People do not need assault weapons: d...

People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

There are 4995 comments on the Reuters story from Jan 17, 2013, titled People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary. In it, Reuters reports that:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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Since: Jan 12

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#2356 Feb 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and I don't remember that oath having an expiration date. When I see our elected representatives {spit} doing and acting exactly like those Nazi's by trying to enact the same kind of laws, I have a responsibility to point that out to any and everyone I can. Don't like it....leave.
As far as "disgracing your own service"......GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Ah, I see - so your alleged "oath" gives you the right to compare your nation to Nazi Germany. Does that make YOU a Nazi, too, then? What branch of the service are you in, the Sturmabteilung, Waffen SS, or regular Wehrmacht?

Take your own advice, punk. NO thanks for your alleged "service."

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#2357 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, I see - so your alleged "oath" gives you the right to compare your nation to Nazi Germany. Does that make YOU a Nazi, too, then? What branch of the service are you in, the Sturmabteilung, Waffen SS, or regular Wehrmacht?
Take your own advice, punk. NO thanks for your alleged "service."
Pointing out the similarities of our current govt and the actions of Germany's National Socialist Party makes me a Nazi???? How the hell do you come to that conclusion?? No. What it makes me is a student of history. As the saying goes....those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it.

Go educate yourself, simpleton.

au contraire

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#2358 Feb 9, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Start with the part that said Jews couldn't own firearms, simpleton.
We have already proved that the NAZIs RELAXED restrictions for the vast majority of the population.
Yes, thay were Nazi's, just like Obama. He gives waivers to his friends on all his trick f--ks on the public.

au contraire

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Since: Nov 12

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#2359 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
You're not noted for your rational mind, Richard. Obama's administration never addressed gun control until a series of public massacres, culminating with the butchery in Sandy Hook, took place.
Don't blame him because there are too many guns in the hands of too many nuts.
Harvey, I know it's the new liberal method to start every post with a negative attack, but at least try to put some meaning behind it. You are confusing yourself.
conservative crapola

Hamburg, PA

#2360 Feb 9, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>
au le au le jimfraudfree. hahahahahaha

lejimfraudcry-a-thon: Day 95
Voluntarist

United States

#2361 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're a "veteran," why the hell don't you stop comparing your OWN COUNTRY TO NAZI GERMANY? Whatever happened there with gun control has NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA TODAY.
Why can't you gunner pinheads understand that? You only anger and offend people by acting as if our government is run by Nazis. You disgrace your own service, too.
If people are disarmed its easier for a dictator to rise up.
Why do you think the chinese government dont allow their people to be armed?

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#2362 Feb 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Pointing out the similarities of our current govt and the actions of Germany's National Socialist Party makes me a Nazi???? How the hell do you come to that conclusion?? No. What it makes me is a student of history. As the saying goes....those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it.
Go educate yourself, simpleton.
There are no significant similarities, particularly in regard to gun control. Gun control is not "Naziism," whether you think so or not.

GFY

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#2363 Feb 9, 2013
VeryGood wrote:
Thoughts on Gun Control - The Hitler Argument
http://www.jefflewis.net/blog/2013/01/thought...
Liberals following Hitlers lead
This is a "source" if you're a gun-nut or other rightie idiot:

Jeff's Lunchbreak
A skeptical blog discussing evolution, aviation, religion, and anything else I feel like.

LOL
Voluntarist

United States

#2364 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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There are no significant similarities, particularly in regard to gun control. Gun control is not "Naziism," whether you think so or not.
GFY
Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968
was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation.
Reference the English translation (plus a link to the original
(copy) in German.)
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

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#2365 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a "source" if you're a gun-nut or other rightie idiot:
Jeff's Lunchbreak
A skeptical blog discussing evolution, aviation, religion, and anything else I feel like.
LOL
I must apologize for that post, I didn't read down far enough. Jeff's blog actually cites good evidence from The Straight Dope and from Snopes that Hitler not only DIDN'T restrict gun possession in pre-war Germany, but LIBERALIZED it (except for Jews and a few other minorities the Nazis hated, of course).

Note this:

*****

Did Hitler institute strict gun control measures in Germany?

This gets a little more complicated, but basically, no. Very strict gun control laws were put in place in Germany following WWI and the Treaty of Versailles, long before Hitler came to power. In 1919 and 1920, the Weimar government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership and the Law on the Disarmament of the People that in effect banned private gun ownership. In 1928, the Law on Firearms and Ammunition was passed which greatly relaxed Germany's gun control laws. Private gun ownership was allowed, but it wasn't a complete deregulation. People were required to have permits to own guns, separate permits to carry guns, and still more permits for the various aspects of the gun industry.

Hitler's rise to power began with the Great Depression. In 1933, he was appointed as chancellor. Throughout that year, he consolidated power for himself. When the president died the following year, the powers of that office were combined with the chancellor, giving Hitler practically full control of the government.

In 1938, a new gun control law was passed in Germany, now under Hitler's regime, the German Weapons Act. So, how did this new law change gun policy in the country. Here's how Alex Seitz-Wald described it in an article in Salon, The Hitler gun control lie.

"The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he [LaPierre] says it did. "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition," Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

However, and this is a big however, the law did prohibit Jews and other oppressed minorities from owning firearms."

*****

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA lying? How could it BE?:)

In any case, Jeff's blog is worthwhile and offers some good information.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#2366 Feb 9, 2013
It's run by Neo Nazis! Why in hell don't these "liberals" leave us alone? I hate so called "Progress" and "Progressives"! You aren't going to be happy until there's another civil war! You've been pushing us for at least fifty years and one day the blow back will come. I hope you have a good bunker because in the night and fog of civil disruption, they're going to hunt you down and I will applaud them.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're a "veteran," why the hell don't you stop comparing your OWN COUNTRY TO NAZI GERMANY? Whatever happened there with gun control has NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA TODAY.
Why can't you gunner pinheads understand that? You only anger and offend people by acting as if our government is run by Nazis. You disgrace your own service, too.
conservative crapola

Orefield, PA

#2367 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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dumbo spam.

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#2368 Feb 9, 2013
TerryE wrote:
It's run by Neo Nazis! Why in hell don't these "liberals" leave us alone? I hate so called "Progress" and "Progressives"! You aren't going to be happy until there's another civil war! You've been pushing us for at least fifty years and one day the blow back will come. I hope you have a good bunker because in the night and fog of civil disruption, they're going to hunt you down and I will applaud them.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
That is damned funny, Terry...:)

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#2369 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968
was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation.
Reference the English translation (plus a link to the original
(copy) in German.)
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm
An extremist Jewish (read: Israeli) site? LOL! As if I'd believe such crap.
Voluntarist

United States

#2370 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
An extremist Jewish (read: Israeli) site? LOL! As if I'd believe such crap.
And how do you define extremist?
Voluntarist

United States

#2371 Feb 9, 2013
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register
with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted
Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of
firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to
control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and
ammunition.
A Gun Contr
Voluntarist

United States

#2372 Feb 9, 2013
Regulations Against Jews' Possession of
Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938
(Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the
Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938
(Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and
Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-
German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p
1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship
Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are
prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms
and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.
Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once
to turn them over to the local police authority.
§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be
forfeited to the government without compensation.
§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the
Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can
entrust other authorities with this power.
§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1
will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially
severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is
imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the
Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative
provisions.
§6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the
Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick
Voluntarist

United States

#2373 Feb 9, 2013
The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the
infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took
place in November 1938. It was preceded by the
confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov.
8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin
Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:
The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von
Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in
the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin
had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand
weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of
ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons
without valid licenses are threatened with the severest
punishment. 1
On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda
Minister Joseph Goebbels, and other Nazi chiefs planned
the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All
Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately .... Jewish
synagogues are to be set on fire .... The Führer wishes
that the police does not intervene.... All Jews are to be
disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot
immediately." 2
All hell broke loose on Nov. 10: "Nazis Smash, Loot and
Burn Jewish Shops and Temples." "One of the first legal
measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler,
commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to
possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of
twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon
every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter." 3
Thousands of Jews were taken away.
Searches of Jewish homes were calculated
to seize firearms and assets and to arrest
adult males. The American Consulate in
Stuttgart was flooded with Jews begging
for visas: "Men in whose homes old, rusty
revolvers had been found during the last
few days cried aloud that they did not
dare ever again return to their places of
residence or business. In fact, it was a
mass of seething, panic-stricken
humanity."4
Himmler, head of the Nazi terror police, would become an
architect of the Holocaust, which consumed six million
Jews. It was self evident that the Jews must be disarmed
before the extermination could begin.
Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult.
The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in
1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners.
Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938
Voluntarist

United States

#2374 Feb 9, 2013
Other European countries also had laws requiring police
records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms.
When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in
1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many
of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with
political opponents.
Imagine that you are sitting in a movie house in Germany
in May 1940. The German Weekly Newsreel comes on to
show you the attack on Holland, Belgium, and France. 5
The minute Wehrmacht troops and tanks cross the Dutch
border, the film shows German soldiers nailing up a
poster about 2½ by 3 feet in size. It is entitled
"Regulations on Arms Possession in the Occupied
Zone" ("Verordnung über Waffenbesitz im besetzen
Gebiet"). The camera scans the top of the double-
columned poster, written in German on the left and
Flemish on the right, with an eagle and swatiska in the
middle. It commands that all firearms be surrendered to
the German commander within 24 hours. The full text is
not in view, but similar posters threatened the death
penalty for violation.
The film shows artillery and infantry rolling through the
streets as happy citizens wave. It then switches to scenes
of onslaughts against Dutch and Belgian soldiers, and
Hitler's message that this great war would instate the
1000-year Reich. A patriotic song mixed with the images
and music of artillery barrages, Luftwaffe bombings, and
tank assaults compose the grand finale.
Voluntarist

United States

#2375 Feb 9, 2013
France soon fell, and the same
posters threatening the death
penalty for possession of a firearm
went up everywhere. You can see
one today in Paris at the Museum of
the Order of the Liberation (Musée
de l'Ordre de la Libération). A
photograph of the poster is
reproduced here, including a
translation in the sidebar.
There was a fallacy to the threat. No
blank existed on the poster to write
in the time and date of posting, so
one would know when the 24-hour
"waiting period" began or ended.
Perhaps the Nazis would shoot
someone who was an hour late.
Indeed, gun owners even without
guns were dangerous because they
knew how to use guns and tend to be
resourceful, independent-minded
persons. A Swiss manual on armed
resistance stated with such
experiences in mind:
Should you be so trusting and
turn over your weapons you will
be put on a "black list" in spite of
everything. The enemy will
always need hostages or forced
laborers later on (read: "work
slaves") and will gladly make use
of the "black lists." You see once
again that you cannot escape his
net and had better die fighting.
After the deadline, raids coupled
with house searches and street
checks will be conducted. 6

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