Bon Jovi: Glad to help

Bon Jovi: Glad to help

There are 57 comments on the Green Bay Press-Gazette story from Mar 1, 2013, titled Bon Jovi: Glad to help. In it, Green Bay Press-Gazette reports that:

On a new song called "What's Left of Me," one of the world's biggest rock stars channels the voices of a farmer, a factory worker, a military veteran, even an unsuccessful musician -- ordinary folks, all struggling to adapt to changing circumstances in our country.

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Since: Jun 11

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#41 Mar 7, 2013
lisa wrote:
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First of all,“we all did just as much”? Really? You fed 600 people a day? Well then I applaud you.
If you watched that spot on Katie Couric’s show and felt that he was bragging about what they were doing, you’re a very sad, cynical individual. Do you honestly feel there was any party of that interview that was bragging or do you just hate Jon and this is the currently convenient thing for you to complain about?
She just hates Jon. Simply as that. No matter what he does, she will not agree with but that is her choice. You can pull out facts and figures, whatever, it will make no difference.
callmewhatyouwan t

Toms River, NJ

#42 Mar 9, 2013
The fact is that regardless of how many good things he does he lives in a town where parts of it were devastated by Hurricane Sandy.

http://www.google.com/search...

The guy is worth 125 million dollars and he has a few honey bee hives on some of the most expensive waterfront real estate in New Jersey so that he can use a tax loophole to avoid paying tens of thousands of dollars every year in local taxes.

Just because you like his music and he has done other charitable things does not make this right.

Don't blame his "astute" accountants, and don't blame an outdated law, and don't blame me because I didn't have a law changed. How many laws have you changed recently? The legislature is working on revising the farm tax law specifically to make it more difficult for people like Bon Jovi to claim that their palatial estates are farms.

Just blame Bon Jovi for not doing the right thing.

Stop making excuses for this guy.

All of the residents of Middletown are going to see a tax increase because of Sandy. I am not asking him to be charitable. I am asking him to pay his fair share of local taxes, that's all.
galer

Washington, DC

#43 Mar 9, 2013
callmewhatyouwant wrote:
The fact is that regardless of how many good things he does he lives in a town where parts of it were devastated by Hurricane Sandy.
http://www.google.com/search...
The guy is worth 125 million dollars and he has a few honey bee hives on some of the most expensive waterfront real estate in New Jersey so that he can use a tax loophole to avoid paying tens of thousands of dollars every year in local taxes.
Just because you like his music and he has done other charitable things does not make this right.
Don't blame his "astute" accountants, and don't blame an outdated law, and don't blame me because I didn't have a law changed. How many laws have you changed recently? The legislature is working on revising the farm tax law specifically to make it more difficult for people like Bon Jovi to claim that their palatial estates are farms.
Just blame Bon Jovi for not doing the right thing.
Stop making excuses for this guy.
All of the residents of Middletown are going to see a tax increase because of Sandy. I am not asking him to be charitable. I am asking him to pay his fair share of local taxes, that's all.
You sound like he doesn't pay any real estate taxes at all. It's only the 6+ acres for the bees. Hell he gives so much more than what those taxes would be. So STFU and get over it! Until the laws change, you can't do anything about it.
Dorothy2

Haledon, NJ

#44 Mar 9, 2013
Jon does not do anything unless there r cameras around!

Since: Jan 09

New Jersey

#45 Mar 9, 2013
Dorothy2 wrote:
Jon does not do anything unless there r cameras around!
NOT TRUE!!! He was in my neighborhood after the storm and there were no photographers/press or video.

The hate here anymore is very distrubing to say the least.
callmewhatyouwan t

Toms River, NJ

#46 Mar 10, 2013
"You sound like he doesn't pay any real estate taxes at all. It's only the 6+ acres for the bees. Hell he gives so much more than what those taxes would be. So STFU and get over it! Until the laws change, you can't do anything about it."

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I could go on a local forum for the town that I live in and comment about about one of our residents that is using a loophole in the tax system which is costing the people of my town tens of thousands of dollars a year without someone telling me to STFU.

Only 6+ acres?

You are kidding right? It is 6+ acres of some of the most expensive real estate in New Jersey and possibly the entire country.

We have people in this town, Bon Jovi's town, that had houses on 25' X 50' lots who had their houses destroyed by Hurricane Sandy. We have hundreds of homeless students in our school district because of Hurricane Sandy.These people cannot afford to rebuild their homes because the new FEMA flood maps say they must raise the house 10 feet or more. The township will not allow these people to rebuild their homes unless they raise them.

Even people who had flood insurance cannot afford to move back into their houses.

Flood insurance will not cover the cost to raise the home. They have been living in temporary housing that insurance no longer pays for. Or they have been relying on the kindness of friends and family for a roof over their heads.

These people are still responsible for paying their municipal taxes on property that they can't live on and you are telling me to shut up about a man who is worth 125 million dollars who is cheating his neighbors by using a tax loophole to save what to him is pocket change.

He probably pays less in taxes on his six plus waterfront acres than these people pay for property they can't live on.

And you want me to shut up?

No, I won't.

You can rightfully praise Bon Jovi for all the good things that he does and he should be proud of himself for doing those things.

But this is a disgrace and he should be ashamed of himself for taking advantage of a flawed system at the expense of his neighbors.

Since: Jan 09

New Jersey

#47 Mar 10, 2013
It is called an appeal. I would have hoped these people your talking about filed a extensive damage form with the tax office so that they can get a reduction in their taxes, while they are waiting to rebuild/fix or whatever they choose to do. Jon paying more city taxes is not going to help the people of Middletown. City funding can not go to helping rebuild on private property. The homeless school children your talking homeless or displaced? Big difference. If there are people still homeless why are they not using FEMA trailers. There are plenty of ball fields to put trailers on in town.

Not sure how this is showing up in a local forum for Middletown but this is also showing up in a Bon Jovi Fan Forum.

I believe in paying for service provided but how about dropping the school tax from everyone who doesn't use the school system? No that would be fair.
Callmewhatyouwan t

Beach Haven, NJ

#48 Mar 11, 2013
"It is called an appeal. "

You are correct, they can file an appeal and they can have the portion of their taxes attributed to their damaged homes reduced. The portion of their taxes for the property itself will not change. They still will have to pay 100% of the taxes due on the property. Unlike Bon Jovi, who because he has some honey bees, will only pay 2% of the actual property tax for his 6 acres of waterfront property.

"while they are waiting to rebuild/fix"

Many cannot rebuild or fix, it is not an option, they are either selling the property "as is" or if they are upside down on their mortgages they are simply abandoning their homes.

"Jon paying more city taxes is not going to help the people of Middletown"

That is ridiculous. When the revenue from ratables are reduced and the town receives less tax money, either because of storm damage or residents abusing the tax code, the burden is shared by all of the populace because the tax rate on everyone is increased to fund the budget.
They are categorized by the school system as "homeless" and we are going to other nearby towns and bussing these children to their schools so that they can finish the year where they started.

"why are they not using FEMA trailers?"

FEMA received 20,000 request for housing assistance in our county alone(Monmouth), there are not enough trailers.

"how about dropping the school tax from everyone who doesn't use the school system?"

The fact is that everyone in town benefits from having a good school system, not just the parents with students. Aside from having well educated residents, property values are tied directly to the quality of the education provided by a school district. Better school system means more parents want to send their kids to school there. Supply and demand, house values increase.

And lastly, Topix puts posts into related forums. Because Bon Jovi lives in Middletown it is in our forum too. I didn't realize that until you mentioned it but that explains why there are so many defending what a lot of people here believe is an abuse of the tax code. You guys love his music so you are willing to overlook his shortcomings.

Since: Jan 09

New Jersey

#49 Mar 11, 2013
If a property has a destroyed home that is not livable the appeal will apply to land also, esp. neighboring properties are also damaged. It is not Jon's fault if people are upside down with their mortgages or can't rebuild. Many were upside down before the storm. The value of the land also goes down if the house needs to be raised etc because of living in a flood zone . Many of these areas flooded on a regular basis prior to Sandy.

No one is abusing the tax code. They are using a tax code as it is currently written. It is a legal farm that produces a product that is sold to the public. The area is zoned for building lots to be 5 acres. How would the town react to Jon trying to subdivide his land? Oh that is right they want the open spaces to be paid by private citizens. Just like the town putting deed restrictions on Max Weinberg. Some could argue that it is the town by restricting deeds and not allowing/fighting subdivision and putting a 5 acres building zone requirement on the river is unfair treatment and discriminatory. No other area of town has a 5 acre minimum building lot requirement. Jon pays 227,820 in property taxes a year.

Because the school system categorizes children as "homeless" does not mean they are without a home, roof over their head. The children have been displaced by the storm. It is offensive to call children homeless when they clearly are not.
Yes there were 20K requests for housing assistance but all did not qualify for assistance. It is also being investigated for abuses for those who took assistance and continued to live in their home/on friends' couches/etc and did not seek a rental unit but took the money. More trailers could be brought in if needed but, there were 400 rental properties available at the beginning of Jan in Monmouth County going unused.

One person's good school system is a joke to another. More like the propaganda a school board can put out about how great they are and what they can keep out of the press is tied to property taxes. How much has Middletown covered up that goes on at South? Good school system, try again.

I am not overlooking anything, just looking at it differently.
Kristin

Warwick, RI

#50 Mar 11, 2013
While I agree that a good deed is a good deed done regardless of the motivation behind it, I agree that I would find Jons works more "selfless" if they were done unpublicized and with HIS money rather than him often taking personal credit for what is often accomplished with fan club funding. I am much more impressed by the fruequent altruistic projects Richie Sambora silently performs without mention or camera presence. To me THAT is a measure of character, not narcissism.

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Nofanofjbj wrote:
There is nothing wrong with someone doing honest work for something in return I agree with that. But neither Jon nor Dorothea came up with this idea. Jon probably read Jon steinbeck, ha. However, talk about getting on a soap box. This is and always will be Jon. Its all about him. If he had some class to him he wouldnt even mention it but thats all he does. He uses people and situations to make himself look better. People who dont live here have not a clue what this county has or doesnt have as far as resources or who hel lp s. Seriously, you think Jon is like some God here. Far from it. Nourishing their minds? What do you, these people dont know that their poor? They dont need some snotty rich socialistic elitist reminding them. Jon is nothing to people around here thats why he tries to convince everyone else out there that he is. There are far more here wno give much more for a lot longer than him. Spare me, I dont agree with Bruces political views but at least he has some class to him. Lets see what other books Jon and Dorothea read in the future. Oh what will they bring us next. "please sir, may I have some more."

Since: Feb 07

Guelph, Canada

#52 Mar 11, 2013
JMO but any celebrity who is involved with any type of fund raising event or foundation in any way...whether their own or as a spokesperson...needs to shout about it loud and often. The more publicity/press, the more awareness is created, the more funds are raised, the more people who are helped.

Going about something quietly is great when a person just wants to help in their own way, but it's never going to raise public awareness if the public doesn't know about the need.
Callmewhatyouwan t

Beach Haven, NJ

#53 Mar 11, 2013
And just because JBJ has done some very public charitable things doesn't he doesn't also do things that we are unaware of.

Matter of fact, if he would like to help me make my next mortgage payment and chip in towards that boat I have been eyeing, I promise not to tell a soul.

It will be our little secret.

Since: Mar 13

Portimão, Portugal

#54 Mar 11, 2013
There are people who do charity to get attention "look what I've done. I'm such a good guy". And there are people who do it quietly. Either way, what matters at the end of the day is that people are indeed being helped.

But, as far as I'm concerned, Jon seems to like to brag and recently putting Bruce Springsteen and Bono down was awful. I love Bon Jovi but I am not blind. I cringe when he talks about charity and this never happened to me with any other celebrities.
dream87

Germany

#55 Mar 11, 2013
jovified wrote:
There are people who do charity to get attention "look what I've done. I'm such a good guy". And there are people who do it quietly. Either way, what matters at the end of the day is that people are indeed being helped.
But, as far as I'm concerned, Jon seems to like to brag and recently putting Bruce Springsteen and Bono down was awful. I love Bon Jovi but I am not blind. I cringe when he talks about charity and this never happened to me with any other celebrities.
I agree. And lately it's been talked about in almost every single interview. We get it...The comments about Bruce and Bono were in bad taste as well. I think a part of him is doing this to get credibility. He was never really able to get it through music, so he is using politics and charity.
Miz BusyBody

Palmer, AK

#56 Mar 11, 2013
Yes, I was disappointed with the way Jon expressed himself with regard to Bruce and Bono and their charitable efforts but I also don't know how the piece was edited or how the original question was posed. Jon is usually better at expressing himself. Obviously one of the points he was making is that in addition to money, he is in the trenches doing the work. Nothing wrong with that. I think he did like volunteering at the Soul Kitchen because usually Dorothea or his father were also there. I think he felt good hauling in supplies and making meals for the victims of the Sandy hurricane--who wouldn't feel good physically pitching in to help.

I don't begrudge him any legal tax breaks. We all make use of them and none of us have to hire expensive 24-hour security for a house that is no longer a primary residence. He does have a "farm" and is entitled to whatever the tax code allows. He bought that land and built that house because of the enjoyment he has given millions of fans. He isn't a robber baron who got rich on the broken backs of others' labor.
Callmewhatyouwan t

Beach Haven, NJ

#57 Mar 12, 2013
"He does have a "farm" and is entitled to whatever the tax code allows."

"none of us have to hire expensive 24-hour security for a house"

Wait a minute, who has security to guard a "farm"?

By no stretch of the imagination would any reasonable person call an area on a palatial waterfront estate with a few bee hives on it a "farm".

The law was written to preserve open space and encourage farming 60 years ago. I don't consider property behind JBJ's gate open space or a few boxes with bees in them a farm, even with quotation marks around it.

Let's be clear here. The legislature is trying to have this law changed but it keeps stalling. Why? Because the wealthy political contributors, like JBJ who had Al Gore at his house for a fundraiser, don't want it to cost them money.

Even our tough guy Governor who was soooooo concerned that people were paying too much in local taxes that he capped the pay for our top school administrator,( a move which literally saved the taxpayers in our town less than a dollar per person per year) ignores this blatant abuse of an outdated tax law which costs us millions.
What is the defense that I am getting here for JBJ avoiding his taxes?

I should change the law. It isn't his fault, he just has astute accountants. He makes people happy with his music so we should look the other way. He does other charitable things so this doesn't count. He is not a robber baron. His tax dollars won't help the people of Middletown. It's only the 6+ acres for the bees.

All I have read are rationalizations and excuses. No one, not even you rabid JBJ fans who are so devoted to this guy that you post on a forum dedicated to him, are saying he is doing the right, or admirable thing.

He doesn't have a farm where he grows crops that feeds the hungry. He has some honey bee hives. He buys queen bees, cuts their wings off and takes their honey.

It is not just JBJ, it is lot's of JBJ's that are costing the rest of us millions. He is just part of the problem. The taxes that he avoids still must be paid. We still have a municipal budget that must be funded by the residents of Middletown. He prefers that the rest of the town pays the taxes on his 6.8 acres of security guard protected "farm".

Instead of donating the $500 he makes from his honey to charity he should donate the money he saves on his taxes to our library, which just closed three branches.

Don't get me wrong. I like his music and I have no problem paying him to listen to it. I just don't like it enough to pay his taxes too.
Nofanofjbj

Staten Island, NY

#58 Mar 12, 2013
He uses the property for other business as well. Namely, his recording studio. So must likely he is writing that off as well.

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