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'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change

There are 60 comments on the worldnews.msnbc.msn.com story from Apr 23, 2012, titled 'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change. In it, worldnews.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said. “The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said. “The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

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Gord

Calgary, Canada

#1 Apr 24, 2012
WOW!
Al Gore is a slug

UK

#2 Apr 24, 2012
oh what a pity. Now even the top Warmies are admitting it. Not that I couldn't have told you all this myself years ago - Oh yes, now I remember, I did.
Fun Facts

Owens Cross Roads, AL

#3 Apr 24, 2012
Will Hansen also publish a 'oops, sorry folks for spending all your hard earned money on a fantasy' book.

Probably not.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#4 Apr 24, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
Will Hansen also publish a 'oops, sorry folks for spending all your hard earned money on a fantasy' book.
Probably not.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_...
Don't be daft, Jimbo's still making his pile out of the hoax and hoax it has turned out to be.

Our dyed in the wool alarmist friends can't admit they were wrong, they'll simply fade away and disappear into the woodwork, one by one, until we 'denier' sceptics are left chatting among ourselves about the weather.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#5 Apr 24, 2012
It's refreshing to see an honest alarmist. The last climate scam of the 70s during the Carter administration had our coastal cities under water by 2000. Communists in the 70s discussed in many magazines, how after potentially losing the attentions of the electorate after their lies about Vietnam successfully overtook the Democrat party with Marxists, using environment issues to keep sway and turn the nation toward the current 150 Million people being on some sort of government handouts.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#6 Apr 24, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
It's refreshing to see an honest alarmist. The last climate scam of the 70s during the Carter administration had our coastal cities under water by 2000. Communists in the 70s discussed in many magazines, how after potentially losing the attentions of the electorate after their lies about Vietnam successfully overtook the Democrat party with Marxists, using environment issues to keep sway and turn the nation toward the current 150 Million people being on some sort of government handouts.
As far as climatic problems are concerned, catastrophe is for the future, always has been, always will be.

The LIA was a catastrophe for over twenty generations of humans who lived and died during that period, but they didn't realise it at the time, because cold weather was the norm for around 500 years.

"IF" the planet warmed another 4C by 2100, it would be the norm for the living.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#7 Apr 24, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>As far as climatic problems are concerned, catastrophe is for the future, always has been, always will be.
The LIA was a catastrophe for over twenty generations of humans who lived and died during that period, but they didn't realise it at the time, because cold weather was the norm for around 500 years.
"IF" the planet warmed another 4C by 2100, it would be the norm for the living.
Any current warming is but a reversal of the last mini Ice Age, which will make accessible lands in the future extremely rich and productive. We might even see some of the Vikings return north.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#8 Apr 24, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Any current warming is but a reversal of the last mini Ice Age, which will make accessible lands in the future extremely rich and productive. We might even see some of the Vikings return north.
Minnesota is pretty much north.
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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#9 Apr 24, 2012
Just for a laugh:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Western Europe was. But there is NO good evidence that Greenland was warmer. Note that the vikings were ADAPTED to 'nordic temperatures' and wouldn't know how to live in a melting Greenland.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#10 Apr 24, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Minnesota is pretty much north.
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All those pagan Vikings attacking the British Isles, France and Spain, then settling there during the last mini Ice Age after raping and killing everyone else, might be better off farming the lands they left. France has enough problems with aliens.
Vikings R Us

UK

#11 Apr 25, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
All those pagan Vikings attacking the British Isles, France and Spain, then settling there during the last mini Ice Age after raping and killing everyone else, might be better off farming the lands they left. France has enough problems with aliens.
The NORMANS, the only really successful people from "France", were all Viking invaders anyway. If it hadn't been for Vikings, later generations wouldn't have even known there was a North America.
SpaceBlues

United States

#12 Apr 25, 2012
Vikings R Us wrote:
<quoted text>The NORMANS, the only really successful people from "France", were all Viking invaders anyway. If it hadn't been for Vikings, later generations wouldn't have even known there was a North America.
Not true. There were people from Asia.

Norway has a strong PR though. Unbeatable now.

“WE never came from Africa!”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#13 Apr 25, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. There were people from Asia.
Norway has a strong PR though. Unbeatable now.
what is that supposed to mean?

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#14 Apr 25, 2012
DudTenners wrote:
what is that supposed to mean?
It's code.
Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms

Cheltenham, PA

#15 Apr 29, 2012
Al Gore is a slug wrote:
oh what a pity. Now even the top Warmies are admitting it. Not that I couldn't have told you all this myself years ago - Oh yes, now I remember, I did.
Hey retardate,

Lovelock's projections were way more dire than Hansen's. He was out there by himself.

As the article makes clear he has brought his projections inline with those of Hansen and the 97% of scientists who work in the field - the consensus.

Lovelock in no way denies what is perfectly obvious at this juncture:

co2 is a greenhouse gas
more is being released by human activity
this human activity is warming the globe
the warming is not equal over parts of the globe
sea levels have risen significantly
weather will grow more extreme

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#16 Apr 29, 2012
Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms wrote:
co2 is a greenhouse gas
Really?
more is being released by human activity
Really?
this human activity is warming the globe
How much?
the warming is not equal over parts of the globe
Why?
sea levels have risen significantly
How much is "significantly?"
weather will grow more extreme
When?
Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms

Cheltenham, PA

#17 Apr 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Really?<quoted text>Really?<quoted text>How much?<quoted text>Why?<quoted text>How much is "significantly?"< quoted text>When?
You fcking cretin.

No one, I mean no one on any side of the issue from denier to Lovelock disputes the earth is warming on average or that co2 is a greenhouse gas or that the greenhouse effect traps heat. There's no question about sea level rise over the past decades.

Those are just the obvious ones.

There's considerable evidence that the weather has _already_ grown extreme, you dumb pos, or did you miss the buybull belt tornadoes in the past couple of years. Of course, more data is needed.

You don't know what "testable" means, what a "theory" is, you're not a rational actor, you don't want to be a rational actor. You're simply a Tea Bagging mongoloid who values ignorance more than anything else besides greed and hate.
Gord

Calgary, Canada

#18 Apr 30, 2012
Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms wrote:
<quoted text>
You fcking cretin.
No one, I mean no one on any side of the issue from denier to Lovelock disputes the earth is warming on average or that co2 is a greenhouse gas or that the greenhouse effect traps heat. There's no question about sea level rise over the past decades.
Those are just the obvious ones.
There's considerable evidence that the weather has _already_ grown extreme, you dumb pos, or did you miss the buybull belt tornadoes in the past couple of years. Of course, more data is needed.
You don't know what "testable" means, what a "theory" is, you're not a rational actor, you don't want to be a rational actor. You're simply a Tea Bagging mongoloid who values ignorance more than anything else besides greed and hate.
Wow, another AGW Cult Idiot that has no clue what the "Greenhouse Effect" is.

Don't you know that the IPCC AR4 Report does not support your silly "greenhouse effect traps heat"?

THE IPCC AR4 REPORT DEFINES THE "GREENHOUSE EFFECT" as BACK-RADIATION from a COLDER ATMOSPHERE "HEATING-UP" A WARMER EARTH!!

The DIRECT QUOTES from the IPCC AR4 REPORT are HERE:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

The IPCC AR4 report definition of the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" RELIES on greenhouse gases RADIATING HEAT, not TRAPPING HEAT....DUMBASS.

By the way, the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" requires the Average -20 deg C Atmosphere to HEAT-UP a +15 deg C Earth Surface.

Why don't you Post any Law of Science or ANY Measurement where that can happen?

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is NOT POSSIBLE for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/th...

There has NEVER been ANY MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE, where a Cold body HEATS-UP a Warmer body so I look forward to your next post.

What a HOOT!
Gord

Calgary, Canada

#20 Apr 30, 2012
For you AGW'ers or Quasi-AGW'ers that subscribe to the "CO2 Traps Heat" or "Reduces the Rate of Cooling" myths, this very simple but effective experiment shown in the Videos prove you wrong.

The "Greenhouse Effect" Hypothesis
http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2.html

Enjoy.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#21 Apr 30, 2012
Goodness knows what will happen with all this "already_ grown extreme" weather.
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Extreme Weather Events Are Killing Fewer People than Ever Before
Despite concerns about global warming and a large increase in the number of reported storms and droughts, the world's death rate from extreme weather events was lower from 2000 to 2010 than it has been in any decade since 1900, according to a new Reason Foundation study. Chronicling extreme weather categories of droughts, floods, wildfires, storms (hurricanes, cyclones, tornadoes, typhoons, etc.) and extreme temperatures, both hot and cold, the study found:

Droughts were the most deadly extreme weather category between 1900 and 2010, responsible for over 60 percent of extreme weather deaths during that time and peaking in the 1920s.
Floods, peaking in the 1930s, were to blame for 30 percent of the deaths during the timeframe studied, making them the second most deadly extreme weather category.
The average number of extreme weather events recorded increased from 2.5 per year in the 1920s to 8.5 in the 1940s to 350 per year for the period 2000-2010.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php...

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