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People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

There are 4995 comments on the Reuters story from Jan 17, 2013, titled People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary. In it, Reuters reports that:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2146 Feb 6, 2013
rider wrote:
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA): There are two broad categories of documents produced by the agency relevant to our work: field reports from the CIA station in Guatemala (protected from the FOIA by special statute and therefore impossible to obtain without the president's intervention) and "finished intelligence" written by analysts in the Directorate of Intelligence at headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Most of the documents we received from the Guatemala station were the result of unusual circumstances, arising out of the scandal over CIA liaison with Guatemalan officers linked to the murder of a U.S. citizen.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB32/... LMAO!
You have produced the event that Clinton used to gut the CIA.
Search "Clinton CIA human rights purge"

Also, missing from your documentation is the dominant fact that everything described is a direct result of Central America becoming a front in the Cold War, something Kerry didn't have any problem lying about while standing on the floor of the Senate.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2147 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't recall saying anything like that.
And, every American has the right to defend their own constitutionally-guaranteed rights.
Courts dont' guarantee justice. Just ask OJ how he got away with a double murder. And, how many people have been documented to have been convicted and later proved innocent?
And, how safe will any family be if everybody surrenders to a government that, as is proved by the facts of history, will assassinate innocent Americans.
It is a personal decision whether to submit to a government that assassinates innocent Americans, or not to submit. If you are certain you are innocent, and you are certain the government is acting illegally, then you have every right to fight against the criminals using the authority of the government to commit a crime.
Fine, fight the government then, see where it gets you. We all know where it got your hero.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2148 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Thus, I used the term "documented".
I am inclined to agree with your assessment, but it is just opinion. The Ruby Ridge and Waco cases are documented cases of the government assassinating innocent Americans.
Liar. At Waco it was the cultists themselves who fired on ATF agents trying to enter the compound, thus starting the siege which ended so tragically.

And evidence suggests it was the cultists who set the fires which immolated the compound and many of their children, too. Waco = Jonestown, pretty much.

Try blaming the criminal responsible, David Koresh, and not your own government. The government handled it poorly, to be sure, but they weren't the "assassins" there.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2149 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean "slack"?
McVeigh bombed a government building where 180 people were killed.
McVeigh bombed the building because the government assassinated innocent Americans.
It was my opinion that if there had been only the Waco incident, and Waco was not a repeat of the government assassinating innocent Americans, then it would not have appeared as if the government had changed to a government that has a propensity to assassinate innocent Americans, and Waco would have appeared as an isolated incident, and not a pattern of government assassination of innocent Americans.
Once is coincidence. Twice is enemy activity.
Anyone who attempts in ANY way to justify the horrific act of terrorism in Oklahoma City is an enemy of ALL Americans, including myself.

There were women and kids in that building, you terrorist POS. You deserve the same fate your hero McVeigh condemned them to.

Disgusting pig.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2150 Feb 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Liar. At Waco it was the cultists themselves who fired on ATF agents trying to enter the compound, thus starting the siege which ended so tragically.
And evidence suggests it was the cultists who set the fires which immolated the compound and many of their children, too. Waco = Jonestown, pretty much.
Try blaming the criminal responsible, David Koresh, and not your own government. The government handled it poorly, to be sure, but they weren't the "assassins" there.
You forgot to mention that the "evidence" used to initiate the investigation was fraudulent, and there was no law broken that caused the initiation of the event.

And, your description is inconsistent with the factual account of the event.

And, obviously you never read the Congressional Record where that testimony was given. I'll help you. Here is the government's story.

The assault team turned in their assault rifles and were instructed to use their 9mm pistols to execute the assault.
The assault team entered the compound and were surrounded by occupants with automatic weapons (machine guns).
The occupants opened fire on the assault team with machine guns.
The assault team returned fire with their 9mm pistols.
The assault team was forced to exit the building.

Casualties:
Occupants who opened fire with machine guns on the BATF agents armed with only 9mm pistols - 6 killed
BATF assault team returning fire with 9mm pistols - 4 killed

That is the actual testimony in the Congressional Record.

There was never any evidence of automatic weapons found.

Obviously, it didn't happen the way the BATF agent giving sworn testimony said it did. The occupants surround the BATF agents with machine guns, then just open fire on them. The BATF agents return then respond with pistols. 6 occupants killed. 4 BATF agents killed.
Please don't tell me you believe this.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2151 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You have produced the event that Clinton used to gut the CIA.
Search "Clinton CIA human rights purge"
Also, missing from your documentation is the dominant fact that everything described is a direct result of Central America becoming a front in the Cold War, something Kerry didn't have any problem lying about while standing on the floor of the Senate.
What you don't understand is that the CIA has controlled main stream media since the beginning of Frank Wisner's Operation Mockingbird. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmocki...

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#2152 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Thus, I used the term "documented".
I am inclined to agree with your assessment, but it is just opinion. The Ruby Ridge and Waco cases are documented cases of the government assassinating innocent Americans.
You have a very warped interpretation of historical facts. That guy was a nut - part of the Aryan Brotherhood, stockading mass amounts of weapons, and decided not to appear in court after selling two sawed off shotguns to ATF agents. Mishandled, yes - but who bought this upon himself? RANDY WEAVER!

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/in...

"Randy Weaver, a white separatist, had been targeted by the federal government after failing to appear in court to face charges related to his selling of two illegal sawed-off shotguns to an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) informant. On August 21, 1992, after a period of surveillance, U.S. marshals came upon Harrison; Weaver; Weaver's 14-year-old son, Sammy; and the family dog, Striker, on a road near the Weaver property. A marshal shot and killed the dog, prompting Sammy to fire at the marshal. In the ensuing gun battle, Sammy and U.S. Marshal Michael Degan were shot and killed. A tense standoff ensued, and on August 22 the FBI joined the marshals besieging Ruby Ridge.

Later that day, Harris, Weaver, and his daughter, Sarah, left the cabin, allegedly for the purpose of preparing Sammy's body for burial. FBI sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi, waiting 200 yards away, opened fire, allegedly because he thought Harrison was armed and intending to fire on a helicopter in the vicinity. Horiuchi wounded Weaver, and the group ran to the shed where Sammy's body was lying. When they attempted to escape back into the cabin, Horiuchi fired again, wounding Harrison as he dove through the door and killing Vicki Weaver, who was holding the door open with one hand and cradling her infant daughter with the other. Horiuchi claimed he didn't know that Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door. Harris, Weaver, and Weaver's three daughters surrendered nine days later."

Waco is another nutty case, a sick man who again, bought this all upon himself, and killed his own people;

"On April 19th 1993 David Koresh (born Vernon Howell) claimed the lives of 80 of his Branch Davidian followers, including 25 children, in what seemed to be their final trial by fire. The 33-year-old self-proclaimed "Lamb of God" thus ended a 51-day-standoff with federal law enforcement.

That standoff began February 28th when agents of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) attempted to serve Koresh with a warrant at his Davidian compound outside Waco, Texas. This effort erupted in gunfire. Heavily armed Davidians fired upon federal agents killing four and wounding 16 BATF officers.

Mt. Carmel Burning
After the shootout Koresh refused to leave the enclosure often called "Ranch Apocalypse." The FBI assumed control of the perimeter and conducted negotiations. David Koresh repeatedly broke his promises to come out peacefully. A frustrated and exhausted FBI subsequently attempted to end the standoff by gassing the compound. Koresh, then forced to choose between his compound Kingdom and certain criminal prosecution, opted to end not only of his own life, but that of his followers as well.

This was the tragic end of Koresh's six-year-rule over the once benign Davidian sect, originally founded by an officially excommunicated Seventh Day Adventist named Victor Houteff who died in 1955. David Koresh was a man many mental health experts were inclined to describe as a likely "psychopath."

http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html

Don't use psychopaths as examples.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2153 Feb 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who attempts in ANY way to justify the horrific act of terrorism in Oklahoma City is an enemy of ALL Americans, including myself.
There were women and kids in that building, you terrorist POS. You deserve the same fate your hero McVeigh condemned them to.
Disgusting pig.
You invent what isn't there in the text. You have a preconceived conclusion you are attempting to argue with.
I never gave any justification.
I only discussed the cause of the event.
The OKC bombing was caused by the government repeatedly assassinating innocent Americans.
It's the same thing as saying the invasion of Guadalcanal was caused by the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor. There is no statement of justification. Just a statement of fact.

This is opinion, not fact:
I believe if the Waco incident was an isolated incident of the government assassinating innocent Americans, then the OKC bombing would not have occurred. The OKC bombing occurred because of the perception that, because the government had repeatedly assassinated innocent Americans, the government had changed and become a government with a propensity to assassinate innocent Americans.

Ther eis much discussion about McVeigh, but no discussion about the BATF agent who used fraudulent evidence to assassinate innocent Americans. His name is Larry Potts.

Please include a statement about this Larry Potts in your next post.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2154 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Thus, I used the term "documented".
I am inclined to agree with your assessment, but it is just opinion. The Ruby Ridge and Waco cases are documented cases of the government assassinating innocent Americans.
Death by Association:
The extraordinary frequency of untimely deaths is no mystery
B. Cole
The recent death of microbiologist Dr David Kelly, the BBC's mole in the Iraq intelligence dossier scandal, is particularly poignant as he was at odds with what both George Bush and Blair were claiming about post-war discoveries of Iraqi weapons. Though an apparent suicide, rumours are beginning to circulate that this might be another case of a man with vital information being 'suicided' as a warning to others to keep their mouths shut? Days after his name was leaked, reportedly by the Ministry of Defense, as the suspected source for the BBC's May 29 report, Kelly was grilled by a Parliamentary committee set up to investigate the justifications of what led Britain to war in Iraq. Two days later Kelly's body was found in a wooded area near his home, his wrist slashed and a partly-empty package of painkillers nearby.

Whatever the truth about Dr Kelly's death, the possibility of the existence of government hit squads are a growing concern- in fact, in the US it almost seems as if it's the American way of dealing with muck-raking undesirables and whistleblowers.

Take the six dead American microbiologists linked to the hoax anthrax attacks. When the source of the high-grade anthrax was traced back to a Pentagon lab, microbiologists started dropping off like flies - five died between 12 November and 12 December 2001 in a series of suicides or heart attacks, usually in remote rural areas, while one was bashed to death with a baseball bat in a high-security lab. At least six and as many as fifteen died under suspicious circumstances -and all were directly connected to the CIA and its super-secret bio-weapons programs. It's not unreasonable to assume that when people are 'disappeared' it's because they know something important or incriminating were they in a position to shed light on the anthrax attacks?

http://www.mold-survivor.com/death_by_associa...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2155 Feb 6, 2013
WASHINGTON (April 27)-- Who is Richard Scaife? He's a 65-year-old billionaire Republican wielding power from the shadows.

According to President Bill Clinton's allies, he's the main money man behind a right-wing anti-Clinton conspiracy, attacking with his money. Former White House counsel Lanny Davis argues, "He's using it to destroy a president of the United States."

If it's a conspiracy, it's a pretty open one. Scaife's tax-exempt foundations disclose their grants on the Web. Among them:$2.4 million over several years to American Spectator to pay for anti-Clinton reporting, even a private eye to dig up dirt. And millions more went to other anti-Clinton groups.

Documents: Grants From Scaife Foundations, 1994-1996

He refused CNN's request for an interview, but this much is undisputed: Richard Mellon Scaife is very rich and very partisan.

He was born to great wealth, the great grand-nephew of Andrew Mellon, growing up in Pittsburgh at the family's opulent home, Penguin Court. Often in the care of servants, his hobby was reading newspapers.

Burton Hersh, author of "The Mellon Family," said, "Even as a child, he always saw the correlation between the media and the reputation of politicians. That's certainly been a sub-theme of his life."

Today he owns a newspaper, Pittsburgh's second largest, the Tribune-Review. But he has made his main mark not as a media baron, but by financing Republican politics.


He was the second-largest donor to the Nixon-Agnew campaign in 1972, giving $1 million.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/27/sca...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2156 Feb 6, 2013
Richard Mellon Scaife (born July 3, 1932) is an American billionaire, a principal heir to the Mellon banking, oil, and aluminum fortune as well as owner and publisher of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. In 2005 Scaife was the 238th entry on the Forbes 400, with a personal fortune of $1.2 billion.

Scaife is also known for his financial support of conservative public policy organizations over the past four decades. He has provided support for conservative and libertarian causes in the U.S., mostly through the private, nonprofit foundations he controls: the Sarah Scaife Foundation, Carthage Foundation, and Allegheny Foundation, and until 2001, the Scaife Family Foundation, now controlled by his daughter Jennie and son David.[1][2] Scaife also helped fund the Arkansas Project, which ultimately led to the impeachment proceedings of President Bill Clinton.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2157 Feb 6, 2013
Sarah Mellon (1903–1965) was the niece of Andrew W. Mellon (Secretary of the Treasury during the Great Depression). She was one of the heirs to the Mellon fortune, including Mellon Bank and major investments in Gulf Oil and Alcoa. In 1957, when Fortune prepared its first list of the wealthiest Americans, it estimated that Sarah Mellon, her brother Richard King Mellon, and her cousins Ailsa Mellon-Bruce and Paul Mellon were all amongst the richest eight people in the United States, with fortunes of between 400 and 700 million dollars each.

Sarah Mellon's son, Richard Mellon Scaife, is the owner–publisher of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2158 Feb 6, 2013
After serving as Secretary of Defense for President Bush, Cheney reaped the financial rewards of the revolving money door between the military and industry. Cheney became a member of the board of directors of Morgan Stanley. the Union Pacific Corp., Procter & Gamble Co. and Electronic Data Systems Corp.(Ross Perot company) But, most important, in 1995 Cheney became the CEO of Halliburton (owner of Brown and Root)( Cheney, the chairman of the board, holds a $45.5 million stake as Halliburton's biggest individual stockholder. Brown and Root reaped multi-millions from the Bosnia war.

In 1998 Richard Cheney got the idea that Halliburton should purchase Dresser Industries, for $8.1 billion (creating the world's largest oil-drilling services company) while on a quail hunt with Dresser chair Bill Bradford. Dresser and Halliburton merged. Dresser Industries was owned and operated by Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott Bush (George H.W.'s father) was a partner of Brown Brothers and on the board of Dresser for decades until he became a U.S. Senator.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2159 Feb 6, 2013
CHENEY'S FIRM HALLIBURTON AND BROWN & ROOT FINANCED,(IN PART) PERMINDEX, THE CORPORATE FRONT, WHICH OPERATED THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY.

PERMINDEX was a corporate front, headed by Major Louis M. Bloomfield of Canada. Clay Shaw operated a division of PERMINDEX in New Orleans at the International Trade Mart. The connections between Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald have, at this time, been proven by documentary and photographic evidence, despite myriad attempts to discredit the Garrison investigation.

Halliburton was one of the financiers of PERMINDEX. George and Herman Brown of Brown and Root were also financiers. Halliburton acquired Brown and Root after 1963. In the Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal, William Torbitt, states:

The principal financiers of Permindex were a number of U. S. oil companies, H. L. Hunt of Dallas, Clint Murchison of Dallas, John DeMenil, Solidarist director of Houston, John Connally as executor of the Sid Richardson estate, Haliburton Oil Co., Senator Robert Kerr of Oklahoma, Troy Post of Dallas, Lloyd Cobb of New Orleans, Dr. Oschner of New Orleans, George and Herman Brown of Brown and Root, Houston, Attorney Roy M. Cohn, Chairman of the Board for Lionel Corporation, New York City, Schenley Industries of New York City, Walter Dohrnberger, ex-Nazi General and his company, Bell Aerospace, Pan American World Airways, its subsidiary, Intercontinental Hotel Corporation, Paul Raigorodsky of Dallas through his company, Claiborne Oil of New Orleans, Credit Suisse of Canada, Heineken's Brewery of Canada and a host of other munition makers and NASA contractors directed by the Defense Industrial Security Command.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#2160 Feb 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who attempts in ANY way to justify the horrific act of terrorism in Oklahoma City is an enemy of ALL Americans, including myself.
There were women and kids in that building, you terrorist POS. You deserve the same fate your hero McVeigh condemned them to.
Disgusting pig.
Don't bother attempting to educate an individual who is from Texas, thus inclined to protect that psychopath David Koresh (not his real name), and blame government.

Timothy McVeigh was also personal friends with Koresch, was at his compound 1 year before he set off the bombs in Oaklahoma City, and pictures of the two are easily obtained on the internet.

Anyone who justifies the acts of two - make that three (Weaver, Koresch, and McVeigh)psychotics by implying it's all the governments fault is likely to become the fourth case in a tragic history of radicals in America - which is exactly what DB sounds like more and more.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2161 Feb 6, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a very warped interpretation of historical facts. That guy was a nut - part of the Aryan Brotherhood, stockading mass amounts of weapons, and decided not to appear in court after selling two sawed off shotguns to ATF agents. Mishandled, yes - but who bought this upon himself? RANDY WEAVER!
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/in...
"Randy Weaver, a white separatist, had been targeted by the federal government after failing to appear in court to face charges related to his selling of two illegal sawed-off shotguns to an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) informant. On August 21, 1992, after a period of surveillance, U.S. marshals came upon Harrison; Weaver; Weaver's 14-year-old son, Sammy; and the family dog, Striker, on a road near the Weaver property. A marshal shot and killed the dog, prompting Sammy to fire at the marshal. In the ensuing gun battle, Sammy and U.S. Marshal Michael Degan were shot and killed. A tense standoff ensued, and on August 22 the FBI joined the marshals besieging Ruby Ridge.
...... end of Koresh's six-year-rule over the once benign Davidian sect, originally founded by an officially excommunicated Seventh Day Adventist named Victor Houteff who died in 1955. David Koresh was a man many mental health experts were inclined to describe as a likely "psychopath."
http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html
Don't use psychopaths as examples.
There are some technicalities that you got wrong. But, let's just go to the main points that ultimately were proved in court by Randy Weaver, and the courts found that Randy Weaver was acting legitimately, and the government was acting illegitimately.
You bgegin with a statement that is nothing more than part of the propaganda lies invented to cover up the Ruby Ridge event.
Prove the first statement:
"...part of the Aryan Brotherhood"
There was only one shotgun, and it wasn't sold. The undercover informant provided the shotgun, and he even provided the saw it was cut with. And, it is on recorded tape multiple times Randy Weaver telling the informant that what he wants done to the shotgun the informant brought to Randy Weaver's house was illegal, and multiple times Randy Weaver refuses to cut the barrel of the shotgun the informant brought to Randy Weaver's house.
After refusing multiple times, recorded and part of the evidence in the Congressional hearing, to cut the barrel, Randy Weaver finally gives in. The informant puts the saw the informant brought to Randy Weaver's house in Randy Weaver's hand, places the saw on the barrel of the shotgun he brought to Randy Weaver's house where he wants Randy Weaver to cut it, and Randy Weaver uses the saw the informant brought to cut the barrel of the shotgun the informant brought to Randy Weavers house, and the next thing you know Larry Potts is sending fraudulent information to the US Marshal's Office and the FBI to assist him in his illegal action.
You also forgot to mention that the courts found that Randy Weaver was acting legitimately.
Now, prove your propaganda lie you mindlessly throw in there:
"Randy Weaver, a white separatist...."
Prove this.
Now, go read the goddam Congressional Record to find out what really happened at Ruby Ridge.

And, you forgot to mention the evidence of a crime that justified the Waco action. Seems that might have been required, right?
By the way, please tell us what happened to the survivors afterward.
... this should be good.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2162 Feb 6, 2013
The CIA, the Bush Gang and the Death of Frank Olson
----------That thread fetched up briefly again earlier this month, then was buried, literally, in a Maryland grave. The family of Frank Olson laid his exhumed remains to rest, closing the book on their half-century of struggle to find out why he died so violently in the hands of the government he had served–and whose deepest secrets he had guarded.

Frank’s son, Eric, believes he knows the answer now: his father was murdered to keep the thread from sight, to "protect" the American people from the knowledge that their own government had taken up and extended Nazi experiments on mind control, psychological torture and chemical warfare–and that it was conducting these experiments as the Nazis did, on unwilling subjects, on captives and "expendables," even to the point of "termination."

What the hell is wrong over there at the CIA, he complained to his chief of staff, Donald Rumsfeld. Why couldn’t Bill Colby, the director, keep a lid on things? Colby had even come clean about Operation Phoenix, for Christ’s sake. More than 20,000 Vietnamese murdered in the CIA-run program–did Joe Lunchbucket really need to know about that?

What next? Are they going to find about Reinhard Gehlen, too: the Nazi spy who joined the CIA and recruited thousands of Hitler’s best and brightest–including Klaus Barbie and a cadre of SS veterans–to work for the Agency? Sure, it would look bad, but come on: Gehlen was championed by Allen Dulles himself–the founding father of the CIA, the hotshot lawyer who kept Prescott Bush’s name out of the papers when Pres was caught trading with the Nazis in 1942. Dulles and those Yale boys knew what was best–but try explaining that to some poor schmuck whose father got killed at Normandy or Auschwitz or some other godforsaken hole, eh?

As it happened, the "Gehlen Organization" stayed secret for another 26 years. But in July 1975, Ford had still more worries. A top White House aide, Dick Cheney, sent a memo to Rumsfeld, warning him about an upcoming lawsuit. The family of Frank Olson had found out–through the Congressional investigations–that he had been secretly drugged by the CIA not long before he took that fall from the hotel window. Now they were suing the government for damages.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#2163 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>

I believe if the Waco incident was an isolated incident of the government assassinating innocent Americans, then the OKC bombing would not have occurred. The OKC bombing occurred because of the perception that, because the government had repeatedly assassinated innocent Americans, the government had changed and become a government with a propensity to assassinate innocent Americans.
Ther eis much discussion about McVeigh, but no discussion about the BATF agent who used fraudulent evidence to assassinate innocent Americans. His name is Larry Potts.
Please include a statement about this Larry Potts in your next post.
A little morality question

Can there ever be a legitimate reason or even a mitigating fact that make McViegh understandable? A figure that you can empathize with?

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2164 Feb 6, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't bother attempting to educate an individual who is from Texas, thus inclined to protect that psychopath David Koresh (not his real name), and blame government.
Timothy McVeigh was also personal friends with Koresch, was at his compound 1 year before he set off the bombs in Oaklahoma City, and pictures of the two are easily obtained on the internet.
Anyone who justifies the acts of two - make that three (Weaver, Koresch, and McVeigh)psychotics by implying it's all the governments fault is likely to become the fourth case in a tragic history of radicals in America - which is exactly what DB sounds like more and more.
I understand, now. Everything in the Congressional Record is wrong, and the propaganda on the internet is correct.
Now I understand.
Thank you for enlightening me.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2165 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to mention that the "evidence" used to initiate the investigation was fraudulent, and there was no law broken that caused the initiation of the event.
And, your description is inconsistent with the factual account of the event.
And, obviously you never read the Congressional Record where that testimony was given. I'll help you. Here is the government's story.
The assault team turned in their assault rifles and were instructed to use their 9mm pistols to execute the assault.
The assault team entered the compound and were surrounded by occupants with automatic weapons (machine guns).
The occupants opened fire on the assault team with machine guns.
...EDITED....
That's all I needed to see - your admission that armed cultists opened fire on lawful government agents executing their duty.

The cultists all deserved to die - except for the non-combatants and kids, obviously, but they did that themselves.

Terrorist filth.

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