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On Native GroundTHE Nexus of Climate Change and War

There are 56 comments on the American Reporter story from Sep 9, 2011, titled On Native GroundTHE Nexus of Climate Change and War. In it, American Reporter reports that:

There is virtually no doubt that global warming exists. Aside from a few cranks and those heavily invested in the fossil fuel industry, the scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate is changing, and changing faster than ever before.

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#41 Sep 13, 2011
bronck burger wrote:
THE ALIENS ARE WATCHING.
I've been saying that for years, especially one alien....... eart hling(alien with no affinity to Earth).

Fortunately,'eart hling (alien has no affinity to Earth)' is 'piddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a worthless slimy filthy vile pukey proud racist pig.
Wisdom

Westland, MI

#42 Sep 14, 2011
litesong wrote:
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Are you certain you have wisdom? I'm not certain.
I am certain I have the wisdom to know you are lacking in wisdom.

Thanks for proving exactly what the realists are saying about you alarmists.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#43 Sep 14, 2011
stardust1 wrote:
Of couse everything...warming, cooling, droughts, floods...are all caused by man. You are the "man is bad" cult and you completely ignore the fact that climate science is in it's infancy and that there are dozens of natural phenomena that even the warmists admit they don't understand enough to explain the affect on climate or weather.
And then on top of that you just flat out make up calamitous predictions for the future without a clue if they will happen. Why? Because instead of using science (which you don't really have yet) you think you can use politics and fear tactics.
And that is your undoing.
That's the way the alarmist religion has been propagated, a few climate scientists have spoken, that's enough for them, no questions asked regarding the massive uncertainty in an infant science.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#44 Sep 14, 2011
stardust1 wrote:
Atmospheric CO2 may have a slight effect, but there is no proof that man's contribution as a source of CO2 (ESTIMATED at about 4% of all sources) is the reason temperature is slowly trending upward. It is entirely possible that CO2 is going up due to natural variations more than mans contribution - probably not - but the point is that even this is not a scientific fact.(BTW I think we should be taxing oil imports (in place of income taxes) for other reasons.)
One other detail - the ice core data shows that increases in CO2 follow warming periods - instead of proceeding them. This is expected, because sea water holds less CO2 as it warms and absorbs more as it cools (a established testable fact!).
Low altitude warming has not been established as anything historically out of the ordinary. The data just isn't there to do this. At this time and into the foreseeable future it is unknowable. Being unknowable is the heart of the problem of calling climate speculations,"climate science".
Climate alarmists don't need or want any facts that disagree with their scientific, "consensus" theory, their minds are made up, no questions allowed.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#45 Sep 14, 2011
stardust1 wrote:
True wisdom is knowing how little we know for certain.
Are you certain you know that man is causing global warming?
Any indoctrinated alarmist will tell that mankind is the main cause of Glowbull warming.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#46 Sep 14, 2011
stardust1 wrote:
"Temperature is a key factor in evaporation rates." When did I say it wasn't? The idea is that it isn't the only "key" factor. Another "key" factor is relative humidity. The alarmists want to treat temperature as the only "key" factor in evaporation rates when it is not.
I see your game now...you try to put words in your opponents mouth and then argue from the false premise you create. More than a little dishonest isn't it?
NobodyYouWantToKnow, aka LessFactMoreHype, will argue that black is white until he's blue faced.
His motto should be, never let facts get in the way of more hype.
Wisdom

Westland, MI

#47 Sep 14, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>NobodyYouWantToKnow, aka LessFactMoreHype, will argue that black is white until he's blue faced.
His motto should be, never let facts get in the way of more hype.
Thanks for contributing to the reinforcement of our concerns over the climate change alarmist movement. You are a prime example of what concerns us. Whacky, quasi-religious indoctrinated responses to legitmate concerns. Climate science is in its early stages. There are more questions to be answered than they have answered so far.
habi

Europe

#48 Sep 14, 2011
major cause of air pollution is due to breathing of people of USA, ISRAEL, NATO counties, all western people and many others.
When they breath they exit poisoness gas back into the air , which is 100x more toxic than Co.
Whole atmosphere is polluted by them.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#49 Sep 15, 2011
Wisdom wrote:
Thanks for contributing to the reinforcement of our concerns over the climate change alarmist movement.
I've been concerned with climate change alarmists for quite a few years.
Wisdom wrote:
You are a prime example of what concerns us.
Me, how so?
Wisdom wrote:
Whacky, quasi-religious indoctrinated responses to legitmate concerns.
?¿?¿?
Wisdom wrote:
Climate science is in its early stages.
It has yet to take its first baby steps.
Wisdom wrote:
There are more questions to be answered than they have answered so far.
Agreed, but how much more will it cost taxpayers before climatologists learn to walk?
Stardust

Danby, VT

#50 Sep 15, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I've been concerned with climate change alarmists for quite a few years.<quoted text>Me, how so?<quoted text>?¿?¿?<quoted text>It has yet to take its first baby steps.<quoted text>Agreed, but how much more will it cost taxpayers before climatologists learn to walk?
A lot. Unless we start talking about it without fear of being shouted down by the alarmists.

We spent 50 billion on alternative energy and where has it gotten us. NPR had a program yesterday all about advocating for solar and wind and other alternatives. We have subsidized solar for 30 years and it still isn't even close to economically feasible without the subsidies.

As one wall st analyst said...Why should we worry about China making cheaper solar panels. Even if they were free solar would not be economically viable.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#51 Sep 15, 2011
Stardust wrote:
A lot. Unless we start talking about it without fear of being shouted down by the alarmists.
There's no chance of that ever happening, there'll always be alarmists.
Stardust wrote:
We spent 50 billion on alternative energy and where has it gotten us. NPR had a program yesterday all about advocating for solar and wind and other alternatives. We have subsidized solar for 30 years and it still isn't even close to economically feasible without the subsidies.
No problem, when push comes to shove and they run out of excuses, alarmists will say enough has been done and that they won the battle.
Stardust wrote:
As one wall st analyst said...Why should we worry about China making cheaper solar panels. Even if they were free solar would not be economically viable.
Solar panels are fine here, we get 340 days of sunshine per annum.
In the UK, for example, they're pretty much a waste of money and space.
I Know More Than You

Epsom, NH

#52 Sep 15, 2011
Stardust wrote:
Why should we worry about China making cheaper solar panels. Even if they were free solar would not be economically viable.
If you repeat a lie often enough, it will take on the ring of truth.

Try backing up what you post for once.
Stardust

Danby, VT

#53 Sep 15, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>There's no chance of that ever happening, there'll always be alarmists.<quoted text>No problem, when push comes to shove and they run out of excuses, alarmists will say enough has been done and that they won the battle.<quoted text>Solar panels are fine here, we get 340 days of sunshine per annum.
In the UK, for example, they're pretty much a waste of money and space.
I don't know what it costs to produce power in Spain but solar is more expensive everywhere in the US....even with subsidies. In California, like Vt., they make the utilities buy it for a higher price which is paid for by the consumers.
Stardust

Danby, VT

#54 Sep 15, 2011
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
If you repeat a lie often enough, it will take on the ring of truth.
Try backing up what you post for once.
Why should I do that ...you haven't been able to produce any calculator that shows that it is economically feasible without the subsidies and some funky accounting.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#55 Sep 15, 2011
New technology is racing forward in the solar industry, this year's solar panel will be outdated in a year or two.
Will the ultimate solar panel ever be manufactured?
Highly unlikely.
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Cheap Solar Cells Alone Do Not Make Cheap Solar Power
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006966.h...
Wind & solar are not “intermittent”; they are unreliable, unpredictable, uncontrollable and worthless
http://atomicinsights.com/2011/09/wind-they-a...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#56 Sep 15, 2011
Stardust wrote:
I don't know what it costs to produce power in Spain but solar is more expensive everywhere in the US....even with subsidies.
It probably costs more here.
Stardust wrote:
In California, like Vt., they make the utilities buy it for a higher price which is paid for by the consumers.
The consumer always pays.

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