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NATO says Macedonia's entry hinges on resolving name dispute

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Macedonia will be able to join NATO as soon as it resolves its long-standing name dispute with Greece, the Alliance's foreign ministers said on Wednesday.

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Nasty Anastasi

Walthamstow, UK

#1 Dec 3, 2008
THE END IS NEAR. THE VARDAR REPUBLIC IT IS.

NATO foreign ministers urged Macedonia on Wednesday (December 3rd) to step up its efforts towards resolving its 17-year-old name dispute with Greece in order to join the Alliance.

"We reiterate the agreement of heads of state and government at the Bucharest summit to extend an invitation to the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) as soon as a mutually acceptable solution to the name issue has been reached… and urge intensified efforts towards that goal," the ministers said.

Meanwhile, NATO "will continue to support and assist" the Macedonian government's reform efforts, the ministers also stressed in the final communiqué from their two-day meeting in Brussels.

Macedonia's NATO plans have stalled since the Alliance's Bucharest summit last April, when Greece vetoed a decision to invite the Balkan country to join, citing the unresolved name dispute. Greece fears recognition of the name Macedonia could encourage a territorial claim against its own province of Macedonia.

UN-mediated efforts to solve the name dispute intensified late last year. But numerous rounds of talks since have failed to produce a deal.

With no settlement in sight, Macedonia's foreign and defence ministers, Antonio Milososki and Zoran Konjanovski, have urged the Alliance to speed up their country's accession.

Macedonia's admission into the 26-nation bloc is "of extreme importance, not only for the future of our country but for the overall stability of the region," media reports Tuesday quoted the ministers as saying in a letter to NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer several days ago.

They, however, believed that "little has been done" since the Bucharest summit "to assess and address all the negative implications" from the decision to postpone a membership invitation.

Milososki and Konjanovski also reassured NATO that their country remains firmly committed to its entry bid, as it believes that "full Euro-Atlantic integration has no alternative".

“MAKEDONOMAXOS”

Since: Jan 08

ELLAS - MAKEDONIA

#2 Dec 3, 2008
Skops still bullshitting I see!!!

Haven't they filed with the Hague to do, nta nta to Greece?

What name negotiations???

They don't want to negotiate the name. They are in it too deep now... They've told their monkeys that their McSlavs and now you want them to take that back... Impossible...

As I said before. The reason for the Hague move is to get nocked on the head and kicked up the arse so they can point blame on Greece and the courts for changing their name...

I say that Ellas should just sit back and watch these guys fall to pieces...
Mr Stomone

Adelaide, Australia

#3 Dec 3, 2008
Well Macedonia will never join nato, becuase greeks think that they are right and the political actors in the country dont have the courage, the macedonia issue also distracts the working population of greece from their politions courption and eonomic management.
Fabian

Woodstock, Canada

#4 Dec 3, 2008
Mr Stomone wrote:
Well Macedonia will never join nato, becuase greeks think that they are right and the political actors in the country dont have the courage, the macedonia issue also distracts the working population of greece from their politions courption and eonomic management.
What are you trying to say? Brush up on your English and then make your comments.
Mr Stomone

Adelaide, Australia

#6 Dec 4, 2008
Fabian wrote:
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What are you trying to say? Brush up on your English and then make your comments.
what passport am i on know, im not in germeny now, you clown.

“NICE BOYs DONT PLAY ROCK&ROLL”

Since: Oct 07

Peiting/Obb.

#7 Dec 4, 2008
"I am from Macedonia and I won't define myself in any other way than being Macedonian, stressed Vice Premier responsible for EU affairs Ivica Bocevski, responding to a Greek MEP at a session of European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs."

Responding to MEP's remark that Macedonia should demonstrate greater willingness for compromise with regard to the name row, Bocevski said the country thus far had made several concessions on the matter.

- Macedonia has accepted to be called under an acronym, it was under economic blockades, changed its flag, the Constitution and in spite of all that Macedonia remains dedicated to the EU integration. One should ask which country is more willing to make a compromise and to make progress, said the Vice PM, who delivered an address on Tuesday before the Committee.

He noted the word consensus meant finding fair and mutually acceptable solution that wouldn't harm the country's identity.

- The Republic of Macedonia is fully committed to the EU integration process and the country has political and administrative capacity to kick off membership talks, stressed Bocevski.

German MEP Bernd Posselt had an opening statement on Macedonia's progress in the EU. He expressed his disappointment and disbelief by the way Macedonia had been treated by the European Union.

-I am not happy with the work of the European Council. If I were to summarize any activities I would say I am disappointed with three things. I strongly disagree with the European Council's report on Macedonia's election. In 99% of Macedonia's electoral voting places, the voting passed European standards, yet the country was given harsh report because of incidents among minorities in few tiny villages. Because of few villages we are punishing the whole country, says Bernd Posselt.

Posselt made a note on the way the European Union behaves towards the Macedonian Government. "An overwhelming majority of Macedonians and minorities support the Government, yet for any single individual from the opposition who boycotts parliament we go up in arms? Are we looking for something, anything to punish Macedonia?" asked Posselt.

The German MEP also expressed strong disagreement with the EC report on Macedonia's progress towards the EU. Bernd Posselt saw the progress as 'not realistic' and 'very harsh', adding that Macedonia is more fit to be a EU member than some current EU members. The leader of the Greens, Angelika Beer agreed with Posselt, accusing nationalistic Greece of causing problems in the region.

Slovenian MEP Jelko Kacin stated that EU had double standards given the fact that when it came to the status of any Western Balkans candidate country, deadlines were being set when something needed to be completed, whereas for Macedonia "it is impossible to set a date when something needs to start."

He stressed both Macedonia and Greece were very close to reaching a resolution, emphasizing that no one had the right to condition someone about his/hers national identity.

- When I talk about the language, I have the right for self-determination, when I talk about my affiliation I have the sole right to say who I am, what I am and how I feel. If someone wants to debate the name of my country that's fine, but the other two issues cannot be a subject of a debate, noted Kacin.

According to the MEP, a concrete date must be set for resolving the name dispute. He said that the best option was a date to be set by the three international subjects - the United Nations, EU and NATO, whereas the affected sides - Macedonia and Greece - to accept it, which is unlikely in near future.//12.03.08
Fabian

Woodstock, Canada

#9 Dec 4, 2008
Mr Stomone wrote:
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what passport am i on know, im not in germeny now, you clown.
Learn English - you make no sense.
Igor the Aztec

Athens, Greece

#10 Dec 4, 2008
Fabian wrote:
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Learn English - you make no sense.
Its the bulgar syntax you see

spartan lacedaemonian

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#11 Dec 4, 2008
LouWeed wrote:
"I am from Macedonia and I won't define myself in any other way than being Macedonian, stressed Vice Premier responsible for EU affairs Ivica Bocevski, responding to a Greek MEP at a session of European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs."
Responding to MEP's remark that Macedonia should demonstrate greater willingness for compromise with regard to the name row, Bocevski said the country thus far had made several concessions on the matter.
- Macedonia has accepted to be called under an acronym, it was under economic blockades, changed its flag, the Constitution and in spite of all that Macedonia remains dedicated to the EU integration. One should ask which country is more willing to make a compromise and to make progress, said the Vice PM, who delivered an address on Tuesday before the Committee.
He noted the word consensus meant finding fair and mutually acceptable solution that wouldn't harm the country's identity.
- The Republic of Macedonia is fully committed to the EU integration process and the country has political and administrative capacity to kick off membership talks, stressed Bocevski.
German MEP Bernd Posselt had an opening statement on Macedonia's progress in the EU. He expressed his disappointment and disbelief by the way Macedonia had been treated by the European Union.
-I am not happy with the work of the European Council. If I were to summarize any activities I would say I am disappointed with three things. I strongly disagree with the European Council's report on Macedonia's election. In 99% of Macedonia's electoral voting places, the voting passed European standards, yet the country was given harsh report because of incidents among minorities in few tiny villages. Because of few villages we are punishing the whole country, says Bernd Posselt.
Posselt made a note on the way the European Union behaves towards the Macedonian Government. "An overwhelming majority of Macedonians and minorities support the Government, yet for any single individual from the opposition who boycotts parliament we go up in arms? Are we looking for something, anything to punish Macedonia?" asked Posselt.
The German MEP also expressed strong disagreement with the EC report on Macedonia's progress towards the EU. Bernd Posselt saw the progress as 'not realistic' and 'very harsh', adding that Macedonia is more fit to be a EU member than some current EU members. The leader of the Greens, Angelika Beer agreed with Posselt, accusing nationalistic Greece of causing problems in the region.
Slovenian MEP Jelko Kacin stated that EU had double standards given the fact that when it came to the status of any Western Balkans candidate country, deadlines were being set when something needed to be completed, whereas for Macedonia "it is impossible to set a date when something needs to start."
He stressed both Macedonia and Greece were very close to reaching a resolution, emphasizing that no one had the right to condition someone about his/hers national identity.
- When I talk about the language, I have the right for self-determination, when I talk about my affiliation I have the sole right to say who I am, what I am and how I feel. If someone wants to debate the name of my country that's fine, but the other two issues cannot be a subject of a debate, noted Kacin.
According to the MEP, a concrete date must be set for resolving the name dispute. He said that the best option was a date to be set by the three international subjects - the United Nations, EU and NATO, whereas the affected sides - Macedonia and Greece - to accept it, which is unlikely in near future.//12.03.08
This Posselt should be there during the whole election process. It seems that those Germans are good only for tourists in Greece.
Fabian

Woodstock, Canada

#12 Dec 4, 2008
Igor the Aztec wrote:
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Its the bulgar syntax you see
Makes sense. Tks.

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#13 Dec 4, 2008
LouWeed wrote:
"I am from Macedonia and I won't define myself in any other way than being Macedonian, stressed Vice Premier responsible for EU affairs Ivica Bocevski, responding to a Greek MEP at a session of European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs."..........
Just like Alexander!

But he was proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World!

How about her?

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#14 Dec 4, 2008
LouWeed wrote:
..........
- When I talk about the language, I have the right for self-determination, when I talk about my affiliation I have the sole right to say who I am, what I am and how I feel..........
we Macedonians have the right to accept or reject any people who claim Macedonian. This is what self-determination right respect means.

Macedonian was and is a Greek dialect; this will not change because of some Titozombies who are artificially ashamed of their Bulgarian past and identity.

ENOUGH !!
menios

Thessaloníki, Greece

#15 Dec 4, 2008
Nasty Anastasi wrote:
THE END IS NEAR. THE VARDAR REPUBLIC IT IS.
NATO foreign ministers urged Macedonia on Wednesday (December 3rd) to step up its efforts towards resolving its 17-year-old name dispute with Greece in order to join the Alliance.
"We reiterate the agreement of heads of state and government at the Bucharest summit to extend an invitation to the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) as soon as a mutually acceptable solution to the name issue has been reached… and urge intensified efforts towards that goal," the ministers said.
Meanwhile, NATO "will continue to support and assist" the Macedonian government's reform efforts, the ministers also stressed in the final communiqué from their two-day meeting in Brussels.
Macedonia's NATO plans have stalled since the Alliance's Bucharest summit last April, when Greece vetoed a decision to invite the Balkan country to join, citing the unresolved name dispute. Greece fears recognition of the name Macedonia could encourage a territorial claim against its own province of Macedonia.
UN-mediated efforts to solve the name dispute intensified late last year. But numerous rounds of talks since have failed to produce a deal.
With no settlement in sight, Macedonia's foreign and defence ministers, Antonio Milososki and Zoran Konjanovski, have urged the Alliance to speed up their country's accession.
Macedonia's admission into the 26-nation bloc is "of extreme importance, not only for the future of our country but for the overall stability of the region," media reports Tuesday quoted the ministers as saying in a letter to NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer several days ago.
They, however, believed that "little has been done" since the Bucharest summit "to assess and address all the negative implications" from the decision to postpone a membership invitation.
Milososki and Konjanovski also reassured NATO that their country remains firmly committed to its entry bid, as it believes that "full Euro-Atlantic integration has no alternative".
the worse isnt for the NATO the worse is the same happend with EU. NO INVITATION . and each NO cost many years and send back this poor country to the 1992 .
Eni Macedonia

Athens, Greece

#16 Dec 4, 2008
Macedonia is allready in NATO as a Greek-Hellenic area.
FYROM is not and will be able to join NATO as soon as it resolves its long-standing name dispute with Greece.
possIdon 6943

Dracut, MA

#17 Dec 4, 2008
Eni Macedonia wrote:
Macedonia is allready in NATO as a Greek-Hellenic area.
FYROM is not and will be able to join NATO as soon as it resolves its long-standing name dispute with Greece.
>>> you right on ENI, YOU EQUAL to ALEXIA ! we deal w/ pigs heads ! ignore them just keep the fire on ! we hellenes are on your side, we proud of you! have nice holly days !...POSSIDON!!!
eshek eshekoglu

Hawthorne, NY

#18 Dec 4, 2008
this blows gruevski lawsuit out of the water
Just athought

Skopje, Macedonia

#19 Dec 6, 2008
How can there be Macedonians in Greece..? Greece is an ethnically pure country with only Greeks living there..

It is thrue that Macedonians have the right to stop people using their name, you just got your geography wrong... Macedonia borders Greece...

Gruevski's lawsuit cannot fail, the only failure is the Greeks compliance with the accord, in the eyes of the law rather than the eyes of the brain-washed peoples of the Hellenic Republic...

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#20 Dec 6, 2008
Just athought wrote:
How can there be Macedonians in Greece..?.......
Because Macedonians are Greeks:
Macedonian is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World, right?
Just athought

Skopje, Macedonia

#21 Dec 6, 2008
But even Greek intellectuals admit that only 55% of Macedonia is in Greece, therefore 45% of Macedonia... isn't.

In addition, does this mean that a portion of Bulgarians, in the Pirin region, are too Greek.? And that the entire population of your northern neighbour are Greek as well..? Not to mention the few hundred souls who live in Albanian Macedonia.

Intellectuals aside, your government suggests that Greece is an ethnically pure state (only Greeks). Now, either they are not telling the truth, or you are not. Either you are Greek, and renounce your claim to being Macedonian nationals, or you are Macedonian and therefore break Greek law by not being Greek, yet residing there.

What is it to be..?

You see, the rest of the world by and large adopted the principle of multi-culturalism, a concept that Greek politics and national identity has yet to embrace.

And if you are unsure of who you yourself really are, then why should the world listen to your opinions of how others should behave?

Once multi-culturalism has been accepted and good neighbourly relations established between Greece and all her neighbours, then it is difficult to accept the protestations from Greece about how individual neighbours should behave.
Just athought

Skopje, Macedonia

#22 Dec 6, 2008
And further, if only Macedonians can decide who is or isn't Macedonian, then surely the populations of these external to Greece regions have the same rights to be Macedonian as you claim exclusivity over...

Why is it that Greek Macedonians can claim to be Macedonian yet deny that right to others living in the same geographic region..? This doesn't sound very democratic to me, but then Democracy and Greece was a link broken a long time ago.

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