Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

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Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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Everett, WA

#948 Apr 16, 2013
Kary Mullis specialty was in biochemistry. He knows f@ckall about global warming. He has also dabbled quite a bit with LSD and other such mind altering substances. From the Wiki article about him:

"Mullis writes of having once spoken to a glowing green raccoon. Mullis arrived at his cabin in the woods of northern California around midnight one night in 1985, and, having turned on the lights and left sacks of groceries on the floor, set off for the outhouse with a flashlight. On the way, he saw something glowing under a fir tree. Shining the flashlight on this glow, it seemed to be a raccoon with little black eyes. The raccoon spoke, saying, "Good evening, doctor," and he replied with a "hello". Mullis later speculated that the raccoon "was some sort of holographic projection and… that multidimensional physics on a macroscopic scale may be responsible". Mullis denies LSD having anything at all to do with this.["

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis

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#949 Apr 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Kary Mullis specialty was in biochemistry. He knows f@ckall about global warming. He has also dabbled quite a bit with LSD and other such mind altering substances. From the Wiki article about him:
"Mullis writes of having once spoken to a glowing green raccoon. Mullis arrived at his cabin in the woods of northern California around midnight one night in 1985, and, having turned on the lights and left sacks of groceries on the floor, set off for the outhouse with a flashlight. On the way, he saw something glowing under a fir tree. Shining the flashlight on this glow, it seemed to be a raccoon with little black eyes. The raccoon spoke, saying, "Good evening, doctor," and he replied with a "hello". Mullis later speculated that the raccoon "was some sort of holographic projection and… that multidimensional physics on a macroscopic scale may be responsible". Mullis denies LSD having anything at all to do with this.["
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
But science is different than religious beliefs. There is no question that Mullis understands science. See, for example,
and http://everythingimportant.org/AZT/ . The second link has some very entertaining stuff.

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#950 Apr 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
"Mullis writes of having once spoken to a glowing green raccoon.
And I once had a vision about praising God in heaven. That or a vision of a glowing green raccoon isn't a rational rebuttal of anyone's scientific theories or political views.

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#951 Apr 17, 2013
Does it bother you that Svante Arrhenius, the discoverer of global warming theory, was a white supremacist who was a founder of The Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene?

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#952 Apr 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Does it bother you that Svante Arrhenius, the discoverer of global warming theory, was a white supremacist who was a founder of The Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene?
It doesn't bother me because the global warming alarm isn't science.

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#953 Apr 17, 2013
My point is, there a style of fiction that mitigates environment in unrealistic ways. Such as a time machine, mitigating causality; that's unrealistic for the reason of cause and effect. Doesn't stop time travel movies from large audiences, but few are very good.

Mitigating human genetics with eugenics was another brand of fiction. Unrealistic because of the ocean of blood that mitigation strategy created by genocide and because every human life is unique and valuable.

Now, we have climate change mitigation, implemented by government policy, new taxes, wasteful government spending and intrusive regulation over the fuel and energy you need or produce. All to restrict human CO2 emissions increase CO2 sinks. Unrealistic because their are no experimental tests, just as there are no backward traveling time machines. Climate change mitigation is a hoax and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience.

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#954 Apr 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Climate change mitigation is a hoax and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience.
I agree. But superficial minds will always uncritically accept propaganda over careful investigation.
everythingimportant.org/climategate

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#955 Apr 17, 2013
When will the Warmist society blame the Boston bombings on global warming? Just a matter of time.

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#956 Apr 17, 2013
The mindlessness of the Family Guy is responsible for the Boston bombing.

That has nothing to do with the global warming hoax.

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#958 Apr 18, 2013
There's a difference between these historic terrorist attacks and climate change mitigation, an unattended package is a real threat and carbon dioxide is a part of life.

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#959 Apr 18, 2013
Shubee wrote:
The mindlessness of the Family Guy is responsible for the Boston bombing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =viShy5Wvly8XX
That has nothing to do with the global warming hoax.
You are a total idiot who will buy into anything. That clip combined two unrelated episodes of Family Guy.

I guess lying is okay if it backs your side, huh Shoob. In a very similar way you like to lie for Jesus.

I did not think it was possible for you to stoop any lower and yet you managed to surprise me.

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#961 Apr 18, 2013
al gore wrote:
<quoted text>
I think al gore has all the answers. He told me all I need to know. Oh, I am a sheep.
Yes, anyone who has a user name like "al gore" would be a sheep. Personally I think the real Al Gore is a vial hypocrite. Unfortunately he is also right about AGW. You should grow up enough to know that a person can both be despicable and correct.

And what does Al Gore have to do with Shoob the total Boob's latest idiocy? Did you see how low he just went? He makes Al Gore look like a decent human being, and that takes some doing.

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#962 Apr 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
You are a total idiot who will buy into anything. That clip combined two unrelated episodes of Family Guy.
No, the two clips are related. Both scenes were from the same episode.

"Turban Cowboy" had scenes of an attempted bombing of a bridge in Quahog, the fictional Rhode Island town where the Griffin family lives in "Family Guy," and a flashback showing lead character Peter Griffin winning the Boston Marathon by mowing down all of his competitors in a car.

The two violent events were shown in different parts of the same episode.

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#963 Apr 20, 2013
Carbon taxes would suppress economic activity as much as CO2 emissions; I oppose cap and trade too. Abrogate climate treaties and agreements; get real.

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#964 Apr 23, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Is the issue Climate Change exists? You are an Alarmist. Who is saying the climate doesn't change and go through cycles? Now what do you say to the Scientists that say it's not caused by man? Yes the Scientists that are not on a Government payroll. Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes. And the Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences.
Have you EVER considered reading what you comment on? No I guess not.

I have supplied links to data validating my point

Brian and the other deniers have not.

What scientists, the general consensus of science is that it is amplified my man, read the past posts before opening you mouth and sticking your foot in it. Tell you what, because you are such a bone idle fool I’ll post a couple of links for you
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2006...

Or how do you feel about arguing with NASA
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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#965 Apr 23, 2013
There are still no experimental tests for climate change mitigation. That means, we're still arguing about a hoax.

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#966 Apr 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There are still no experimental tests for climate change mitigation. That means, we're still arguing about a hoax.
Nope it means that you are basing your argument on the fact that there are no “world scale” experimental tests

As you know there are hundreds/thousands of small scale experiments/test/simulations that you have been linked to and you have ignored and even denied exists but that’s a problem with your personality, not the various people who offered you the links

P.S. Do you have any info to suggest that NASA is in the habit of hoaxing?

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#967 Apr 23, 2013
Here's fodder for another round of climate change denial:

Global warming study suggests human causes dating back to 1800s

Darrell S. Kaufman / Northern Arizona University

By John Roach, Contributing Writer, NBC News

A long-term global cooling trend ended in the late 19th century, a reversal in temperature that cannot be explained by natural variability alone, according to a new study.

The finding stems from 2,000-year-long continental-scale temperature records inferred from tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other so-called proxies from around the world.

The records show variations in temperature caused by changes in Earth's orbit, output of solar energy, and volcanic eruptions, noted Nicholas McKay, a climate scientist at Northern Arizona University and study co-author. Volcanic eruptions, for example, inject particles in the atmosphere that reflect some of the solar radiation back out to space.

"The 18th and 19th centuries would probably have been colder than the 20th century no matter what just because there has been a bit less volcanism in this century, but the amount of warming we've seen is extremely unlikely to have happened solely due to natural processes," he told NBC News.

In fact, he and colleagues note in the study — published Sunday in Nature Geoscience — that the natural factors that drove the Earth's long-term cooling are still present today, despite the fact that we are in a period of rising global temperatures.

The record is consistent with other recent temperature reconstructions that show the reversal in long-term cooling coinciding with the acceleration of greenhouse gas emissions from human activity during the industrial revolution at the end of the 19th century.

Gerald North, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University, told NBC News in an email that the new study seems to fit the emerging consensus of a gradual cooling of the past 1,000 to 2,000 years followed by "an abrupt warming since 1900."

"Each year we have more evidence corroborating these same findings," he said. "It is 15 years since the first paper ... known as the 'hockey stick' paper. We have no credible evidence that they got it wrong."

The researcher behind the iconic 1999 "hockey stick" graph, Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann, was not part of the new study, but he told NBC News in an emailed statement that the work of McKay and his team "adds to the growing body of scientific evidence that the recent warming is likely unprecedented even further back in time."

Mann added, "While the study doesn't attribute causality to the warming, there is an extensive body of research that shows that we can only explain the anomalous recent warming with human impacts, i.e. burning of fossil fuels and resulting increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

One distinguishing feature of the new study, noted McKay, is that it highlights variability in temperature around the globe at any one time. For example, a rise in temperatures known as the Medieval Warm Period followed by cooling during the Little Ice Age was pronounced in Europe and North America, less so in the Southern Hemisphere, he said.

While the paper isn't the first to look at regional climate reconstructions, it is the first so well organized, noted David Anderson, a paleoclimatologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center. And, collectively, the regions show the end to the cooling trend on a global scale. "It is truly no debate," he told NBC News.

The ability to see the regional variability in response to forces on the global climate — from human burning of fossil fuels to volcanic eruptions — will be increasingly important as humans try to mitigate and adapt to future climate change, McKay added.

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/22/1...

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Elk Grove, CA

#968 Apr 23, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you EVER considered reading what you comment on? No I guess not.
I have supplied links to data validating my point
Brian and the other deniers have not.
What scientists, the general consensus of science is that it is amplified my man, read the past posts before opening you mouth and sticking your foot in it. Tell you what, because you are such a bone idle fool I’ll post a couple of links for you
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2006...
Or how do you feel about arguing with NASA
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Written by Gregg Easterbrook is an American writer, lecturer, and a senior editor of The New Republic. 7 years ago, sounds like Gore, let's not debate this. easterbrook was big on cutting the space program, and writes books, he is all about the money. NASA has been turned into a Government scare tank due to it's funding.

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#969 Apr 23, 2013

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