China Says Democracy Hurts Kenya

China Says Democracy Hurts Kenya

There are 80 comments on the The Associated Press story from Jan 14, 2008, titled China Says Democracy Hurts Kenya . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

“Colonialism is the chief culprit, the fuse that sparks ethnic conflict”

The election-related violence that has killed hundreds in Kenya is proof that Western-style democracy is a bad fit for Africa, said China, which has been under fire for its friendly relations with authoritarian leaders on the continent.

Pre-colonial Africa had plenty of consultative decision-making frameworks, but those were ignored when former European rulers 'tyrannically' imposed Western democratic systems upon independence, the People's Daily newspaper said in a commentary Monday.

'Western-style democratic theory simply isn't suited to African conditions, but rather carries with it the root of disaster,' said the paper, the official mouthpiece of China's ruling Communist Party. Read more

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Since: Apr 10

Hebei, China

#64 Jul 27, 2011
democracy can hurt commies government as well , dictators always consider that guns equates political power , and they have slaughtered countless innocent people .
Kwesimsa

Kenya

#65 Jul 27, 2011
chinese peasant wrote:
democracy can hurt commies government as well , dictators always consider that guns equates political power , and they have slaughtered countless innocent people .
Democracy when it arrives too early can easily become a problem. Havent you noticed the media in Kenya is not patriotic and has no national secrets? They want to discuss everything including military hardware. Most of them are driven by tribal loyalty that cant serve the country. Thats why an empty creature like Raila has been termed as the media darling, the man to beat in 2012! But the truth is that the guy is a vacuum with no ideas at all. The so called free media laden with alot of onesided loyalty ridicules and even insults the president, let alone his VP. You would think the only person around is the pugnacious EVER DO NOTHING prime minister! When a ship carrying Kenyan military tanks was hijacked by Somali pirates, you would have thought Kenya was on trial. That we stood to gain whether the stuff was headed to South Sudan or not was never a issue. The main thing was to depict section of our leadership as dishonest and untruthful. This is the kind of democracy that spells doom for any country. National interests MUST OVERRIDE ANYTHING ELSE. Am sure Chinese knew what they were saying. Traitors should not be treated as democrats at whatever guise, but what they really are!

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#67 Jul 27, 2011
A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship.

Lord Thomas MacCauley 1857
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#68 Jul 27, 2011
Kwesimsa wrote:
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Democracy when it arrives too early can easily become a problem. Havent you noticed the media in Kenya is not patriotic and has no national secrets? They want to discuss everything including military hardware. Most of them are driven by tribal loyalty that cant serve the country. Thats why an empty creature like Raila has been termed as the media darling, the man to beat in 2012! But the truth is that the guy is a vacuum with no ideas at all. The so called free media laden with alot of onesided loyalty ridicules and even insults the president, let alone his VP. You would think the only person around is the pugnacious EVER DO NOTHING prime minister! When a ship carrying Kenyan military tanks was hijacked by Somali pirates, you would have thought Kenya was on trial. That we stood to gain whether the stuff was headed to South Sudan or not was never a issue. The main thing was to depict section of our leadership as dishonest and untruthful. This is the kind of democracy that spells doom for any country. National interests MUST OVERRIDE ANYTHING ELSE. Am sure Chinese knew what they were saying. Traitors should not be treated as democrats at whatever guise, but what they really are!
Truth sometimes hurts and it does more harm to the person, even between married couple. Democracy doesn't mean you have to reveal state secrets to the population. Politicians are known to be liars and they won't reveal state secrets.

Dissidents should not be considered as traitors by the state just because they have different political views. Jane Fonda is considered by many Americans as a traitor because of her view about the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afghan wars but not by the American government. That is why the US government allowed her to travel to Hanoi in 1972 with an American passport and she was never convicted nor jailed for her political views.
Kwesimsa

Kenya

#69 Jul 27, 2011
the examiner wrote:
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Truth sometimes hurts and it does more harm to the person, even between married couple. Democracy doesn't mean you have to reveal state secrets to the population. Politicians are known to be liars and they won't reveal state secrets.
Dissidents should not be considered as traitors by the state just because they have different political views. Jane Fonda is considered by many Americans as a traitor because of her view about the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afghan wars but not by the American government. That is why the US government allowed her to travel to Hanoi in 1972 with an American passport and she was never convicted nor jailed for her political views.
Thanks pal, I entirely agree. However, there is a difference between a traitor and a dissident. A dissident would just hold a different view or even approach, without selling his country for 3 pieces of silver. A traitor opens his mouth and heart to all, including enemies of his country. Strips his motherland naked the way Kenya's prime minister and his tribal followers have been doing. And reason? Just to secure votes from gullible voters! Its insanity of unimaginable levels!!!!

Since: Apr 10

Hebei, China

#70 Jul 28, 2011
Zsari wrote:
A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship.
Lord Thomas MacCauley 1857
to see the slogan of doing anything for money in China ( fa zhan si ying dao li ), evil dictators killing , robbing , stealing , raping innocent Chinese in the name of the people .

Since: Apr 10

Hebei, China

#71 Jul 28, 2011
Kwesimsa wrote:
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Democracy when it arrives too early can easily become a problem. Havent you noticed the media in Kenya is not patriotic and has no national secrets? They want to discuss everything including military hardware. Most of them are driven by tribal loyalty that cant serve the country. Thats why an empty creature like Raila has been termed as the media darling, the man to beat in 2012! But the truth is that the guy is a vacuum with no ideas at all. The so called free media laden with alot of onesided loyalty ridicules and even insults the president, let alone his VP. You would think the only person around is the pugnacious EVER DO NOTHING prime minister! When a ship carrying Kenyan military tanks was hijacked by Somali pirates, you would have thought Kenya was on trial. That we stood to gain whether the stuff was headed to South Sudan or not was never a issue. The main thing was to depict section of our leadership as dishonest and untruthful. This is the kind of democracy that spells doom for any country. National interests MUST OVERRIDE ANYTHING ELSE. Am sure Chinese knew what they were saying. Traitors should not be treated as democrats at whatever guise, but what they really are!
do you know Tai Wan and Hong Kong ?
ARGH

New York, NY

#72 Jul 28, 2011
Democracy's hurting America, Greece, Spain, Italy and Norway also!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Kwesimsa

Kenya

#74 Jul 28, 2011
chinese peasant wrote:
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do you know Tai Wan and Hong Kong ?
Why not?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#75 Jul 28, 2011
Unatoka wapi?
Kwesimsa wrote:
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Thanks pal, I entirely agree. However, there is a difference between a traitor and a dissident. A dissident would just hold a different view or even approach, without selling his country for 3 pieces of silver. A traitor opens his mouth and heart to all, including enemies of his country. Strips his motherland naked the way Kenya's prime minister and his tribal followers have been doing. And reason? Just to secure votes from gullible voters! Its insanity of unimaginable levels!!!!
Kwesimsa

Kenya

#76 Jul 28, 2011
August Choge wrote:
Unatoka wapi?
<quoted text>
Whats your point? Natoka Kenya, na wewe or wewe ni jang'o in empty pain?
UTopiaBong

Luton, UK

#77 Jul 29, 2011
Arindam wrote:
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India may not be developing faster than China - but it is certainly developing faster than a number of non-democratic countries - like our neighbours in Bangladesh and Pakistan
Uhhhhh.... uninformed dumba$$- Bangladesh IS a democracy. There HAS been a short period of time when military has stepped in but civilian govt took over the reins shortly.

Your also clueless about how much economic development is tied to the actual circumstances of a country. B-desh, surrounded by a (at times) hostile larger neighbour that interferes with it's natural climate/habitat (Farakka Barrage). Arguably B-desh has done much better than India management-wise given the weak economic hand it has been dealt. It has very little in the way of natural resources and the main export is textiles. Yet they are improving literacy, health and increasingly involved in the IT sector.

To compare this tiny impoverished country with a vast supernation like India and talk of how "democracy" in India is rapidly helping it's growth - when in fact the politicians are the most corrupt and civil service is incompetent and useless shows just how clueless you are about the situation.

Stay in the Arab lands, India doesn't need more wallies.
UTopiaBong

Luton, UK

#78 Jul 29, 2011
luf wrote:
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The same thing that many countries around China are democracy - Mongolia, India, Pakistan, Bangladish ... etc. You can't deny they are democracy by the reason that they are not as good as NZ.
Ummmmmmmmm - you can. Just because there is democracy in these countries doesn't mean that they are GOOD ones (like in NZ). The political process is far more corrupt in developing nations (for obvious reasons). In a country like Pakistan, for instance, you really have to question whether it's a democracy (with the will of the ppl being enacted) at all.

This effects the top-down system of government, where contracts etc. are not judged by the merit they will give the "people"; far more likely they are awarded to whichever general/politician/executive has been bribed. This system is inefficient (over the long run).

You can already see the cracks occuring in a rather more organized authoritarian state (like China). Rampant inflation, housing crises, bloated economy, ineffective infrastructure, spiralling debt (a lot due to said infrastructure) etc.

There is bound to be a type of corruption in a state like this - even one which has surface organization (like China).
hmm

Santa Clara, CA

#79 Jul 29, 2011
China cares a lot about Africans, a lot, a lot, a lot.
UTopiaBong

Luton, UK

#80 Jul 29, 2011
Kwesimsa wrote:
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Democracy when it arrives too early can easily become a problem. Havent you noticed the media in Kenya is not patriotic and has no national secrets? They want to discuss everything including military hardware. Most of them are driven by tribal loyalty that cant serve the country. Thats why an empty creature like Raila has been termed as the media darling, the man to beat in 2012! But the truth is that the guy is a vacuum with no ideas at all. The so called free media laden with alot of onesided loyalty ridicules and even insults the president, let alone his VP. You would think the only person around is the pugnacious EVER DO NOTHING prime minister! When a ship carrying Kenyan military tanks was hijacked by Somali pirates, you would have thought Kenya was on trial. That we stood to gain whether the stuff was headed to South Sudan or not was never a issue. The main thing was to depict section of our leadership as dishonest and untruthful. This is the kind of democracy that spells doom for any country. National interests MUST OVERRIDE ANYTHING ELSE. Am sure Chinese knew what they were saying. Traitors should not be treated as democrats at whatever guise, but what they really are!
I understand your argument - but then who rules?

Who makes all the decisions?

The thing about authoritarian govt's is that they sound wonderful in theory - but in the messy world of human affairs they can end up being an enormous crutch.

In a country divided by tribal factions with differing loyalties, who do you decide has power? Inevitably ppl who don't have any voice/say will (rightly) feel disenfranchised by the ppl in power. This can (and often does, in many countries not just Africa) lead to mass violence/rioting.

There is no one-size fits all perfect solution. So you have to choose the one that gives best possible chance for long-term stability.
I SEE

New York, NY

#82 Jul 29, 2011
Seems that Westerners are jealous of China's good relations.

Since: Apr 10

Hebei, China

#83 Jul 30, 2011
CCP only know killing sparrow .
DISGRACEFUL

New York, NY

#84 Jul 30, 2011
Care to taste my eggroll?
alan gerrard

Halifax, UK

#85 Aug 3, 2011
i spend as much time as i can in mombasa i love it and i love the people. it,s true what people are saying western democracy does not suite africa.keep the british tourist,keep out the british politicians,look what they have done to the uk.they haave made a mess of it.african people find your own polotics then you will be a great nation.keep out the chinese to.
Kwesimsa

Kenya

#86 Aug 3, 2011
alan gerrard wrote:
i spend as much time as i can in mombasa i love it and i love the people. it,s true what people are saying western democracy does not suite africa.keep the british tourist,keep out the british politicians,look what they have done to the uk.they haave made a mess of it.african people find your own polotics then you will be a great nation.keep out the chinese to.
Chinese havent come to Africa as superiors unlike westerners. They have come as true friends on mutual business. I guess the problem is with those who see themselves as masters with slave owner mentality. And even willing to impose their will through fire of arms as the case in Libya. Deception and thievery is their only objective in Africa. On the other hand, Chinese are not interested in playing big in local politics but purely on equal business partnership. Those who are getting jittery is simply a case of the guilty ones are always afraid. Furthermore, why is it so important for west or UK for that matter, to caution Africans on their type of friends? Why try to decide who are going to be our friends? Why is UK running around all the continent to tell Africa to break relations with Libya? These are devious colonial tactics that no longer hold in Africa. The bottomline is be our true friends but dont force your choices/tastes on us. Africans are not little children to be told what to do in every turn! Someone is going to loose and loose badly if the current approach is not changed!

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