Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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PHD

Cibolo, TX

#466 Mar 2, 2013
Well look at that the fairy lame has the nut jobs on its side.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#467 Mar 2, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Well brian, you've got the creationist on your side. What a surprise!
Thanks, Fair Game, I sympathize with your creationist leanings. The thing is, creationism introduces an extra and unnecessary variable that can't be isolated by any experiment; that's what makes it pseudoscience. Kind of like climate change mitigation.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#468 Mar 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Yes they do exists and saying they do not exist when you don’t want them to is just deliberate ignorance on a grand scale, particularly when the evidence of their existence is so easy to prove. And whats more you admit they exist half of the time
What is so funny is that you actually don’t seem to comprehend that you are contradicting yourself, making yourself look stupid and making a fool of yourself.
A Google scholar articles search for “experimental test of climate change mitigation”(your words exactly) brings up 31,400 results today.
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...
In the first page alone 50% of them are reports of precisely what you say do not exist. Do the exact same search on Google proper and you end up with over 1.5 million results,
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=ps...
Where 70% of the first page are links to what you say does not exist.
I am not the first one to point this out to you and if you keep on with your delusional denial then I am sure I won’t be the last. The documents exist, there is no doubt, there is actual physical evidence in the public domain, just as there is now no doubt that human intervention has accelerated climate change, it is fact.
It has gone way past both sides and you are left behind with the dinosaurs. It’s rather like the debates on teaching ID guesswork and the biblical fallacy of goddidit as science. Why are you so eager to have disproven garbage taught to children, are you that keen to limit the education of our future?
Sure, Use the history lessons to teach the fact that there were some people who contradict the current overwhelming evidence but they are now in a such a minority that their unproven and unethical self serving hype is irrelevant
Congratulation, ChristineM has found a search string. That's a wonderful accomplishment, I'm so proud.

Now, please cite any experimental test of climate change mitigation that you find compelling. Let's see if climate change mitigation can cause more good than harm.

I'll wait here.

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#469 Mar 2, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Well brian, you've got the creationist on your side. What a surprise!
I'm all for science wherever it is found. And CO2 alarmism isn't science. But there isn't any need for you to be alarmed anyway. I'm still for increasing the biomass of the planet as if you really cared about the most practical solution to increases of atmospheric CO2.

Since: Nov 08

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#470 Mar 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, Fair Game, I sympathize with your creationist leanings. The thing is, creationism introduces an extra and unnecessary variable that can't be isolated by any experiment; that's what makes it pseudoscience. Kind of like climate change mitigation.
Quantum creationism doesn't presuppose the existence of a creator. I certainly agree with you that requiring an unnecessary variable like God isn't science.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#471 Mar 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Congratulation, ChristineM has found a search string. That's a wonderful accomplishment, I'm so proud.
Now, please cite any experimental test of climate change mitigation that you find compelling. Let's see if climate change mitigation can cause more good than harm.
I'll wait here.
Why is it that idiots like you are too bone idle (or ignorant) to bother educating themselves?

Why is it that idiots like you are too bone idle (or ignorant) to bother clicking a link?

What is so scary about clicking a link, what is so scary about educating yourself, is it that such action will show you to be a deliberately ignorant moron and so you choose to ignore it in the hope that it will go away.

There are THOUSANDS of such experiments listed under that link, each and every one will prove you are a lying moron because you have not got the balls to contradict all of them with lies.

You can wait as long as you like, I am not here to teach you, that is your job but if you want to remain ignorant all your life that’s your prerogative. However don’t go trying to shift the blame for your deliberate ignorance onto me. Just be a man for once in your life.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#472 Mar 4, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum creationism doesn't presuppose the existence of a creator. I certainly agree with you that requiring an unnecessary variable like God isn't science.
Nah, it just presupposes everything in the Bible magically poofed just like it and Ellen White said it did.

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#473 Mar 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Nah, it just presupposes everything in the Bible magically poofed just like it and Ellen White said it did.
But what's the difference between the miracles of Scripture and the miracles permitted in statistical mechanics and quantum theory? Hint: there is no difference.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#474 Mar 4, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>But what's the difference between the miracles of Scripture and the miracles permitted in statistical mechanics and quantum theory? Hint: there is no difference.
the miracles of the scripture are myth, quantuum mechanics ae reproduceable and verifiable.

hint: huge difference. all the difference in the real world, actually.

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#475 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the miracles of the scripture are myth, quantuum mechanics ae reproduceable and verifiable.
hint: huge difference. all the difference in the real world, actually.
You obviously don't know the first thing about statistical mechanics and quantum theory.

Here's a famous first lesson for beginners (I recommend that you try to understand it):

"A philosopher once said,'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results.' Well they don't!" —Richard P. Feynman (1965)
everythingimportant.org/naturalism

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#476 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously don't know the first thing about statistical mechanics and quantum theory.
Here's a famous first lesson for beginners (I recommend that you try to understand it):
"A philosopher once said,'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results.' Well they don't!" —Richard P. Feynman (1965)
everythingimportant.org/naturalism
Not much, honestly. iknow there isn't one shred of evidence of any miracle, magic, or anything supernatural since the beginning of written history...not one. not even a rabbit out of Bullwinkles hat...

no evidence of any god, gods or goddesses.. none.

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#477 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
there isn't one shred of evidence of any miracle, magic, or anything supernatural
Quantum theory is the physics of things that happen for no reason whatsoever. How is that not supernatural?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#478 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum theory is the physics of things that happen for no reason whatsoever. How is that not supernatural?
Seems like the laws of nature, not supernaturla, doesn't it?

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#479 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Seems like the laws of nature, not supernaturla, doesn't it?
Not exactly. For a law to say that nature acts unpredictably clearly fits the definition of supernatural.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#480 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Not exactly. For a law to say that nature acts unpredictably clearly fits the definition of supernatural.
nature is supernatural? surely you jest.

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#481 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nature is supernatural? surely you jest.
I didn't say that nature is supernatural. But I am on record saying that spontaneous quantum creationism is so mainstream in modern physics that it is now even acknowledged to be real science in the popular culture.
everythingimportant.org/naturalism/

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#482 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say that nature is supernatural. But I am on record saying that spontaneous quantum creationism is so mainstream in modern physics that it is now even acknowledged to be real science in the popular culture.
everythingimportant.org/naturalism/
yes you, in fact did say that...

Since: Nov 08

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#483 Mar 5, 2013
I stand behind this quote:

Conclusion: Quantum theory has an obvious supernatural interpretation and no interpretations consistent with naturalism.

The World English Dictionary
supernatural
— adj
1. of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws
2. characteristic of or caused by or as if by a god; miraculous
3. of, involving, or ascribed to occult beings
4. exceeding the ordinary; abnormal

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#484 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
I stand behind this quote:
Conclusion: Quantum theory has an obvious supernatural interpretation and no interpretations consistent with naturalism.
The World English Dictionary
supernatural
— adj
1. of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws
2. characteristic of or caused by or as if by a god; miraculous
3. of, involving, or ascribed to occult beings
4. exceeding the ordinary; abnormal
yet you said it is the natural law that makes it so. obviously it is not supernatural.

you aren't too quick are you?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#485 Mar 6, 2013
Shubee wrote:
I stand behind this quote:
Conclusion: Quantum theory has an obvious supernatural interpretation and no interpretations consistent with naturalism.
The World English Dictionary
supernatural
— adj
1. of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws
2. characteristic of or caused by or as if by a god; miraculous
3. of, involving, or ascribed to occult beings
4. exceeding the ordinary; abnormal
Funny that, I have just searched for that “quote” and the ONLY occurrence of it in google is your everthingimportant godbot site. So not really a quote at all but something cobbled together by a seventh day adventist with an axe of denial to grind and there is no right of peer review. No wonder you did not cite the quoter.

No, quantum theory/mechanics does not have any such “obvious” supernatural interpretation except to godbots who need a supernatural interpretation. Just because as a godbot you don’t understand quantum mechanics does not make it god magic. Never mind what your preacher and your built on ignorance godbot site says, try asking someone who knows, a particle physicist or quantum physicist what they understand about quantum theory.

thefreedictionary.com
quantum mechanics
A fundamental theory of matter and energy that explains facts that previous physical theories were unable to account for, in particular the fact that energy is absorbed and released in small, discrete quantities (quanta), and that all matter displays both wavelike and particle like properties, especially when viewed at atomic and subatomic scales. Quantum mechanics suggests that the behavior of matter and energy is inherently probabilistic and that the effect of the observer on the physical system being observed must be understood as a part of that system. Also called quantum physics, quantum theory

See perfectly understood

Quantum mechanics is a fairly new branch of scientific investigation and one of the hardest to study, you have to create new science just to see its effects. True the ideas do not makes sense using the accepted laws of the universe, all that means is that we don’t know all the laws. However some of those laws that were unknown only 2, 5 or 10 years ago are now known.

Quarks, leptons, gauge bosons etc were just ideas not many years ago, now their structure is for the most part understood and their action can be observed. In the last few months the probability of the missing particle, the “Higgs boson” has shot from the purely theoretical “it must exists otherwise the rest does not make sense” to 99.999% sure of existence. Exciting and frenetic times in the science of quantum mechanics.

Mathematics have been created to model observed behaviour and even unobserved behaviour bases on start and end parameters. See Dr Param Singh’s work, his maths is helping solve the problems of quantum infinities of singularities or if you really want to screw you mind try the one particle theory of Dr John Archibald Wheeler, it’s beautifully simple.

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