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Cutting help for the disabled is wrong response to fraud

There are 21 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 12, 2009, titled Cutting help for the disabled is wrong response to fraud. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

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human too

United States

#1 Feb 12, 2009
Vic Spadaccini, in defense of the current stimulus plan and critical of those who would criticize it, ends his letter by saying, "Quit debating about how to stop the bleeding and TRY SOMETHING while the patient is still alive." (emphasis mine).

Any first-aider will tell you that the words "try something" are very dangerous words. This is exactly the reason why debate is needed. If someone is lying by the side of the road in cardiac arrest, I sure hope nobody gets the bright idea to get out the jumper cables and have a go at defibrillation, on the grounds that he had to "try something." If somebody's lying on the ground, you don't grab them and shake them and holler, "Hey! Are you OK???" on the grounds that you had to "try something."

The point is that "cures," adopted in panic and haste, can kill, not cure, the patient.

To say nothing of the fact that this "stimulus" package is so pork-laden it could never be called "kosher."
donkeyman

Yuma, AZ

#2 Feb 12, 2009
its obamas fault

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#3 Feb 12, 2009
"The Arc of Minnesota" yet again another untouchable in the budget. No wonder our spending is out of control

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#4 Feb 12, 2009
"Minnesota Outdoor Heritage Alliance."
Ditto!
Fan of Common Sense

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Feb 12, 2009
human too wrote:
Vic Spadaccini, in defense of the current stimulus plan and critical of those who would criticize it, ends his letter by saying, "Quit debating about how to stop the bleeding and TRY SOMETHING while the patient is still alive." (emphasis mine).
Any first-aider will tell you that the words "try something" are very dangerous words. This is exactly the reason why debate is needed. If someone is lying by the side of the road in cardiac arrest, I sure hope nobody gets the bright idea to get out the jumper cables and have a go at defibrillation, on the grounds that he had to "try something." If somebody's lying on the ground, you don't grab them and shake them and holler, "Hey! Are you OK???" on the grounds that you had to "try something."
Uh ... you might want a better grasp of first aid before you use it as an argument. The VERY FIRST thing you should do if you encounter someone lying on the ground motionless is to try to get a response out of them, up to and including light shaking and saying loudly, "Hey, are you okay?" Whatever your position is on stimulus, your use of this argument could prevent someone from helping out another person in need of help. That's rather irresponsible, if you ask me.
Jump Start

Eau Claire, WI

#6 Feb 12, 2009
A really good way to get our country and economy going, and maintain its positive stance would be to spend as much or MORE on our gifted and able as we do on the handicapped and disabled. The severely disabled will always be a drain on our economy while our gifted are and will always be a plus if given advanced courses and learning oppurtunities. Allowing our gifted to drop out of our schools because they are bored is also abuse and discrimination.
Gndydncr

Fargo, ND

#7 Feb 12, 2009
Todd Peterson, Newport, says:"Government always has created wealth and jobs. Look at Halliburton; look at Raytheon. How about Blackwater Security? Plenty of jobs and wealth."

Wrong!

The government did not create the wealth. Haliburton, Raytheon, and Blackwater Security created the wealth by providing something that someone wanted. And if it weren't Haliburton, Raytheon and Blackwater Security creating the wealth, it would have been somebody else.

Buyers do not create wealth. Producers and providers do.
Gndydncr

Fargo, ND

#8 Feb 12, 2009
The contents of the letters headlinded "Bad Taste on a Billboard", "Require Ethics Classes", and "Hold Public Officials to Highest Standard" all seem to be symptoms of an ever increasing Liberal society.

Ain't it grand?
hmm

Honolulu, HI

#9 Feb 12, 2009
I don't believe in censorship, but you shouldn't be allowed to say that.
ranger1414

Madison, WI

#10 Feb 12, 2009
Sorry Todd Peterson the economy grew much faster in the 80's and 90's than the 50's - 70's. Look at the growth in GDP. What you fail to realize is that we aren't giving anything to anyone with tax cuts. We are allowing people to keep more of what they earn. We are giving to those on welfare, food stamps, housing assistance etc. They have produced and earned nothing and are simply parasites on the taxpayers. Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm sick of the productive members of society constantly supporting the unproductive. I see now Obama wants us productive members to subsidize the stupid and lazy's mortgages. Where does it end?
Stan

Minnetonka, MN

#11 Feb 12, 2009
ranger1414 wrote:
Sorry Todd Peterson the economy grew much faster in the 80's and 90's than the 50's - 70's. Look at the growth in GDP. What you fail to realize is that we aren't giving anything to anyone with tax cuts. We are allowing people to keep more of what they earn. We are giving to those on welfare, food stamps, housing assistance etc. They have produced and earned nothing and are simply parasites on the taxpayers. Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm sick of the productive members of society constantly supporting the unproductive. I see now Obama wants us productive members to subsidize the stupid and lazy's mortgages. Where does it end?
Jesus would want us to help the poor and sick. I guess you're just too selfish to get it. Or Minnesota Greedy.

Since: Mar 08

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#12 Feb 12, 2009
Stan wrote:
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Jesus would want us to help the poor and sick. I guess you're just too selfish to get it. Or Minnesota Greedy.
We have become a land of entitlements. Jesus would want us to help others become self sufficient, not dependent. Thomas Jefferson said "To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
human too

Chelsea, MI

#13 Feb 12, 2009
Stan wrote:
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Jesus would want us to help the poor and sick. I guess you're just too selfish to get it. Or Minnesota Greedy.
That's right-- Jesus wants YOU to help the poor and sick. I'm less sure what He would say about you confiscating money from other people so you can feel good about giving THEIR money to the poor and sick.
Gndydncr

Circle Pines, MN

#14 Feb 12, 2009
Stan wrote:
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Jesus would want us to help the poor and sick. I guess you're just too selfish to get it. Or Minnesota Greedy.
I guess you're just too envious to get it.
babewinkleman

Honolulu, HI

#15 Feb 12, 2009
Gndydncr wrote:
The contents of the letters headlinded "Bad Taste on a Billboard", "Require Ethics Classes", and "Hold Public Officials to Highest Standard" all seem to be symptoms of an ever increasing Liberal society.
Ain't it grand?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Nice cast! How long you wanna troll for?
Government Welfare

Eau Claire, WI

#16 Feb 13, 2009
Gndydncr wrote:
Todd Peterson, Newport, says:"Government always has created wealth and jobs. Look at Halliburton; look at Raytheon. How about Blackwater Security? Plenty of jobs and wealth."
Wrong!
The government did not create the wealth. Haliburton, Raytheon, and Blackwater Security created the wealth by providing something that someone wanted. And if it weren't Haliburton, Raytheon and Blackwater Security creating the wealth, it would have been somebody else.
Buyers do not create wealth. Producers and providers do.
This isn't wealth! It is government welfare!! Until Ronnie Reagan "cooked the books" all those who worked for the government were counted as being unemployed. Which is as it should be because they do not put any plusses on the countries balance sheet and detract from our economy rather than add to it.
donkeyman

Yuma, AZ

#17 Feb 13, 2009
this never would have hapened under bush.
The Avenger

Tomah, WI

#18 Feb 13, 2009
All of you that push for this spending bill are idiots. Spending won't do it. It's production baby, production. Something that we in the US have allowed to go elsewhere due to our wonderful unionss that can't compete with over 50% of the world. Get ready folks, we are on the tip of the crevasse and going over. We've tried spending our way our of problems for the last 80 years starting with the New Deal. Boy is that incorrectly named. All I've heard from Obama is a New Deal Type program. Apparently he has not studied History as the New Deal only prolonged the Great Depression and did nothing to get us out of it. Our lift from the Great Depression was a little footnote in History called WWII. Is that what the Great Savior Obama has in store next?
Sure

Eau Claire, WI

#19 Feb 13, 2009
The Avenger wrote:
All of you that push for this spending bill are idiots. Spending won't do it. It's production baby, production. Something that we in the US have allowed to go elsewhere due to our wonderful unionss that can't compete with over 50% of the world. Get ready folks, we are on the tip of the crevasse and going over. We've tried spending our way our of problems for the last 80 years starting with the New Deal. Boy is that incorrectly named. All I've heard from Obama is a New Deal Type program. Apparently he has not studied History as the New Deal only prolonged the Great Depression and did nothing to get us out of it. Our lift from the Great Depression was a little footnote in History called WWII. Is that what the Great Savior Obama has in store next?
Is that why we are still paying for World War II?? Your comment is baseless and devoid of reality. Our country is failing because the rich, the real Socialists of America, have taken and sold our infrastructure. Americans are still the most productive, work the most hours, with less pay, and no health insurance. In America we really have never fully gotten rid of slavery, it has just been made attractive, and necessary enough, that the SASHEEPLE just calmly fall in line. Another little interesting tidbit is that the Federal Reserve, a PRIVATE CORPORATION, is majority controlled by England and several of England's richest families. So in essence even the Revolutionary War was a sham that did not fully separate America from England.
Pim

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Feb 13, 2009
Gndydncr wrote:
Todd Peterson, Newport, says:"Government always has created wealth and jobs. Look at Halliburton; look at Raytheon. How about Blackwater Security? Plenty of jobs and wealth."
Wrong!
The government did not create the wealth. Haliburton, Raytheon, and Blackwater Security created the wealth by providing something that someone wanted. And if it weren't Haliburton, Raytheon and Blackwater Security creating the wealth, it would have been somebody else.
Buyers do not create wealth. Producers and providers do.
Wealth by defrauding the government...

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