Connecticut passes strictest gun cont...

Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws in US as Obama's reforms stall

There are 1562 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Apr 4, 2013, titled Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws in US as Obama's reforms stall. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

A makeshift memorial to the victims of the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, which has reignited the national debate on gun control.

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“For Home Defense Get A Shotgun”

Since: May 08

York, PA

#231 Apr 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, it was 5-4, even on the individual right, because the 4 dissenters linked that to state militia service only.
Please provide the exact language from Heller that supports your statement. It was still 9-0 as an individual right...
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So you have an individual right to own a gun ONLY as part of your duties to serve in a state militia; not for hunting or self defense or target practice or slaughtering school kids.
I will ignore your attempt to provoke. So again, please provide the exact language from Heller (I am especially interested in the part about slaughtering school kids).
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Breyer's dissent was to demonstrate that even IF there was an individual right, it's not unlimited.
Partially correct - the majority also stated that it was not unlimited. The dissent was really taking exception to overturning the law in DC.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If you're right, then you have nothing to worry about because any and ever restriction on guns & ammo including background checks or bans on felons owning guns or taking your gun to prison with you will be overturned by the courts based on that precedent.
After all, it can't be infringed......
Not relevant. The 9-0 individual right determination and the point of this discussion has nothing to do with the extent of the limitation on keeping and bearing arms. Those things you identified above are already in place. If they are specifically overturned in the future it will be by something other than 9-0 (just like the law in DC).

Try it this way 9-0 individual right. 5-4 on the extent the right can be limited. The argument now and future court cases will center on to what extent the right can be infringed. It will be interesting...

Since: Feb 11

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#232 Apr 6, 2013
God Save The Republic wrote:
(1) The Amendment protects an "individual" right—i.e., one that is separately possessed, and may be separately enforced, by each person on whom it is conferred.
Funny with lots of room left... you didn't attach the very next thing they said:

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#233 Apr 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure, as soon as you take your christianity there; more christians have been killed in the middle east than gays.
Since no god-creature exists, there are no "god-given rights".
Hey, I was just offering up a realistic trade- marriage equality for unlimited gun rights.
Care to make a wager whether my marriage is treated equally under the law before you're allowed to own any gun you want anywhere at anytime without any restrictions at all?
It's a limited time offer; I'd suggest you take it......
Under our system of laws it is an insane proposal.

As Americans we can never tolerate trading one right for another.

You may want to give up liberty for security but that would be your own insecurity.

What would you hand back for freedom of speech or equal justice under the law?

At the end of the day it is all intertwined.

Our rights are not childhood privileges to be handed out and taken back by a parental governing force.

Once one right is lost it is forever lost and the next right begins to slip away at that moment.

“For Home Defense Get A Shotgun”

Since: May 08

York, PA

#234 Apr 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Funny with lots of room left... you didn't attach the very next thing they said:
(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
Correct - The part under discussion on this particular thread was on 5-4 or 9-0 as individual right. The extent of limitation is a whole separate tropic...
Obskeptic

Waterford, MI

#235 Apr 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure, as soon as you take your christianity there; more christians have been killed in the middle east than gays.
Since no god-creature exists, there are no "god-given rights".
Hey, I was just offering up a realistic trade- marriage equality for unlimited gun rights.
Care to make a wager whether my marriage is treated equally under the law before you're allowed to own any gun you want anywhere at anytime without any restrictions at all?
It's a limited time offer; I'd suggest you take it......
So your answer is that your God, and so are the rest of the people that think like you and agree with you. My answer is F' you and your arrogance. You can pretend all you want that your desire to stuff your manhood into the ass of another man is normal behavior and equal to what nature or God or whatever you believe in in regards to our creation and ability to procreate intended, but that will never make it so.

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#236 Apr 6, 2013
God Save The Republic wrote:
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Correct - The part under discussion on this particular thread was on 5-4 or 9-0 as individual right. The extent of limitation is a whole separate tropic...
Do let me know when you are appointed forum moderator and you work to confine people to the "topic"... putting aside the topic subject is re: Connecticut law, and of course: the previous poster put up half the SCOTUS statement and "forgot" to add the language that qualified that opinion.

“For Home Defense Get A Shotgun”

Since: May 08

York, PA

#237 Apr 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Do let me know when you are appointed forum moderator and you work to confine people to the "topic"... putting aside the topic subject is re: Connecticut law, and of course: the previous poster put up half the SCOTUS statement and "forgot" to add the language that qualified that opinion.
I forgot nothing - I left it out on purpose because as I indicated it was not relevant to the discussion of 9-0 vs 5-4 on the question of individual right. The extent of restrictions is a different discussion.

I am not trying to confine anyone to the topic - take it any place you want. I was simply indicating why I left it out. It is really not that difficult and certainly there is no big conspiracy here...

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#238 Apr 6, 2013
God Save The Republic wrote:
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I forgot nothing - I left it out on purpose because as I indicated it was not relevant to the discussion of 9-0 vs 5-4
You think you are the moderator of this forum and I don't see anything from Topix that says it is so.

I don't have to pretend to try to follow what you think is logical.
You put up ****HALF*** of the SCOTUS decision and

Putting up HALF the decision of course means you were lying.

If I think that I need your permission to post, I will give you a call.

Post your phone number?

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#239 Apr 6, 2013
Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws

its called state government induced tyranny

“For Home Defense Get A Shotgun”

Since: May 08

York, PA

#240 Apr 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You think you are the moderator of this forum and I don't see anything from Topix that says it is so.
I don't have to pretend to try to follow what you think is logical.
You put up ****HALF*** of the SCOTUS decision and
Putting up HALF the decision of course means you were lying.
If I think that I need your permission to post, I will give you a call.
Post your phone number?
Dude you are delusional. I do not think I am the moderator of this forum. Who said anything about getting my permission to post?

Actually, I put up much less than half the decision. It is many pages long...
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#241 Apr 6, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws
its called state government induced tyranny
It's called States Rights, remember?

Poor vinnie alibaba.....hahahahahahahahaha

Since: Feb 11

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#242 Apr 6, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws
its called state government induced tyranny
Give up on your other alias, Vince?

Since: Feb 11

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#243 Apr 6, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws
its called state government induced tyranny
It's called state's rights, Vince.

It's only tyranny when people pull down your panties and laugh at your tiny grapes.

I see four more states passing universal background checks, Vince.

Tick tock.

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#244 Apr 6, 2013
God Save The Republic wrote:
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Dude you are delusional. I do not think I am the moderator of this forum. Who said anything about getting my permission to post?
Great, than you can STFU then and 'allow' everyone to post as they see fit.

SCOTUS did not pause one breath when they decided in favor of Heller- they CLEARLY for the nonintellectually- challenged qualkfied their opinion with a BUT...

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#245 Apr 6, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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It's called States Rights, remember?
ah...

You covered that already.

I owe you a Coke.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#246 Apr 6, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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It's called States Rights, remember?
Poor vinnie alibaba.....hahahahahahahahaha
A state has no right greater then the Constitution.

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#247 Apr 6, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>A state has no right greater then the Constitution.
You don't think hard before you post, do you dear?
conservative crapola

Bethlehem, PA

#250 Apr 6, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>A state has no right greater then the Constitution.
I love this teadead 180 when a talking point they've been suckling forever takes an about face.

bwahahahahahahahahahaha

Since: Feb 11

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#252 Apr 6, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
- Alexander Hamilton,
Hamilton didn't believe in democracy and wanted to make George Washington king.

He wanted to have a government just like England which he said was the best in the world.

Since: Feb 11

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#253 Apr 6, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Better than is the case with >you<, who doesn't "think" at ALL.
Sadly for you, GayDavy, I don't have to think to outwit you... or any of your aliases.

I don't even have to be awake.

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