Obama attacks tribal politics

Obama attacks tribal politics

There are 35 comments on the Daily Monitor story from Jul 12, 2009, titled Obama attacks tribal politics. In it, Daily Monitor reports that:

President Barack Obama who late on Saturday made a major speech in Accra, Ghana in which he outlined his administration's view of Africa hinted that he will not be tolerating undemocratic behaviour, a position that has ramifications for Uganda.

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DAK

Hungary

#1 Jul 12, 2009
Ramification for both Musoveni and those who want to split Uganda on tribal lines. In large part the germ of Uganda's problems was the treatment of constitution on tribal lines at the insistence of the Kabaka Yekka or the close advisers of then Kabaka of Buganda. The same elements want to inssit on the failed specail treatment.
Meli

Athens, Greece

#2 Jul 13, 2009
God created nations, not you Dak, with all the fine books about Britain and India that you clainm to have read. If you and your colonialist-brainwashed way of thinking and your think-alikes wants to undo something, undo your own pathetic human creations. As far as Buganda is concerned you are even free to undo Britain(give it a try), since they got you now, and India , your origin. In that way you'll be putting your special treatment to where it rightfully belongs. I suspect it won't be missed anywhere in Africa. The Baganda in their territory have a right to mind their business. Buganda never invited your ancestors, never given them a visa or an invitation letter. The Colonialists forced your ancestors onto Buganda, and if it's because of the expulsion that you have all this bitterness and evil ouzing out of your soul, just know this, it's really your problem. Buganda is going to go free. whether you and all those who think like you want it or not. You'll remember me for this. So if it hurts you so, better start on crying that river you are gonna cry anyway.

And by the way, tribalism is for tribes. Buganda is a nation, Kingdom. Remember? You know the difference now, don't you? But I'll tell you this much too, nationalism is good if you are inside your nation. Take your nationalism out of your boundaries to another nation, and you'll see how you'll be resisted. The same applies to tribalism. Keep it at home and who cares? Take it out of your tribal boundaries and that's where the problem is. You have a very bad relationship with what's fair and just!!! Must be from evolution ruling your world. I don't wish it on anyone, but if you lived atleast one war, you'd have gotten another view of life. Too bad the young teenagers in Iraq are much wiser that grown up people like you.
Meli

Athens, Greece

#3 Jul 13, 2009
THE EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE: CONTEMPORARY IMPERATIVES.
by Asa G. Hilliard III Ed. D and Luisa Martin.

CONCLUSION

We must recognize, respect and honor the principle for cultural pluralism, granting to all groups the right to exist and to be respected. We must also be educated beyond our parochial interest in order to understand others in the world. A "multiculturalism " that leads to cultural democracy is quite different from the multiculturalism that leads to ethnic cleansing, cultural genocide, or coerced assimilation to some as yet undefined or alien universal norm.

Confused Africans who see themselves as allied with no ethnic group are in an interesting but unenviable position. However, with cultural democracy, the choice is theirs.The education of African people is an urgent necessity. It is a matter of life or death. We cannot abide another generation of children whose socialization has been neglected by us, who have been miseducated by others, who have been abandoned to invent their own systems, without the wise direction of ancient tradition and community elders.

Some European pretend not to understand the values of ethnic cultures, especially the African move to educate themselves. Geopolitical struggles lead to such "amnesia." However, Africans cannot afford the luxury of listening to the siren songs of those who do not recognize or respect us, while strengthening their own position, such as in Alan Bloom's book Closing of the American Mind and E. D. Hirsch's book, Cultural Literacy. We have had such prescriptions for nearly four centuries at least. Trusting in our own cultural heritage, ancient and modern, we are in the best position to solve our own problem. We would have it no other way. The economic, political, ethnic, and spiritual development cannot be created in a vacuum. African self-determination is the only possibility for our development and enhancement.

(This paper appeared in Black Child Journal)

Asa G. Hilliard Ed. D is Fuller E. Calloway Professor of Education, Georgia State University and a noted psychologist and historian. Luisa Martin is from Limon, Costa Rica and in her final candidacy for Ph. D in Political Science at Clark Atlanta University.

DAK

London, UK

#4 Jul 15, 2009
Sentiments are one thing but reality of medernisation and education are another. So to you the Baganda are the only nation in Uganda and other are tribes, etc!

You also tried to equate Bagandan Christians to Jewish traditions, which are rooted for the past 3,000 plus years.

You are wrongly insinuating that only Baganda are special and not the ohters in Uganda. You also wrongly insiuating think that Baganda have suffered the most in Uganda from the political and military misrule and events generated by the successive regimes.

Read my previous e-mail which blames the same attitude in large dose to start matters off in the wrong direction in 1961.

Cause and effect! Understand! Colonialism was not fault of the colonised but then there were subsidiary benefits of development to those who seized developing matters such as railways,etc.

I bet many rightwing ultras think like you do amongst many tribes and even nationalities. Who are you to tell me to check up on my orgins? Go and tell that to immigrants all over the world.
Then why are you staying in Greece when the fertile land of Uganda...oh, sorry...Buganda waits for your "positive" input?

I am African by birth and formative residence, European (British) by citizenship and residence, Indian by cultural origin and a citizen of the world. And I am comfotable with that but still I feel for Uganda and good and honest Ugandans who hopefully remedy the errors, and not repeat them. QED

DAK

London, UK

#5 Jul 15, 2009
Sentiments are one thing but reality of modernisation and education are another. So to you the Baganda are the only nation in Uganda and other are tribes, etc!

You also tried to equate Bugandan Christians to the Jewish traditions which are rooted for the past 3,000 plus years.

You are wrongly insinuating that only Baganda are special and not the others in Uganda. You also wrongly insinuating that Bugandans have suffered the most in Uganda from the political and military misrule and the events generated by the successive regimes.

Read my previous e-mail which blames the same attitude like yours in large dose to start the matters off in wrong direction way back in 1961/62.

Cause and effect! Understand! Colonialism was not fault of the colonised but then there were subsidiary benefits of development to those who seized developing matters such as railways,etc.

I bet many rightwing ultras think like you do amongst many tribes and even nationalities. Who are you to tell me to check up on my countries of orgins? Go and tell that to the long settled immigrants all over the world.
Then why are you staying in Greece when the fertile land of Uganda...oh, sorry...Buganda awaits your "positive" input?

I am an African by birth and formative residence, European (British) by citizenship and residence, Indian by cultural origin and a citizen of the world. And I am comfortable with that. Still, I feel for Uganda and for good and honest Ugandans who will hopefully remedy the errors, and not repeat them. QED
DAK

London, UK

#6 Jul 15, 2009
topix , please remove 4, which had some spellos.
Meli

Athens, Greece

#8 Jul 16, 2009
DAK wrote:
topix , please remove 4, which had some spellos.
Remove that whole thing please and the one before it, they are both offtopic and nosensical. Personal histories of some very uninteresting people are a tragic waste of space.

thanks.
Glasnos

Apopka, FL

#9 Jul 16, 2009
At last Obama speaks to something he knows a something about.
DAK

London, UK

#10 Jul 16, 2009
Meli wrote:
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Remove that whole thing please and the one before it, they are both offtopic and nosensical. Personal histories of some very uninteresting people are a tragic waste of space.
thanks.
Mell, you are being personal, not me. Most (90%)of Indians residing now in Uganda have no connection with those who resided pre-Amin. so, these are allowed in not by the colonialists.
DAK

London, UK

#11 Jul 16, 2009
Glasnos wrote:
At last Obama speaks to something he knows a something about.
Obama realises that tribaal loyalities are at the root of power struggle and of direct and indirect looting of the national treasuries in many African countries. His early visit to meet his blood grandma was then educational in itself.
Kotecha

Portsmouth, UK

#12 Jul 16, 2009
DAK wrote:
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Mell, you are being personal, not me. Most (90%)of Indians residing now in Uganda have no connection with those who resided pre-Amin. so, these are allowed in not by the colonialists.
DAK, Perhaps you should stop wasting your time with this Meli person. Little does he/she know that 98% of Indians in Uganda at present are from India. The Africans know that they just cannot do without their business acumen.

I know at least 3 Africans who employ only Indians in key positions in their businesses especially when it comes to handling cash.
DAK

London, UK

#13 Jul 16, 2009
Kotecha wrote:
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DAK, Perhaps you should stop wasting your time with this Meli person. Little does he/she know that 98% of Indians in Uganda at present are from India. The Africans know that they just cannot do without their business acumen.
I know at least 3 Africans who employ only Indians in key positions in their businesses especially when it comes to handling cash.
I know but I have noticed that views and sentiments are representative of vast numbers of mostly Anglican Bugandans. Even the otherwise sensible and successful Kizito believes that monarchy and succession are still the answer for betterment of Baganda.
DAK

London, UK

#14 Jul 16, 2009
Meli wrote:
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Remove that whole thing please and the one before it, they are both offtopic and nosensical. Personal histories of some very uninteresting people are a tragic waste of space.
thanks.
So you were trying to make Baganda interesting by comparing their history with that of the Jewish poeple? What I say will make sense to those who knows something about wisdom. There is no personal history here but a response to what you said about me. I never claimed that my reading was retricted to the matters of the UK and India!
DAK

London, UK

#15 Jul 16, 2009
Kotecha wrote:
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DAK, Perhaps you should stop wasting your time with this Meli person. Little does he/she know that 98% of Indians in Uganda at present are from India. The Africans know that they just cannot do without their business acumen.
I know at least 3 Africans who employ only Indians in key positions in their businesses especially when it comes to handling cash.
Kawalya Kaggwa, one of the most prominenet Baganda busuinessman in colonial times used to employ "indian" accountants way back in early 50s.
Meli

Athens, Greece

#16 Jul 16, 2009
Kotecha wrote:
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DAK, Perhaps you should stop wasting your time with this Meli person. Little does he/she know that 98% of Indians in Uganda at present are from India. The Africans know that they just cannot do without their business acumen.
I know at least 3 Africans who employ only Indians in key positions in their businesses especially when it comes to handling cash.
I would be very honoured, if you - Kotecha boy, would mind your business without mentioning my name. Thanks for nothing.
Meli

Athens, Greece

#17 Jul 16, 2009
DAK wrote:
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Kawalya Kaggwa, one of the most prominenet Baganda busuinessman in colonial times used to employ "indian" accountants way back in early 50s.
Go sue their families for employing Indians - Immigrants from hell. I am on your side on that one.
Kotecha

Portsmouth, UK

#18 Jul 16, 2009
Meli wrote:
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I would be very honoured, if you - Kotecha boy, would mind your business without mentioning my name. Thanks for nothing.
Why? Are you an illegal Kyeyo hiding in Greece? If indeed you are in Greece!!
Meli

Athens, Greece

#19 Jul 16, 2009
DAK wrote:
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So you were trying to make Baganda interesting by comparing their history with that of the Jewish poeple? What I say will make sense to those who knows something about wisdom. There is no personal history here but a response to what you said about me. I never claimed that my reading was retricted to the matters of the UK and India!
If you have any problems with the Jews, you can stand on your own as a man ( if you are one) and address your problems. Stop dragging me or the Baganda into your(personal or group) issues with them. You keep dragging about a comment I made in a thread about things that happened between Jews and the Baganda. I didn't start that thread, I only made a comment. If you think whoever started that thread was trying to make Buganda interesting, well, why not go to that thread and give them a piece of your mind? The rest of what you say about that topic is in plain English -utter rubbish. Try to get your thoughts in order, you sound old enough for it.

I will tell you again what is evident in your's and Kotecha's words, lots of pain and hatred, that you don't seem capable to control anymore. The worst part? The world don't give a damn. People have a right to living their lives like they wish, when in their territories and as long as they are not breaking any laws. Get used to that, otherwise you are going to end you pathetic lives trying to stop the unstoppable, becoming more evil by the minute.
DAK

London, UK

#20 Jul 16, 2009
Meli wrote:
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Go sue their families for employing Indians - Immigrants from hell. I am on your side on that one.
Waht a stupid comment. why should I sue? Sir Kawlaya Kaggwa was a highly intelligent man and did what was in his best interest. Yiou still do not get it!
DAK

London, UK

#21 Jul 16, 2009
Meli wrote:
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If you have any problems with the Jews, you can stand on your own as a man ( if you are one) and address your problems. Stop dragging me or the Baganda into your(personal or group) issues with them. You keep dragging about a comment I made in a thread about things that happened between Jews and the Baganda. I didn't start that thread, I only made a comment. If you think whoever started that thread was trying to make Buganda interesting, well, why not go to that thread and give them a piece of your mind? The rest of what you say about that topic is in plain English -utter rubbish. Try to get your thoughts in order, you sound old enough for it.
I will tell you again what is evident in your's and Kotecha's words, lots of pain and hatred, that you don't seem capable to control anymore. The worst part? The world don't give a damn. People have a right to living their lives like they wish, when in their territories and as long as they are not breaking any laws. Get used to that, otherwise you are going to end you pathetic lives trying to stop the unstoppable, becoming more evil by the minute.
This is what one can term as non-sensical!

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