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Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs

There are 109512 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 8, 2009, titled Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs. In it, Newsday reports that:

President Barack Obama promised Monday to deliver more than 600,000 jobs through his $787 billion stimulus plan this summer, with federal agencies pumping billions into public works projects, schools and summer youth programs.

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nac

Massapequa, NY

#115969 Jun 19, 2012
joe wrote:
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Are they ok? I don't have a clue. Seems the concept makes sense: if you control the source it's easier to track the guns. As far as execution is concerned, I haven't a clue. This turns out to be one of those instances where an agent became a whistle-blower. I guess we have to decide whether we reward whistle-blowing or punish it. There sure doesn't seem to be anything criminal going on. Issa's on a mission.
Nothing criminal going on??? Wow.
nac

Massapequa, NY

#115970 Jun 19, 2012
joe wrote:
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Are they ok? I don't have a clue. Seems the concept makes sense: if you control the source it's easier to track the guns. As far as execution is concerned, I haven't a clue. This turns out to be one of those instances where an agent became a whistle-blower. I guess we have to decide whether we reward whistle-blowing or punish it. There sure doesn't seem to be anything criminal going on. Issa's on a mission.
If Mexico was running guns into the US, would that be criminal?
rider

Gwinn, MI

#115971 Jun 19, 2012
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Teddy R

Reston, VA

#115972 Jun 19, 2012
okboston wrote:
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Our problem is not taxes. Our problems are:
1. A general lack of jobs and the number of jobs are decreasing due to technological progress. Cell phones replacing land-lines puts people out of work from copper mines, copper wire manufacturers, linemen, those that grow the trees for poles, pole manufactures, those that install the lines in homes and apartments, and others. They are replaced by much fewer workers manufacturing and installing cell towers and hanging transmission devices on those towers. This takes money out of the hands of consumers.
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Rank neo-Luddite nonsense.

Next you'll be ranting to bring back the buggy whip, livery stable, hand loom, and beaver hat industries.

And the demise of the stone axe and arrowhead craftsman - a national tragedy.

Don't be such a joke.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#115973 Jun 19, 2012
nac wrote:
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Nothing criminal going on??? Wow.
By my count, we're up to conspiracy, perjury, contempt of Congress, accessory to murder, and high treason - and that's just Holder!
finding

Paragould, AR

#115975 Jun 19, 2012
okboston wrote:
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BS, Government can stimululate economies. However, you are correct that consumers, where ever they may be located, must spend in order to sustain an economy.
stim·u·late
&#8194; &#8194;[stim-yuh-leyt] Show IPA verb, stim·u·lat·ed, stim·u·lat·ing.
verb (used with object)
1. to rouse to action or effort, as by encouragement or pressure; spur on; incite: to stimulate his interest in mathematics.
2. Physiology, Medicine/Medical . to excite (a nerve, gland, etc.) to its functional activity.
3. to invigorate (a person) by a food or beverage containing a stimulant, as coffee, tea, or alcoholic liquor.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stimul...
The government can stimulate by spending on infrastructure, giving people money, putting into place policies that encourage increased activity, cutting taxes, etc....
By far, the best and the longest lasing effects are through improvements to infrastructure that increase efficiency or lower costs for business activity.
What happen to the stimious money? We had so many shovel ready jobs, where did they go? We have no leader, maybe a community organizer.
nac

Massapequa, NY

#115977 Jun 19, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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By my count, we're up to conspiracy, perjury, contempt of Congress, accessory to murder, and high treason - and that's just Holder!
How dare you hold them accountable for their actions?
rider

Gwinn, MI

#115978 Jun 19, 2012
Deport all slime-ball WASPs!
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#115981 Jun 19, 2012
rider wrote:
Deport all slime-ball WASPs!
RACIST!
at it again

Islip, NY

#115982 Jun 19, 2012
nbc at it again, there is no doubt about the bias in the media, and anyone who would dispute it, is just not credible.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/201...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#115983 Jun 19, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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RACIST!
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Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115984 Jun 19, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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You get a C+, gatorbait.
Makeup question to salvage your grade:
1) If there were ways to "slim down the delivery process to recoup the losses to stay in the black" available to you _before_ corp taxes were increased on your business, WHY DIDN'T YOU, and produce better profits? Why are you waiting until you're in a loss-making position before effecting changes for efficiency? Answer - You're an incompetent, lazy manager. You're fired.
And an extra credit question - get this right and you MIGHT pass the test:
2) If you are a competent manager, already running your business at maximum efficiency so there is no possible way to further "slim down the delivery process," when US corporate taxes are raised on your business, pushing you beyond the point where "expenditure increases (can be) passed down to the consumer" because "one can only charge for goods and services what the market will bear," WHAT HAPPENS?
(Big hint - as you seem to need it - from your own post: "It is entirely possible to charge ones way out of business).
Class dismissed.
#1 - You didn't even answer your own question correctly. Try again.

#2 - Unless there is an inadequate market for your product, there is always an answer available to keep things affordable for you and the customer. You may not see it, but it's there. Case in point. Natural gas and fracking. There is always room for improvement when in business and it should be an ongoing process at all times. Cost increases whether through price increase in supply, labor or taxes only causes the process to speed up. If mismanagement has not made plans for eventualities such as machinery break down, replacement, fire, etc, then the company was going to go out of business at any rate regardless of taxes. Another case in point,,, GM.

I have had businesses on the side in the past myself. I don't do well when confronted face to face with sarcasm or belligerence. I do even less well when I have a hand full of rubber checks in my hand at the end of the month. I know all about taxes and private business. Your electric rates, phone rates, banking rates are all higher. You have local tax, school board tax, state tax and Fed tax and it's all at a higher rate than your personal taxes. You at times have to be bonded as well as insured not to mention your state and/or local license. Everything costs and you have to make it up somehow. You charge what the market will bear and find ways to cut costs in some fashion. Whether it be by depreciating your equipment, claiming a section of your home for office space, hire yourself as a book keeper or even your wife. Whatever works. Big corps have it all down to a fine art as well as the ultra wealthy. They have even claimed in public they pay zero taxes and even get rebates for cripes sake.

If these folks aren't paying taxes and even getting rebates, where are all the created jobs from all of this? Billions in profits aren't enough? Profits means just that. Profits means the kitties have all been put into that cover all eventualities. Profits means that is what they put in their pocket and go to the movies or buy a new Mercedes with. They must be doing exactly that because they sure as sh1t aren't hiring anyone.

I guess now you or someone is going to say that Obama has put together a conspiracy to make sure no one hires to many employee's because he hates America so badly that he's willing to actually live here and destroy it when it would be easier to just live in another country that is more to his liking.

The facts say that cutting taxes or keeping them low is not the answer as far as the wealthy go. If you persist in saying that is the way to go you have to be ignoring our current financial situation because lowering taxes is a portion of what caused our current situation. Denying lower taxes helped create the situation doesn't change the facts one iota.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115985 Jun 19, 2012
finding wrote:
<quoted text>What happen to the stimious money? We had so many shovel ready jobs, where did they go? We have no leader, maybe a community organizer.
If you'll actually take the time to do some research you'll recall a word that was attached to the stimulus. The word was kickstart. The stimulus was never intended to completely turn the economy around and was made public at that same time. It was intended to kickstart the economy. It did. Congress was supposed to help come up with further plans to completely turn the economy around. When one half of congress wants to protect the wealthy and punish the middle and lower class for living the high life and the other half doesn't, nothing gets done.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115986 Jun 19, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Our problem is not taxes. Our problems are:
1. A general lack of jobs and the number of jobs are decreasing due to technological progress. Cell phones replacing land-lines puts people out of work from copper mines, copper wire manufacturers, linemen, those that grow the trees for poles, pole manufactures, those that install the lines in homes and apartments, and others. They are replaced by much fewer workers manufacturing and installing cell towers and hanging transmission devices on those towers. This takes money out of the hands of consumers.
2. Many of the jobs being created simply replace higher paid workers for lower paid workers. This takes money out of the hands of consumers.
3. The greying of America creates a job shift from home construction (higher paying) to eating in resteraunts (lower paying) and other service jobs such as increased travel (lower paying).
4. All of this individually and collectively shifts tax dollars from Defense, food security and other areas to payments to individuals through socialist, wealth redistribution programs such as SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Housing support, etc....
I disagree with your first line. "Our problem isn't taxes." Our problem is taxes because taxes are the revenue that pays the deficit. Regardless of what the conservatives are saying, the lack of revenue created by Bush drove the deficit up, is still driving it up and will continue to drive it up until revenue is created to drive it back down. It isn't spending that's the problem. The majority of our deficit is coming from already established spending. Cutting this spending would upset our economy even more, again regardless of what conservatives say. All we are able to do at this point in time is borrow and pay the interest on our deficit because we have a huge lack of revenue. This lack of revenue was created by cutting taxes, creating loopholes and deregulation that allowed the collapse of GM, Wall street and our banking industry.
Conservatives will deny this tooth and nail. Common sense and the facts over ride all denials.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#115987 Jun 19, 2012
TSM wrote:
If I was asked to describe the difference between Romney/Republicans and Obama/Liberals/Democrats it’s simple!!
Romney/Republicans would be like the old Merrill Lynch slogan "We did it the old fashioned way, we earned it."
Obama/Liberals/Democrats would be like the Bonnie and Clyde!!!
I think that was Smith-Barney or another old House.

Which does kind of make you like Romney/Republicans misattributing, misrepresenting; misconstruing.......you get the picture.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115988 Jun 19, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Rank neo-Luddite nonsense.
Next you'll be ranting to bring back the buggy whip, livery stable, hand loom, and beaver hat industries.
And the demise of the stone axe and arrowhead craftsman - a national tragedy.
Don't be such a joke.
Isn't that what you're arguing for Teddy? You're arguing to allow free reign of business and do away with Government. Dude! That's what we've been doing the last ten years. Denying that and saying it's all Obama's fault is the joke.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115989 Jun 19, 2012
TSM wrote:
If I was asked to describe the difference between Romney/Republicans and Obama/Liberals/Democrats it’s simple!!
Romney/Republicans would be like the old Merrill Lynch slogan "We did it the old fashioned way, we earned it."
Obama/Liberals/Democrats would be like the Bonnie and Clyde!!!
Only when you choose to stay uniformed and only look at one side of the argument.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#115990 Jun 19, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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By my count, we're up to conspiracy, perjury, contempt of Congress, accessory to murder, and high treason - and that's just Holder!
I only know what I've read in the news on all of this. What I'm reading though is a bit of a witch hunt being made on a bunch of monkey's that were trying to 5uck a football.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#115991 Jun 19, 2012
gaytor_bayt wrote:
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I disagree with your first line. "Our problem isn't taxes." Our problem is taxes because taxes are the revenue that pays the deficit. Regardless of what the conservatives are saying, the lack of revenue created by Bush drove the deficit up, is still driving it up and will continue to drive it up until revenue is created to drive it back down. It isn't spending that's the problem. The majority of our deficit is coming from already established spending. Cutting this spending would upset our economy even more, again regardless of what conservatives say. All we are able to do at this point in time is borrow and pay the interest on our deficit because we have a huge lack of revenue. This lack of revenue was created by cutting taxes, creating loopholes and deregulation that allowed the collapse of GM, Wall street and our banking industry.
Conservatives will deny this tooth and nail. Common sense and the facts over ride all denials.
I donb't disagree, my point was that cutting taxes is not goinng to solve the employment problem. However, you are correct that cutting taxes will make the deficit problem worse.
joe

Corte Madera, CA

#115993 Jun 19, 2012
The government CAN create jobs.

Hire back public employees (teachers, firemen, policemen, FDA inspectors, border guards etc.).
They pay taxes.

But, the big news is, they BUY THINGS and SERVICES with their salaries and wages.

Like food (employment in agribusiness), cars (manufacturing), houses (construction trades), home furnishings, vacations, restaurants, clothes, etc.

Maybe you get the picture. This country is fueled by consumers. The middle-class are consumers.

Thus the middle-class create jobs with their purchasing power. Not the wealthy with their investing potential. The rich may finance some growth and expansion of capacity, but it's the middle-class by far and away who make it ALL happen. They are the DEMAND.

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