When it comes to hurricanes, climate change effects may be 'a wash'

Dec 1, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Boston Herald

In some ways, hurricane season 2011, which ended Wednesday, seems to fit right in with the wild weather wreaking havoc in recent years - a string of severe floods, droughts and heat waves that the world's top climate scientists recently warned will likely worsen with global warming.

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SpaceBlues

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Dec 1, 2011
 
The title is a loser and so is the text. I give both 5 red herrings out of 5.

"That’s kind of a wash in my book,” said Chris Landsea, science and operations officer at the National Hurricane Center in Miami-Dade and the source for the piece, including its title.

Well, but earlier on June 20, 2011: "Chris Landsea: Busy 2011 Atlantic hurricane season."

http://earthsky.org/earth/chris-landsea-busy-...

There you go!
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Hurricanes are large and man has been recording them for a long time.

The fact is our current hurricanes, look just like the hurricanes we had when the PDO was negative the last time around. Our hurricanes during the positive PDO go into the gulf or stay south on the atlantic seaboard, with the negative PDO, the hurricanes move up the atlantic as we saw this year.

This is a function of the enhancement capabilities of the PDO on the El Ninos and La Ninas. El Ninos are enhanced by a positive PDO and La Ninas are enhanced by a negative PDO.

The wind patterns that result from these systems determine where the hurricanes go.

There is a lot about what creates our weather that we still don't know.
SpaceBlues

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Dec 1, 2011
 
Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment
by
P. J. Webster,1 G. J. Holland, J. A. Curry, H.-R. Chang

We conclude that global data indicate a 30-
year trend toward more frequent and intense
hurricanes, corroborated by the results of the
recent regional assessment (29). This trend is not
inconsistent with recent climate model simulations
that a doubling of CO2 may increase the
frequency of the most intense cyclones (18, 30),
although attribution of the 30-year trends to
global warming would require a longer global
data record and, especially, a deeper understanding
of the role of hurricanes in the general
circulation of the atmosphere and ocean, even
in the present climate state.

http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/387h/PAPERS...
Wondering

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Dec 1, 2011
 
Some summers are hot ,some are cooler.Some winters are very cold ,and some are not so cold.Some summers we have lots of hurricanes,and sometimes we don't.Go figure!!!Enjoy a little cheese and some wine and chill out.Lie back and enjoy the ride.We will never get out of here alive.Why worry?
SpaceBlues

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Dec 1, 2011
 
Wondering wrote:
Some summers are hot ,some are cooler.Some winters are very cold ,and some are not so cold.Some summers we have lots of hurricanes,and sometimes we don't.Go figure!!!Enjoy a little cheese and some wine and chill out.Lie back and enjoy the ride.We will never get out of here alive.Why worry?
Oh please.. you remind me of the last days of Rome.. and you without science.

AGW is happening with climate change in tow.
SpaceBlues

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Dec 1, 2011
 
Fun Facts wrote:
Hurricanes are large and man has been recording them for a long time.
The fact is our current hurricanes, look just like the hurricanes we had when the PDO was negative the last time around. Our hurricanes during the positive PDO go into the gulf or stay south on the atlantic seaboard, with the negative PDO, the hurricanes move up the atlantic as we saw this year.
This is a function of the enhancement capabilities of the PDO on the El Ninos and La Ninas. El Ninos are enhanced by a positive PDO and La Ninas are enhanced by a negative PDO.
The wind patterns that result from these systems determine where the hurricanes go.
There is a lot about what creates our weather that we still don't know.
Fun Facts, you are back to lie, twist, and misrepresent.

There is a lot that scientists know about our planet and its events, including the role of man-made global warming in causing climate change. However, you are not of science; you don't represent the planet's scientists. Your claims are worthless because they don't have a scientific basis. Remember that.

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Dec 1, 2011
 
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Fun Facts, you are back to lie, twist, and misrepresent.
There is a lot that scientists know about our planet and its events, including the role of man-made global warming in causing climate change. However, you are not of science; you don't represent the planet's scientists. Your claims are worthless because they don't have a scientific basis. Remember that.
why is it that the "scientists" want to silence the "deniers"? could it be that there is "politics" in the "equation"?
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh please.. you remind me of the last days of Rome.. and you without science.
AGW is happening with climate change in tow.
You and I will both be dead and gone before anything drastic happens.I'm not worried and you shouldn't be either.
YouHelpFixIt

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SpaceBlues wrote:
Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment
by
P. J. Webster,1 G. J. Holland, J. A. Curry, H.-R. Chang
We conclude that global data indicate a 30-
year trend toward more frequent and intense
hurricanes, corroborated by the results of the
recent regional assessment (29). This trend is not
inconsistent with recent climate model simulations
that a doubling of CO2 may increase the
frequency of the most intense cyclones (18, 30),
although attribution of the 30-year trends to
global warming would require a longer global
data record and, especially, a deeper understanding
of the role of hurricanes in the general
circulation of the atmosphere and ocean, even
in the present climate state.
http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/387h/PAPERS...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atlantic_ac...

Looks like a 70 year cycle in the atlantic.

very simmilar to the AMO.

http://www.appinsys.com/globalwarming/AMO.htm
Fun Facts

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Dec 2, 2011
 
SpaceBlues wrote:
Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment
by
P. J. Webster,1 G. J. Holland, J. A. Curry, H.-R. Chang
We conclude that global data indicate a 30-
year trend toward more frequent and intense
hurricanes, corroborated by the results of the
recent regional assessment (29). This trend is not
inconsistent with recent climate model simulations
that a doubling of CO2 may increase the
frequency of the most intense cyclones (18, 30),
although attribution of the 30-year trends to
global warming would require a longer global
data record and, especially, a deeper understanding
of the role of hurricanes in the general
circulation of the atmosphere and ocean, even
in the present climate state.
http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/387h/PAPERS...
From the cited paper.

"In summary, careful analysis of global hurricane
data shows that, against a background of
increasing SST, no global trend has yet emerged
in the number of tropical storms and hurricanes.

Only one region, the North Atlantic, shows a
statistically significant increase, which commenced
in 1995.

However, a simple attribution
of the increase in numbers of storms to a warming
SST environment is not supported, because
of the lack of a comparable correlation in other
ocean basins where SST is also increasing.

The observation that increases in North Atlantic hurricane
characteristics have occurred simultaneously
with a statistically significant positive trend in
SST has led to the speculation that the changes in
both fields are the result of global warming (3)."

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3. Creating an efficiency revolution

We must transform the way we use energy and materials. In
practice this means massive efforts to enhance energy efficiency
and resource productivity, avoiding unintended secondary
consequences. The “throw away concept” must give way to
systematic efforts to develop circular material flows. We must:

• Introduce strict resource efficiency standards to enable a
decoupling of economic growth from resource use.

• Develop new business models, based on radically improved
energy and material efficiency.

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Does anyone have any idea what happened to the promised violent hurricanes that would increase in intensity and regularity after Katrina?
No?
Thought not.
SpaceBlues

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The 21st Century is proceeding with raging man-made climate change. The deniers, who are paid shills are out to promote their agenda.

When the poles are melting, some seas are cooler immediately because of the melted ice, hence varying climate patterns are emerging.

Does a smoker know how he's to get cancer??

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Too funny for words, four sentences, four subjects.
SpamBotty wrote:
The 21st Century is proceeding with raging man-made climate change.
Raging?
Priceless.
SpamBotty wrote:
The deniers, who are paid shills[,] are out to promote their agenda.
Hilarious.
What agenda?
SpamBotty wrote:
When the poles are melting
When?
SpamBotty wrote:
some seas are cooler immediately because of the melted ice
That's amazing.
SpamBotty wrote:
hence varying climate patterns are emerging.
Explain?
SpamBotty wrote:
Does a smoker know how he's to get cancer??
Does a woman know how she's going to get breast or cervical cancer??
Does a man know how he's going to get prostate cancer??
Does anyone know how they're going to get colon cancer, skin cancer, stomach cancer, kidney cancer, liver cancer??
Lung cancer was once the most prevalent form of cancer, but it's now basal cell carcinoma.

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