Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 Full story: Reuters 1,518

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1498 Sep 6, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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We'll car pool. He will be happy, happy, happy.
I am in Sheeples neck of the woods tonight. I am happy, happy, happy. And the air is SOOOOOOO fresh, fresh, fresh. You'd never know there are gas wells in these parts.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1499 Sep 6, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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The farmers around here got together and forced the state to pass a law prohibiting wind turbines in this region. Not just for the birds but because we like the scenery as it is. The Flint Hills of Kansas is too beautiful to mess up with ugly man made towers. No money on earth is worth that.
Thank you for this info. Kansas just moved up a few notches on my "most wanted to visit" list. The Flint Hills has been high on my future vacation list for a long time. The birding is supposed to be spectacular on the prairies. I also love the wide, open spaces with only sky and rolling hills of grasses as far as the eye can see.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1500 Sep 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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At least I know where to send my friends to blow up the oil wells.
Oh, so you DO like the smell of burning fossil fuels!

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#1501 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
At least I know where to send my friends to blow up the oil wells.
'Environmentalist' radicals are like saboteurs. They want to raise gas prices and keep energy prices high.

They are against consumer interests. This is where we differ.
PHD

Fentress, TX

#1502 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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How can it be RUDE of someone to not see something? Is it RUDE of birds when they fly into large structures on foggy nights?
Are you changing your Pointe of view or your political motivation? You now say large structures.

“RELAX”

Since: Dec 12

EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT

#1503 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Thank you for this info. Kansas just moved up a few notches on my "most wanted to visit" list. The Flint Hills has been high on my future vacation list for a long time. The birding is supposed to be spectacular on the prairies. I also love the wide, open spaces with only sky and rolling hills of grasses as far as the eye can see.
We have been working on preserving these open spaces for a long time and now we have the federal government on our side too.

http://www.nps.gov/tapr/index.htm

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1504 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Wind mill jobs are only temporary. They are all going bankrupt. They would have been better off building a Walmart.
Except of course they're not.

Wind turbines require regular maintenance, just like everything else, and those jobs can't be outsourced.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1505 Sep 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>'Environmentalist' radicals are like saboteurs. They want to raise gas prices and keep energy prices high.
They are against consumer interests. This is where we differ.
Actually I couldn't care less about gas prices. The oil/gas barons will continue to raise prices as high as the sheeple will pay. That's why they raised the price of gas 30 cents/gallon the day before the Labor Day weekend, and haven't dropped it a penny since.

If you don't like the price of gas, then don't buy any.

The choice is yours.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1506 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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SOME individual birds can be trained to evade...SOMETIMES.
Migration has been going on for eons. How do you go into the forests, meadows, prairies, marshes, bogs, swamps, mountain ridges, alpine tundra, mudflats and fields all over the continent and find every warbler, vireo, tanager, cuckoo, rail, etc...and explain to them which route to take when migratory restlessness sets in? Or do you just tell them how high to fly?
History, instincts, weather, star patterns, magnetic fields, sounds, and atmosphereic pressure tell the birds what to do. Not people.
Sorry, it's an impossible task. It IS easier for people to change their ways. After all, we are the "smart" ones. We can find a way to use wind without monstrosities sticking up into the sky.
Magnetic fields, sounds, and atmospheric pressure can all be altered by man for certain periods and over varying size areas.
I suppose I should just let you go on and gum flap as you wish. It's a cinch you will continue to obtusely deflect and waste words talking about training every little birdy in the swamps and forests, when you know damn well that is not what I am saying.
Have it your way. I gave up hammering granite a long time ago. When you take a bit in your mouth, no one can stop you from yourself. It's your way or nothing.
Got it.
ciao
Others can
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1507 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Except of course they're not.
Wind turbines require regular maintenance, just like everything else, and those jobs can't be outsourced.
If a foreigner does the job, whether it is within the borders, or outside of the borders, is not that job outsourced either way?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1508 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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The farmer I talked to said he welcomed the MONEY he received to put some on his land. At $10,000 a pop, he couldn't care less about some birdies.
I don't care about the jobs. They are only temporary and not worth the lives lost. They could have built anything to create jobs if that was a big concern.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Precisely why most won't rise up in opposition to wind turbines.
That's what I tried to tell her too.
Good luck penetrating any idea there.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1509 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Owls were hunting squirrels last night? Was it dark? Were they flying squirrels?
Yes.
Yes.
No.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1510 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I don't buy that...about mans nature being constant.
And I never told him he couldn't put one on his property. I did tell him what could happen to the birds. But hell, he doesn't know what a damn warbler is either.
The only thing I find to be a constant about man is his ignorance, greed and selfishness.
Interesting.
It is in fact the nature of man which was written about in our founding documents. They wrote of principles because principles are a constant and so is the very nature of man.

Note how you threw water on your own nonsense. Is not greed the very thing that Mr. Sheep and myself have been trying to tell you will never change as it is a part of the very nature of man? Why yes. Yes it is.

You will continue to beat your head against the wall on this issue, and continue tilting at windmills, because your own nature dictates you will, apparently.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1511 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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If a foreigner does the job, whether it is within the borders, or outside of the borders, is not that job outsourced either way?
If the job is done within the US, then it hasn't been outsourced.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1512 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Precisely why most won't rise up in opposition to wind turbines.
Most farmers might not rise up against them, but most people aren't farmers.

One thing about most people is that they are sentimental when it comes to animals. I'm going to make a jacket or t-shirt or something that shows one of those decapited birds under a wind turbine with words that read; 'Wind Power- Not Green; Blood RED'

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1513 Sep 7, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Are you changing your Pointe of view or your political motivation? You now say large structures.
I have always maintained the issue is with large structures; be it cell towers, radio/tv towers, skyscrapers, wind turbines, etc. Keep in mind the thread is about global warming, therfore wind turbines are appropriate to reference more so than the other large structures. Also keep in mind wind turbines are the least useful (to most people) out of all of the above AND they are the NEWEST threat- one we should be very cautious of before carelessly moving ahead with them BECAUSE we know what happens at the other tall structures.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1514 Sep 7, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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We have been working on preserving these open spaces for a long time and now we have the federal government on our side too.
http://www.nps.gov/tapr/index.htm
Thank you for the link. I do look forward to a trip down there. I only have to decide if I should visit in late summer when the sounds of insects fill the air, prairie plants are tall and in bloom and the fledglings of the year, as well as early migrants, increase the avian population; or in the spring when northbound migrants are moving through and the newly arrived resident birds are on their breeding territories and easier to find as they sing and display to their mates. Both seasons have a special appeal.

What do you recommend?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1515 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If the job is done within the US, then it hasn't been outsourced.
Incorrect.
Outsourcing can be when an employer takes a particular function (job) out of the company's employee's hands and has another stateside (meaning within the USA) company perform that function at a lower price or a faster time frame, or whatever the need is at the time.
Outsourcing can be when an outside person is hired instead of an American citizen.
Is not the whole debate over outsourcing the simple fact that American jobs are being lost to foreigners? Why yes. Yes it is.
Since that is true, if a foreigner replaces an American in any job position whatsoever, it does not matter where the physical location of that job is, and that job can appropriately be said to have been "outsourced".

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1516 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Except of course they're not.
Wind turbines require regular maintenance, just like everything else, and those jobs can't be outsourced.
What exactly is "regular maintenance" on a wind turbine?
A visit from a turbine guy once a year? twice a year? once a month? How many hours does this maintenence guy work each week?

I would have been happy with a nuclear power plant. The energy is more reliable, cleaner and disturbs fewer acres with increased energy output. And the open water in winter would make for some great birding at that time of year.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1517 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Most farmers might not rise up against them, but most people aren't farmers.
One thing about most people is that they are sentimental when it comes to animals. I'm going to make a jacket or t-shirt or something that shows one of those decapited birds under a wind turbine with words that read; 'Wind Power- Not Green; Blood RED'
Why not go all the way and just throw blood on those in the industry you hate so much? You could then be looked upon as affectionately as the PETA freaks.

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