a leader of
a great country in this world whose blood is
Kenyan.
http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/
They took down his licence from the blog. it would have been nice to see it.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84417 Jun 11, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
Obama cannot be questioned about any of this because,“It’s a matter of national security.”
Please explain the legal basis for ANY QUESTIONING in light of the constitutional proceedings and determination with LEGAL FINALITY on Jan. 8, 2009.
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Perhaps you can begin by explaining to your "birther" colleagues the significance of Jan. 8, 2009. You do know, don't you?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84418 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Also, what no liberal has an answer for, why does he have a Connecticut social security number, when he has NEVER lived, or worked in that state?
What person (of any political stripe) can show authoritatively that Obama has a Connecticut social security number and what that number is.
====
Please post Obama's social security number in your next post. Thank you.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#84419 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Still Learning to Read and understanding what you've read, huh?
Then you must agree that an investigation must be done to assign the blame for these crimes, because Obama and people that have connection to him are responsible for this fraud and forgeries, right?
The accomplices are definitely to include, Fukino, Onaka, and Fuddy, don't ya think?
The crimes are FRAUD and FORGERY.
Are you too STUPID to look up what elements constitute the commission of this crime?
Still stuck on stupid? Sorry Moron - no statute to cite, no crime.(Even Big Joe didn't pretend there was a crime)

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84421 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
(Remember obama was known to be a cia agent in the past.)
Presidents and vice presidents do not require security background checks, unlike other members of the federal government, to hold office.
Guess Obama was never an elected member of the United States Senate.
====
Tell the Class what happens when a congressperson is elected (say, Joe Walsh (TP-IL), who fails the "security background check?"
American Lady

Newburgh, IN

#84424 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
The SHEEPLE choose to believe that everyone has made a mistake in regards to where Obama was born, even though Obama wrote his own bio stating that he was born in Kenya.
You almost have to feel sorry for them because they are so ignorant, ALMOST, LOL.
Had they not been so obnoxious and rude, I could have.....
Other than that.....Nada.....me no feel sorry....;-)

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84425 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
The crimes are FRAUD and FORGERY.
Are you too STUPID to look up what elements constitute the commission of this crime?
How can anyone research this CRIME if you cannot state whether the prosecution will be under a state (and what state) or a federal statute and tell the Class the citation to that statute?
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The bet is you don't even know what the elements of any crime are based on your previous ignorant statements on The Law.
Prove the Class wrong. What is the (implied) element in virtually every crime including fraud and forgery?
Very simple question that requires a very simple answer.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84426 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Mr. Affey:… For the first time, we have a leader of
a great country in this world whose blood is
Kenyan.
Could the Irish have made a comparable statement about Kennedy's blood?
American Lady

Newburgh, IN

#84427 Jun 11, 2012
ForgeryGate: A Simple Guide To Obama’s Fraud: Operation Sideshow Part 10

http://www.westernjournalism.com/forgerygate-...
Grapevine Kid

United States

#84428 Jun 11, 2012
The US Supreme Court has refused to hear a case on Obama's birth certificate.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84429 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Are you too STUPID to look up what elements constitute the commission of this crime?
Tell us where one should look for the elements, so that we can do our research. Would it be in Corpus Juris Secundum or in a regional reporter or, perhaps, some "birther" internet blog? Please direct us. Thank you.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84430 Jun 11, 2012
Clayton Rockwell wrote:
They took down his licence from the blog. it would have been nice to see it.
What is a licence?
Is that related to bed bugs?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84431 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Obama wrote his own bio stating that he was born in Kenya.
How old was he when he was born? Are you sure he can remember that far back?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84433 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
The Judge relied on evidence that was not presented by the Defense in his court, to make a decision that ignored the Plaintiffs evidence, in order to rule for Obama.
The Judge entered into evidence in to his decision that was created in another court, and that was not submitted by Obama or his Attorney in his court.
This is exactly what the defense would have done if they had bothered to show up for court!
Thank you for your response that appears to be reasoned.
Please tell the Class why the court cannot take judicial notice of other proceedings without the benefit of the defendant's brief. What is the point of judicial notice otherwise?
Point of clarification: the ad. law judge did not "ignore the Plaintiff's 'evidence;' he carefully considered it and ruled it was not credible.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84435 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Well, it would most likely be considered to be a violation of Federal Statutes, but could also be prosecuted as a State crime.
My money is on it be a Federal crime!
Cite both statutes and tell us which in which state would be the state prosecution. Thank you.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84436 Jun 11, 2012
----------APRIL 2012
THE UPHILL BATTLE FACED BY OUR REVERED
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FLAGBEARERS:
The Hard Economic Facts Confronting Geo. Romney
.
During the three year period beginning February 2009 our United States of America has seen the greatest creation of WEALTH in the entire history of the world including the time of the Babylonian Empire and the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt.[106.1% growth in U.S. equity markets]
.
Never in this great nation’s history has such an extraordinary accomplishment been achieved with virtually no inflation (the “invisible tax”) at the same time as the obligations of our United States Treasury are at the highest level of creditworthiness in our 224-year history.[1.24% inflation in 18th month in office and 1.96% yield on the ten-year bond in the 36th month]
.
[The marginal tax rate in 2011 for a family with taxable income of $65,000 filing a joint return is 15%-- the lowest rate since Title 26 began to affect all Americans in the 1930s – and a far cry from the confiscatory rate of 42% in 1984.]
.
Sadly, for the unemployed (primarily the uneducated and the little people who lacked the common sense to attend our great nation’s elite Eastern colleges and professional schools), this unprecedented WEALTH CREATION has been distributed mostly to our already very wealthy conservative Republicans who own the nation’s largest private business enterprises that employ the little people and who belong to the most exclusive private country clubs that also employ the little people.
.
These uncontestable hard ECONOMIC FACTS make it impossible for our conservative Republicans to argue against this nation’s unprecedented prosperity in November without resorting to criticism of the unemployment rate among the uneducated and the other little people. Unfortunately, this means that the Keynesian economics of wealth creation must be ignored while focusing on the economics of wealth DISTRIBUTION.
.
The principal classical economists who were more concerned with wealth distribution than wealth creation are Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx. These are the economists whose principles are embraced tacitly by all of our conservative Republican politicians who whine about the level of unemployment while ignoring the greatest three-year period of prosperity in the history of the entire world.

[For the underlying data array please provide an e-mail address to which I can make an attachment. Thank you.]

Wealth Creation
(first three years
in office)
STOCK---GDP----INFLATION------ ----CREDIT-------TAX----UNEMP
MARKET-Growth-----RATE-------- --10-YR.--------RATE*-----RATE **
106.1%---8.88%---1.24%---Obama (D)--------1.96%---15%------6. 1%
94.6%---9.33%---0.37%---Eisenh ower (R)----n/a------69%------3.4%
__________
48.9%--11.21%---2.77%---Clinto n (D)------- 6.71%----28%-----4.6%
__________
28.4%---9.30%---4.82%----Bush One (R)-----7.14%----28%-----6.2%
26.4%--13.40%---1.00%---Kenned y (D)*---- 4.15%----59%-----4.7%
__________
16.7%--13.04%---6.44%---Reagan (R)-------13.84%----42%-----9. 6%
13.7%--26.21%---7.70%---Carter (D)--------10.09%----54%-----5 .8%
9.7%--14.47%---5.98%---Nixon (R)---------6.70%----55%-----5 .9%
__________
(6.8%)--8.32%---1.46%----Bush Two (R)----4.62%----25%------6.0%
(negative!!)_______
includes Johnson (D)
__________
* for a married taxpayer filing jointly
with taxable income of $65,000 and no AMT
** unemployment net of frictional unemployment

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84438 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Well, it would most likely be considered to be a violation of Federal Statutes, but could also be prosecuted as a State crime.
My money is on it be a Federal crime!
YES OR NO.
Did Sheriff Joe state there was probable cause of a CRIME?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84439 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Well, it would most likely be considered to be a violation of Federal Statutes, but could also be prosecuted as a State crime.
My money is on it be a Federal crime!
Tell the Class whether detrimental reliance is an element for the "crime" of either fraud or forgery. Thank you.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84441 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Well, it would most likely be considered to be a violation of Federal Statutes,
Explain succinctly then the basis for Sheriff Joe's jurisdiction.
Please provide citation to applicable authority. Thank you.

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