Global warming is dead. What's the next eco-scare?

Jan 20, 2010 Full story: Men's News Daily 238

As the man-made global warming fear movement collapses and the climate establishment lay in a Climategate ridden tatters , many are asking what next? As man-made global warming fears enter the ashbin of history, what will environmentalists, UN activists and politicians do to fill the void of a failed eco-scare? Well, wonder no more.

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JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#206 Jan 27, 2010
Curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Those studies whereprobably made by the same kind of people who started the glowbull warming hoax, Those farmers in illinois grow 200 bu to the acre without irrigation. Most farmers are excellent stewards of their land. They use the most efficient practices and take very good care of their land. If they didnt they wouldnt be increasing the per acre yelds every year. I personally dont like corn gas. It produces less power thus less fuel economy. Many corn gas plants have closed since the $1.oo per gallon subisidy expired Jan 1 2010. But to say that going to sugar beets will be better for the land and cheaper to produce is a myth. It belies common sense. I doubt that there are any significant differences in the overall cost of production.
?????
That doesn't make sense. The hoaxers are more likely to support ethanol. Why would they support studies that are negative to it?

As for water, the Renewable Fuels Association admits corn/ethanol production uses large amounts of water and that the industry is trying to reduce it's usage.

Regarding your comments about irrigation, the need apparently varies by region.

"In some states, such as Ohio, Iowa, and Kentucky, where corn can grow with little to no irrigation, only five to seven liters of water are required to turn the foodstuff into fuel. Almost all of this water is used to boil, ferment, and distill the biofuel. As ethanol production has increased, however, more corn is being grown in western states such as Nebraska, Colorado, and California, where irrigation needs raise the fuel's water requirements significantly.

"This is one more nail in the coffin for ethanol," says David Pimentel of Cornell University, in Ithaca, NY, whose own studies have shown that ethanol requires more energy to produce than it releases when burned, and that the fertilizer used to grow corn for ethanol has contributed significantly to dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico (areas of the ocean with low oxygen content due to increases in chemicals in the water).

http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22428/

My using this MIT report is just for purposes of showing an example of the studies that are going on. I don't claim to be an expert, but everything I've read backs up the above. I'd be interested in seeing studies that refute any of it.
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#207 Jan 27, 2010
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I at least proved you claimed trucks were required to deliver ethanol. You have proven absolutely NOTHING. Unlike you I don’t pretend to know everything.
I don’t object one bit to your vulgarity…it would get you tossed in even a high-school debate. But then you DO prove that no one is completely useless, that even the worst can serve as a horrible example.
I wasn't trying to "debate" you, jerk. I repeatedly tried to have a conversation about the pros and cons of corn ethanol, etc...but I gave up. Your anal retentive self-gratification through obsessive nitpicking is just too boring, uninteresting, and a waste of time that does nothing to move the conversation along.

As for the "trucks", I agreed that ethanol is also moved by trains. So what? The original point was that it can't be piped, making it more expensive. So how many times have you obsessively brought it up?

Now, bugger off.
skeptic

Bigfoot, TX

#209 Jan 27, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
?????
That doesn't make sense. The hoaxers are more likely to support ethanol. Why would they support studies that are negative to it?
As for water, the Renewable Fuels Association admits corn/ethanol production uses large amounts of water and that the industry is trying to reduce it's usage.
Regarding your comments about irrigation, the need apparently varies by region.
"In some states, such as Ohio, Iowa, and Kentucky, where corn can grow with little to no irrigation, only five to seven liters of water are required to turn the foodstuff into fuel. Almost all of this water is used to boil, ferment, and distill the biofuel. As ethanol production has increased, however, more corn is being grown in western states such as Nebraska, Colorado, and California, where irrigation needs raise the fuel's water requirements significantly.
"This is one more nail in the coffin for ethanol," says David Pimentel of Cornell University, in Ithaca, NY, whose own studies have shown that ethanol requires more energy to produce than it releases when burned, and that the fertilizer used to grow corn for ethanol has contributed significantly to dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico (areas of the ocean with low oxygen content due to increases in chemicals in the water).
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22428/
My using this MIT report is just for purposes of showing an example of the studies that are going on. I don't claim to be an expert, but everything I've read backs up the above. I'd be interested in seeing studies that refute any of it.
So you’re relying on Pimentel and Patzek as your source for the claim that production of ethanol from corn is energy negative. Their work has been challenged by literally dozens of others. Some claim it was done in support of “Big Oil.”

For a criticism of their work and some other studies see:
http://www.journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energ...

A map from the USDA shows no corn acreage in NV and only very small areas in CA and AZ when compared with the traditional corn growing states. See:
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Fiel...
skeptic

Bigfoot, TX

#210 Jan 27, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't trying to "debate" you, jerk. I repeatedly tried to have a conversation about the pros and cons of corn ethanol, etc...but I gave up. Your anal retentive self-gratification through obsessive nitpicking is just too boring, uninteresting, and a waste of time that does nothing to move the conversation along.
As for the "trucks", I agreed that ethanol is also moved by trains. So what? The original point was that it can't be piped, making it more expensive. So how many times have you obsessively brought it up?
Now, bugger off.
One sentence on the topic, post after post of character assassination. That’s your idea of conversation?

Your original claim was that shipment by truck added to costs and used fuel. So does shipment by rail…but FAR less.

You claimed that Brazilian ethanol was of lower cost due to slavery. I STILL question that but IF it’s true the same thing applies to Brazilian cane sugar, which we DO import.

You cite a reference that is a media report of an ACS presentation as evidence with apparently NO idea of what is presented at ACS meetings.

So you’re so firmly convinced AGW is a complete hoax while I still seek new evidence. I refuse to bow Your Majesty and will not “bugger off.” I’ll continue to challenge your childish arguments but would welcome ANY new EVIDENCE. You’re a “Legend in your own (so-called) mind.”
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#212 Jan 27, 2010
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
One sentence on the topic, post after post of character assassination. That’s your idea of conversation?
Your original claim was that shipment by truck added to costs and used fuel. So does shipment by rail…but FAR less.
You claimed that Brazilian ethanol was of lower cost due to slavery. I STILL question that but IF it’s true the same thing applies to Brazilian cane sugar, which we DO import.
You cite a reference that is a media report of an ACS presentation as evidence with apparently NO idea of what is presented at ACS meetings.
So you’re so firmly convinced AGW is a complete hoax while I still seek new evidence. I refuse to bow Your Majesty and will not “bugger off.” I’ll continue to challenge your childish arguments but would welcome ANY new EVIDENCE. You’re a “Legend in your own (so-called) mind.”
No, stupid, I didn't stop trying to have a conversation with you until several days of your carping about trivialities and your never-ending nit-picking, coupled with your passive aggressive attacks made it clear that trying to have a conversation with such an anal retentive jerk was pointless.

Back to the trucks again, stupid? Your obsessiveness is never ending.

Keep stalking me all you want, stupid. I'll continue to use the opportunities to point out that you're a self-gratifying anal retentive a$$hole with a stunted and warped intellect.
skeptic

Pleasanton, TX

#213 Jan 27, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
No, stupid, I didn't stop trying to have a conversation with you until several days of your carping about trivialities and your never-ending nit-picking, coupled with your passive aggressive attacks made it clear that trying to have a conversation with such an anal retentive jerk was pointless.
Back to the trucks again, stupid? Your obsessiveness is never ending.
Keep stalking me all you want, stupid. I'll continue to use the opportunities to point out that you're a self-gratifying anal retentive a$$hole with a stunted and warped intellect.
Any ON TOPIC comments on slavery, ACS publications or Pimentel’s credibility or is your weak brain limited to repeating the same insults?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#214 Jan 27, 2010
Warmers are standing on their last leg as their veracity is becoming on a par with Bernie Madoff's or Obama's. Liars all. Deep inside they all know I'm telling the truth.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#215 Jan 27, 2010
I think the nest eco scare is Michelle's vegetables.
The area I live in has much cleaner rivers and better air quality just in my short lifetime. Warmists are very gullible people who can't see the forest for the trees.
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#216 Jan 28, 2010
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Any ON TOPIC comments on slavery, ACS publications or Pimentel’s credibility or is your weak brain limited to repeating the same insults?
Hi, there, stupid. No, it would be a waste of my time and effort to pretend you're capable of handling a rational conversation.

But since you've promised/threatened to continue stalking me, I'll use each incident as an opportunity to point out that you're an obsessive, anal-retentive ass.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#217 Jan 28, 2010
Does Obama Suck? Let me count the ways.
Obamacre...sucks
Obamawarming.....sucks
obamaimmigration......sucks
Obamajobs....Sucks
Obamaspending......Sucks
Obamaspeeches.....Suck
Obamavegetables.....Stink
Obamalies......A LOT
OBAMACOMMIE....SUCKS
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#218 Jan 28, 2010
Eighthman wrote:
Does Obama Suck? Let me count the ways.
Obamacre...sucks
Obamawarming.....sucks
obamaimmigration......sucks
Obamajobs....Sucks
Obamaspending......Sucks
Obamaspeeches.....Suck
Obamavegetables.....Stink
Obamalies......A LOT
OBAMACOMMIE....SUCKS
AMEN!

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#219 Jan 28, 2010
All the HOT SHOT WARMERS have run for the hills. When is our a-hole president going to get the news? He's about as sharp as a bag of Kumquats.

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#220 Jan 28, 2010
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Forecasts of “nuclear winter” were all the rage several years ago. More recently Carl Sagan predicted “global cooling” from the fires Saddam’s troops set when forced from Kuwait. The despised Halliburton subcontracted with both Red Adair and Boots and Coots and they put those fires out in much less time than it was assumed it would take.
Unfortunately the hole in the ozone layer IS real. Ozone high in the stratosphere is “good,” it reduces ultraviolet radiation, but that near the surface is “bad,” it causes respiratory problems. Most believe that changes in certain compounds used primarily for refrigeration will ultimately correct the upper-level ozone problem.
Yes the hole in the ozone layer is real. And it turns out it had been there all along. Later research discovered that the hole varies in size and sometimes even closes but it was a natural event that has been happening forever. The only difference is man finally noticed it.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#221 Jan 28, 2010
? What happened to Al the Gore worshipers? Where's Bono when you need him?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#222 Jan 28, 2010
man eating snails caused by being obese.
skeptic

Pleasanton, TX

#223 Jan 28, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, there, stupid. No, it would be a waste of my time and effort to pretend you're capable of handling a rational conversation.
But since you've promised/threatened to continue stalking me, I'll use each incident as an opportunity to point out that you're an obsessive, anal-retentive ass.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will eventually come to believe it."

"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."

Source, Paul Joseph Goebbles.

You’re not even original in your insults.
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#224 Jan 28, 2010
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will eventually come to believe it."
"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."
Source, Paul Joseph Goebbles.
You’re not even original in your insults.
Ha. Well, you promised/threatened to continue stalking me.....and here you are again.

Like I said, I'll just use each attack as an opportunity to point out your obsessive anal retentive behavior.
;^>
skeptic

Bigfoot, TX

#225 Jan 28, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha. Well, you promised/threatened to continue stalking me.....and here you are again.
Like I said, I'll just use each attack as an opportunity to point out your obsessive anal retentive behavior.
;^>
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will eventually come to believe it."

"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."

Source, Paul Joseph Goebbles.
JRobert

Benet Lake, WI

#226 Jan 28, 2010
Eighthman wrote:
? What happened to Al the Gore worshipers? Where's Bono when you need him?
....and where is Danny Glover, who believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming?

Glover sez: "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?"

I think I know a nut case who would get along swell with Glover. You know what I'm sayin'?
skeptic

Bigfoot, TX

#227 Jan 28, 2010
JRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
....and where is Danny Glover, who believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming?
Glover sez: "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?"
I think I know a nut case who would get along swell with Glover. You know what I'm sayin'?
Where is the JRobert who believes Brazilian alcohol is cost competitive with gasoline because of slavery?
Where is the JRobert who believes ethanol is energy negative because David Pimentel says so?
Where is the JRobert who believes fertilizer runoff due to increased corn planting is killing the Gulf of Mexico?
Where is the JRobert who completely discounts opinions of several hundred degreed scientists that global warming could be a disaster?

Where is the JRobert willing at least to consider alternatives?

I KNOW where the arrogant, anal-retentive JRobert is!

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