White House to release legal rationale for killing of US citizens with drones

Feb 6, 2013 Full story: The Guardian 182

The White House's decision to release its legal reasoning for the killing of US citizens by armed drones is likely defuse some of the tension at John Brennan's confirmation hearing as CIA director.

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Your Ex

United States

#24 Feb 7, 2013
Ninthman wrote:
Obama can't even catch the terrorists in Benghazi but he's all Gung Ho about killing Americans. It just doesn't add up.
Just enemies if the State.
Best watch your back.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#25 Feb 7, 2013
sounds like Dee-troit and Chitcago will be the safest places to be, he would never fire amongst his own people.
Whatevea

Seattle, WA

#26 Feb 7, 2013
DanielGagnon wrote:
If W were still in office, this forum would
go on in perpetuity.
As it is, it will get half a comment from Pat
on Obama's blackness and ten comments on Pat's
retarded non-military service.
Nothing this Man does warrants questioning from
anyone. He is our King and Messiah.
Everyone brace themselves for a repeal of the
22nd amendment.
We are getting force-fed European socialism which
is allowing the infiltration of Radical Islam.
Enjoy!
dont call the sh!tsta!n king or messiah even in sarcasm!
Whatevea

Seattle, WA

#27 Feb 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I'm not a terrorist and don't support terrorism, I have nothing to worry about.
First they came...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came ...

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#28 Feb 7, 2013
Obama's administration is shaping up as no different than Bush's. Trying to justify the non-judicial murder of American citizens is inexcusable and outrageous.

Even bin Laden would have to have been arrested and tried if he'd been an American citizen. That is, if Obama and Bush hadn't invalidated our laws and COnstitution in this matter.

Disgusting.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#29 Feb 7, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
sounds like Dee-troit and Chitcago will be the safest places to be, he would never fire amongst his own people.
Racist craphead.
Justin

United States

#30 Feb 7, 2013
Targeting "American" Al-Queda members with missile strikes is perhaps one of few decisions that president Obama made that I actually agree with.

Still, I can picture the man distraught and sobbing in Hillary's arms after giving the order.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#31 Feb 7, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Obama's administration is shaping up as no different than Bush's. Trying to justify the non-judicial murder of American citizens is inexcusable and outrageous.
Even bin Laden would have to have been arrested and tried if he'd been an American citizen. That is, if Obama and Bush hadn't invalidated our laws and COnstitution in this matter.
Disgusting.
Thank you Professor. Whatever differences people have in politics, they can be put on the back burner. But what can be done? The next president at this point will do the same. Doesn't seem like there is much yelling up there in Washington by the politicians right now. Why are they doing this? Is it possible our economy experience a downturn and people will act up? All of this is way overkill since 9/11.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#32 Feb 7, 2013
They're terrorists, no more rationale is needed.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#34 Feb 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
They're terrorists, no more rationale is needed.
When in the course of human events.....In its zest to make laws is our government's cure worse then the symptoms?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#35 Feb 7, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When in the course of human events.....In its zest to make laws is our government's cure worse then the symptoms?
not in this case.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#36 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not in this case.
I have seen nothing but expansion of government presence in our affairs. Every year laws are passed or hidden to add more and more of this. Remember, 9/11 was done with men who had BOXCUTTERS! Look at the results of their deed to our rights. And if you have certain people in mind to eliminate, it may not go the way you think.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#37 Feb 7, 2013
Seems to me this leaked memo is in the same category as that used by President Bush to establish that water-boarding is not torture.

Now, we have a President seeking to establish a legal premise for killing American citizens. At this juncture, the memos appear to be limited to targeted Americans overseas. How long before the President tries to apply the same tenets to citizens in the U.S.?

It seems to me that a citizen who can be killed can also be captured and tried in a court of law. That is our right, regardless of where we happen to be. Infringement of the inalianable right to life is a crime, tanatamount to treason.

Any President who targets and kills American citizens anywhere without providing an opportunity for the citizen to face his accusers in a court of law should be impeached.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Feb 7, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> When in the course of human events.....In its zest to make laws is our government's cure worse then the symptoms?
No.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#39 Feb 7, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
Seems to me this leaked memo is in the same category as that used by President Bush to establish that water-boarding is not torture.
Now, we have a President seeking to establish a legal premise for killing American citizens. At this juncture, the memos appear to be limited to targeted Americans overseas. How long before the President tries to apply the same tenets to citizens in the U.S.?
It seems to me that a citizen who can be killed can also be captured and tried in a court of law. That is our right, regardless of where we happen to be. Infringement of the inalianable right to life is a crime, tanatamount to treason.
Any President who targets and kills American citizens anywhere without providing an opportunity for the citizen to face his accusers in a court of law should be impeached.
Within the US, yes.
Overseas, no.

Why should we risk the lives of American servicemembers to attempt to capture someone who is committing treason?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#40 Feb 7, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
Seems to me this leaked memo is in the same category as that used by President Bush to establish that water-boarding is not torture.
Now, we have a President seeking to establish a legal premise for killing American citizens. At this juncture, the memos appear to be limited to targeted Americans overseas. How long before the President tries to apply the same tenets to citizens in the U.S.?
It seems to me that a citizen who can be killed can also be captured and tried in a court of law. That is our right, regardless of where we happen to be. Infringement of the inalianable right to life is a crime, tanatamount to treason.
Any President who targets and kills American citizens anywhere without providing an opportunity for the citizen to face his accusers in a court of law should be impeached.
They DO have a chance to face their accusers by surrendering. Any American citizen can surrender to US forces anywhere around the globe at any time.

If they CHOOSE not to confront their accusers, then they're fair game.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#41 Feb 7, 2013
Justin wrote:
Targeting "American" Al-Queda members with missile strikes is perhaps one of few decisions that president Obama made that I actually agree with.
Still, I can picture the man distraught and sobbing in Hillary's arms after giving the order.
The fact that right-wingers support it at all should have him crying and sobbing. That and the fact that he's violating the Constitution.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#42 Feb 7, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you Professor. Whatever differences people have in politics, they can be put on the back burner. But what can be done? The next president at this point will do the same. Doesn't seem like there is much yelling up there in Washington by the politicians right now. Why are they doing this? Is it possible our economy experience a downturn and people will act up? All of this is way overkill since 9/11.
What can be done? I don't know, and you're right, it would likely be the same whoever's in office.

Without the threat of a draft, as in the Viet Nam years, no one seems to care. I'm not sure what it's going to take to change things.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#43 Feb 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
They're terrorists, no more rationale is needed.
That IS the rationale, but it's a false one. American citizens are and should be protected by the guarantees built into the Constitution.

Who declares them "terrorists?" On what authority, with what evidence? What restrictions would prevent them from declaring ANY American citizen a "terrorist?"

You need to think these things through, not just take a knee-jerk approach because a Dem's in the White House.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#44 Feb 7, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
That IS the rationale, but it's a false one. American citizens are and should be protected by the guarantees built into the Constitution.
Who declares them "terrorists?" On what authority, with what evidence? What restrictions would prevent them from declaring ANY American citizen a "terrorist?"
You need to think these things through, not just take a knee-jerk approach because a Dem's in the White House.
there is also the provision that they cannot be able to arrest those terrorists to bring them to trial...ie, they are in another country and embedded with known terrorists...

if US citizens are known to be helping and plotting with terrorists to harm the US, would you rather they run free? isn't treason stilla capital offense?

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