Guest opinion: Climate change absent in debates

Nov 2, 2012 Full story: The News-Press 22

In 2002, following the release of numerous studies and on the heels of Al Gore's documentary 'An Inconvenient Truth,' there was broad consensus in the electorate and in Congress that global warming posed a significant threat to our environment and that action was needed to reduce greenhouse emissions.

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SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#1 Nov 2, 2012
Yeah, that was before Hurricane Sandy. Even talk show hosts are talking about the man-made global climate change in the aftermath.

http://pangea.stanford.edu/~jshragge/OilWar/J...
Occupy this

San Jose, CA

#2 Nov 2, 2012
Climate change was absent from the debates because it's a fraud.

American - and the world - remember climate gate. Thousands of emails between liberal, America-hating climatologists fudging the data and instructing each other to essentially and deliberately lie in order to fabricate a man made, climate crisis.

The repeated attempts to revive the dead lie is insulting to the collective intelligence of the American people. The American people did vote for Obama of course, but still... LOL
Occupy this

San Jose, CA

#3 Nov 2, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Yeah, that was before Hurricane Sandy. Even talk show hosts are talking about the man-made global climate change in the aftermath.
http://pangea.stanford.edu/~jshragge/OilWar/J...
Even talk show hosts are taking about it? WOW! That must mean it's true!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#4 Nov 2, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Yeah, that was before Hurricane Sandy. Even talk show hosts are talking about the man-made global climate change in the aftermath.
http://pangea.stanford.edu/~jshragge/OilWar/J...
Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Mankind is responsible for global warming on Earth.

How in Hell do you explain the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting? Did we do that?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#5 Nov 2, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Mankind is responsible for global warming on Earth.
How in Hell do you explain the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting? Did we do that?
Yes.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warmin...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#7 Nov 3, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
You mean no, we are not causing global warming on Mars. For that matter, there is no proof (as evidenced by the reference) that Mars IS warming. It is certainly changing seasonally (due to long term orbital eccentricity, but that is to be expected. And we know the sun is not causing any warming other than by orbital changes because we MEASURE the sun, and it isn't changing significantly enough to cause a change in Martian climate.
PHD

Overton, TX

#8 Nov 3, 2012
Martian climate would indicate that there is some sort of being there. Do show us one.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#9 Nov 3, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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You mean no, we are not causing global warming on Mars. For that matter, there is no proof (as evidenced by the reference) that Mars IS warming. It is certainly changing seasonally (due to long term orbital eccentricity, but that is to be expected. And we know the sun is not causing any warming other than by orbital changes because we MEASURE the sun, and it isn't changing significantly enough to cause a change in Martian climate.
I mean yes we can explain it.
PHD

Overton, TX

#10 Nov 3, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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I mean yes we can explain it.
How about that picture of the Martian.
PHD

Overton, TX

#11 Nov 3, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Mankind is responsible for global warming on Earth.
How in Hell do you explain the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting? Did we do that?
Must be the Martians living there.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#12 Nov 3, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>How about that picture of the Martian.
Very similar.

From once angle, it looks like a face; from another, a pile of rock.

The "melting icecaps" are also people seeing something that's not there in a fleeting observation; take another look and it's a sandstorm.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#13 Nov 3, 2012
Occupy this wrote:
<quoted text>
Even talk show hosts are taking about it? WOW! That must mean it's true!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Seriously? Yes, it's true.

I guess you could not follow the graph I linked. Try it for evidence.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#14 Nov 3, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Mankind is responsible for global warming on Earth.
How in Hell do you explain the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting? Did we do that?
Just for a moment, let's assume you read and watched the link provided kindly by Fair Game.

Newly-convinced, you're not posting more denier claims anymore.

Any question?

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#15 Nov 3, 2012
pacific very cool in 50s, atlantic very warm. same this year. bad hurricanes both years.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#16 Nov 3, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Just for a moment, let's assume you read and watched the link provided kindly by Fair Game.
Newly-convinced, you're not posting more denier claims anymore.
Any question?
I didn't follow the link.

Unlike many of you, I don't spend all my time on here.
Echo

United States

#17 Nov 3, 2012
Global Warming seems like more of a Global Hoax. Cherry picked data points sprinkled on top of a mountain of theories cobbled together by some genuinely gifted grant application authors. Though the "carbon footprint" scam being used to generate revenue was true genius. You can find as many "scientists" that disagree with the theory as you do those who agree with the theory. The result? Job security for both sides - certainly if there is disagreement we must have more grant money to more thoroughly study the issue further. Each side holds up their end of the bargain and you and I pay the taxes that finance it all. The ultimate grant writer's hoax. Cha-Ching!
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#18 Nov 3, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
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I didn't follow the link.
Unlike many of you, I don't spend all my time on here.
Too bad.

We could use some rational posters here. Lying deniers live, sleep, eat here.

Just look at their # posted.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#19 Nov 3, 2012
Correction: I was thinking of b-g, minus one, tina. They are not in this thread. Because they are [allegedly] paid posters, they are keeping a depressed profile during this time.

Partially, I presume, due to budget cuts they lost their big mouths like gordy.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#20 Nov 3, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad.
We could use some rational posters here. Lying deniers live, sleep, eat here.
Just look at their # posted.
I've noticed that a lot of them have posted more in 4 months than I've posted in as many years.

I'm more apt to post in the Offbeat and Political sections than others.

47 years of adult living in Illinois, most of those in the UAW and IAM left me with a strong distaste for Democrats, Liberals and especially Chicago politicians.

I retired to a more conservative part of the country where the Constitution still holds sway and I never hesitate to stick that thorn in someone's side.

As for the subject of this thread, hard to deny that the climate is changing. Does the global warming pose a threat? Of course. Do I think Mankind is wholly responsible? Absolutely not. Too much fossil evidence to the contrary.

Can we do anything about it? I doubt anything we do in the next 100 years will have much of an impact. Certainly throwing tax payer dollars at so called "green" companies that immediately go bankrupt after receiving stimulus money isn't the answer.

Look around. People are lining up to spend a week's paycheck on the latest tech gadget to come down the line. You think they are going to give up their iPads, iPhones, Galaxy tablets, et al, so that maybe, just maybe, their great-grandchildren might not have to freeze to death, or spend two thirds of their income on taxes to reduce the national debt? Hardly.

Last election people lined up for Obama because they thought he was going to put gas in their cars and make their mortgage payment.(Don't laugh. I can easily prove it.) Sadly enough, a lot of them are still believing those empty promises, which, if you care to compare, are nearly word for word what was offered up 4 years ago.

I was old enough to vote in Illinois before Obama was born. I missed a couple of elections when I was overseas in the service. I know Obama's record in Illinois. I have a list of every bill he voted on and how he voted. Based on that, and nothing else, I'd vote for Jeb Bush, or Jimmy Carter, before I'd vote for Obama.

So.... I think I've covered all the relevant topics, without frothing too much at the mouth or hurling insults.
PHD

Overton, TX

#21 Nov 4, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Correction: I was thinking of b-g, minus one, tina. They are not in this thread. Because they are [allegedly] paid posters, they are keeping a depressed profile during this time.
Partially, I presume, due to budget cuts they lost their big mouths like gordy.
And than there is the motineatin or is it mothra? No budget cuts for them just free entitlements.

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